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PostPosted: Sun Feb 28, 2021 5:51 pm
by Neutraligon
Greater Miami Shores wrote:
Neutraligon wrote:The issue is mainly in the difficulty and cost in getting an ID. If all legal voters could easily get an ID for free in a timely manner there would be no issue, unfortunately they can't. It takes time, money and transportation to get an ID. The people least likely to be able to get an ID are poor African Americans.

NS Batman, I think the cost of a voter Id cant be to expensive $ to afford $?

I think most Black African Americans have cars and can afford to ride busses? The governments of many or all states and counties Provide free Bus Passes for many persons, elderly persons, handicapped persons, and I think and hope for lower income persons of all races and ethnic groups?

It can be for people who are living pay check to paycheck. It isn't just the bus ride that is the issue. Because of the hours of the DMV (where people get ids) it normally means a person must take off from work, pay to get to a location, and many dmvs are not in easy to reach areas, sit for hours, and then go home. No there are not always free bus passes for lower income persons.

PostPosted: Sun Feb 28, 2021 5:56 pm
by The Black Forrest
Greater Miami Shores wrote:RNC Chair Says GOP 'Overwhelmingly' Backs Trump WH Stint

A few excerpts:
"The voters are saying overwhelmingly they agree with what President Trump did in office,"


Oh they support the attack on the capitol? I guess you do as well since you talk about speaking for them.

McDaniel said. "As you see Joe Biden strip away energy independence and cancel the Keystone pipeline, as you see Joe Biden say, I'm going to prioritize opening our borders over opening our schools, opening our economies.


That is a lie. It’s what republicans do these days. Keystone would not have granted energy independence. It was have mainly benefited a few.

I strongly agree, we need to open our economy, while following all the necessary health guidelines like, wearing the masks I hate to wear but wear. We need to use the hand sanitizers and watch our hands as much as possible, and social distance at work, gas stations, grocery stores and merchandise stores.


Wow you are going against the ex-president? :shock: He only supported opening the economy.

I strongly support the USA, Canada, Key Stone oil Pipeline restoration deal with the government of Canada. I think President Trump would restore the pipeline deal if he runs for President in 2024 and wins the Republican Primary and the General Election.

If President Trump runs again and wins the general election of 2024, I think he would restore the legal and illegal immigration deal with the government of Mexico.

There are many more interesting points on this link to share and discuss our views and opinions. I have been watching President Trump at the Conservative Political Action Committee speak, and his speech is Awesome, strong and powerful.


He is a rather weak speaker as he is a one trick pony. A powerful speaker can sway the opposition. The ex-president can’t. He only preaches to the choir.

I hope and trust we can share and discuss our different views and opinions on these issues in the link I have provided on this post and thread, on Republican President Donald J Trump of the USA.


You have offered the republican talking points. You have never offered a serious argument on an issue.

It is an America custom to refer to all Presidents as Presidents:

https://www.newsmax.com/politics/rnc-mc ... d/1011839/


He is the ex-president. He will be known as Prisoner (some number) some day.

PostPosted: Sun Feb 28, 2021 6:06 pm
by The United Confederacy of Texas
The Black Forrest wrote:-snip-

Just remember that GMS outright said he expects Trump to come back to power via a coup d'etat.

PostPosted: Sun Feb 28, 2021 6:07 pm
by Celritannia
The United Confederacy of Texas wrote:
The Black Forrest wrote:-snip-

Just remember that GMS outright said he expects Trump to come back to power via a coup d'etat.


Because GMS does not like democracy.

PostPosted: Sun Feb 28, 2021 6:29 pm
by Kowani

PostPosted: Sun Feb 28, 2021 6:31 pm
by Atheris

PostPosted: Sun Feb 28, 2021 6:39 pm
by Xanthal

Until plurality voting goes away, any third party that amasses a significant portion of the vote will either be rolled into one of the existing two major parties or replace it within a few election cycles.

PostPosted: Sun Feb 28, 2021 6:40 pm
by San Lumen
Xanthal wrote:
Atheris wrote:Won't go anywhere, but I hope it does.

Until plurality voting goes away, any third party that amasses a significant portion of the vote will either be rolled into one of the existing two major parties or replace it within a few election cycles.

Anything that keeps Republicans out of power is a good thing.

PostPosted: Sun Feb 28, 2021 6:41 pm
by Kowani
San Lumen wrote:
Xanthal wrote:Until plurality voting goes away, any third party that amasses a significant portion of the vote will either be rolled into one of the existing two major parties or replace it within a few election cycles.

Anything that keeps Republicans out of power is a good thing.

it won't

PostPosted: Sun Feb 28, 2021 6:42 pm
by Xanthal
San Lumen wrote:
Xanthal wrote:Until plurality voting goes away, any third party that amasses a significant portion of the vote will either be rolled into one of the existing two major parties or replace it within a few election cycles.

Anything that keeps Republicans out of power is a good thing.

I prefer the Democrats myself, but it's not healthy for any party to go without serious electoral competition.

PostPosted: Sun Feb 28, 2021 6:45 pm
by Greater Miami Shores
Neutraligon wrote:
Greater Miami Shores wrote:NS Batman, I think the cost of a voter Id cant be to expensive $ to afford $?

I think most Black African Americans have cars and can afford to ride busses? The governments of many or all states and counties Provide free Bus Passes for many persons, elderly persons, handicapped persons, and I think and hope for lower income persons of all races and ethnic groups?

It can be for people who are living pay check to paycheck. It isn't just the bus ride that is the issue. Because of the hours of the DMV (where people get ids) it normally means a person must take off from work, pay to get to a location, and many dmvs are not in easy to reach areas, sit for hours, and then go home. No there are not always free bus passes for lower income persons.

All persons except homeless persons living on the streets, of all races and ethnic groups rich and poor, live in a house, apartment building or trailer home, pay rent, pay mortgages, buy food, buy beer, buy sodas, buy pastries, buy clothes, buy shoes, good to schools mainly if they are kids, I think Black African American Citizens, rich, middle class, working class and poor lower income persons do all these things to whatever degree they do them, I know Florida in Miami Dade County provides free bus passes and reduced bus pass prices, to students, the elderly, handicapped persons and lower income persons, so they can buy a bus pass, on a yearly basis.

Currently in Miami Dade county the bus service is free of charge for Black African American Citizens, Hispanics, Hawaiian-Pacific Islanders, Asians, Euro Americans and what ever s due to the virus crisis.

PostPosted: Sun Feb 28, 2021 6:47 pm
by Kowani

PostPosted: Sun Feb 28, 2021 6:49 pm
by Neutraligon
Greater Miami Shores wrote:
Neutraligon wrote:It can be for people who are living pay check to paycheck. It isn't just the bus ride that is the issue. Because of the hours of the DMV (where people get ids) it normally means a person must take off from work, pay to get to a location, and many dmvs are not in easy to reach areas, sit for hours, and then go home. No there are not always free bus passes for lower income persons.

All persons except homeless persons living on the streets, of all races and ethnic groups rich and poor, live in a houses or apartment building or trailer home, pay rent, pay mortgages, buy food, buy beer, buy sodas, buy pastries, buy clothes, buy shoes, good to schools mainly if they are kids, I think Black African American Citizens, rich, middle class, working class and poor lower income persons do all these things to whatever degree they do them, I know Florida in Miami Dade County provides free bus passes and reduced bus pass prices, to students, the elderly, handicapped persons and lower income persons, so they can buy a bus pass, on a yearly basis.

Currently in Miami Dade county the bus service is free of charge for Black African American Citizens, Hispanics, Hawaiian-Pacific Islanders, Euro Americans and what ever s.


Yes they pay rent, which they can barely afford, buy food with WIC stamps and hope it will be enough, get second or third hand clothes when they need to since their stuff is falling apart, go to school if kids because they are required to, do not buy soda or beer since WIC does not cover either. And they still barely make ends meet. Miami Dade is not the rest of the country.

PostPosted: Sun Feb 28, 2021 6:52 pm
by Umeria
Greater Miami Shores wrote:All persons except homeless persons living on the streets

Should homeless people be allowed to vote?


This does absolutely nothing unless the taxes are higher than the cost of paying their workers a living wage.

PostPosted: Sun Feb 28, 2021 6:53 pm
by Galloism
Neutraligon wrote:
Greater Miami Shores wrote:NS Batman, I think the cost of a voter Id cant be to expensive $ to afford $?

I think most Black African Americans have cars and can afford to ride busses? The governments of many or all states and counties Provide free Bus Passes for many persons, elderly persons, handicapped persons, and I think and hope for lower income persons of all races and ethnic groups?

It can be for people who are living pay check to paycheck. It isn't just the bus ride that is the issue. Because of the hours of the DMV (where people get ids) it normally means a person must take off from work, pay to get to a location, and many dmvs are not in easy to reach areas, sit for hours, and then go home. No there are not always free bus passes for lower income persons.

I mean, my license is over $100, but I have lots of endorsements and stuff. Plus take off work to go to the DMV and all that.

PostPosted: Sun Feb 28, 2021 6:55 pm
by Galloism
Greater Miami Shores wrote:
Neutraligon wrote:It can be for people who are living pay check to paycheck. It isn't just the bus ride that is the issue. Because of the hours of the DMV (where people get ids) it normally means a person must take off from work, pay to get to a location, and many dmvs are not in easy to reach areas, sit for hours, and then go home. No there are not always free bus passes for lower income persons.

All persons except homeless persons living on the streets, of all races and ethnic groups rich and poor, live in a house, apartment building or trailer home, pay rent, pay mortgages, buy food, buy beer, buy sodas, buy pastries, buy clothes, buy shoes, good to schools mainly if they are kids, I think Black African American Citizens, rich, middle class, working class and poor lower income persons do all these things to whatever degree they do them, I know Florida in Miami Dade County provides free bus passes and reduced bus pass prices, to students, the elderly, handicapped persons and lower income persons, so they can buy a bus pass, on a yearly basis.

Currently in Miami Dade county the bus service is free of charge for Black African American Citizens, Hispanics, Hawaiian-Pacific Islanders, Asians, Euro Americans and what ever s due to the virus crisis.

Tbh, I’ve never been carded for sodas, pastries, clothes, or shoes.

I rarely get carded for beer. Maybe every other year or so.

You don’t really know how it works as far as rent. There’s quite a few people who live in extended families - and only one person, the actual renter, has ID.

PostPosted: Sun Feb 28, 2021 6:56 pm
by Kowani
Umeria wrote:
Greater Miami Shores wrote:All persons except homeless persons living on the streets

Should homeless people be allowed to vote?


This does absolutely nothing unless the taxes are higher than the cost of paying their workers a living wage.

you know how megacorporations will shell out tens of thousands in legal fees to avoid paying small injury compensation suits? it's the same principle here
it's not about money
it's about power

or it would be, if the plan hadn't been scrapped

PostPosted: Sun Feb 28, 2021 6:57 pm
by Sundiata
Umeria wrote:Should homeless people be allowed to vote?

We should be housing the homeless.

PostPosted: Sun Feb 28, 2021 7:02 pm
by Greater Miami Shores
Neutraligon wrote:
Greater Miami Shores wrote:All persons except homeless persons living on the streets, of all races and ethnic groups rich and poor, live in a houses or apartment building or trailer home, pay rent, pay mortgages, buy food, buy beer, buy sodas, buy pastries, buy clothes, buy shoes, good to schools mainly if they are kids, I think Black African American Citizens, rich, middle class, working class and poor lower income persons do all these things to whatever degree they do them, I know Florida in Miami Dade County provides free bus passes and reduced bus pass prices, to students, the elderly, handicapped persons and lower income persons, so they can buy a bus pass, on a yearly basis.

Currently in Miami Dade county the bus service is free of charge for Black African American Citizens, Hispanics, Hawaiian-Pacific Islanders, Euro Americans and what ever s.


Yes they pay rent, which they can barely afford, buy food with WIC stamps and hope it will be enough, get second or third hand clothes when they need to since their stuff is falling apart, go to school if kids because they are required to, do not buy soda or beer since WIC does not cover either. And they still barely make ends meet. Miami Dade is not the rest of the country.

The main point is all these types of persons are not homeless persons living on the streets. They have a roof over their head, they have clothes they need to buy to dress, they have shoes they need to buy to walk comfortably, no matter how poor they are they do all these things on my post above, I forgot to add on my post above, Black African American Churches and many if not all churches provide food, clothes, shoes and goods to lower income persons, of all races and ethnic groups. There are many non profit organizations providing these services and medical services as well to all races and ethnic groups, Including Black African American Citizens, they make room to buy a bus pass on a yearly basis to buy a voter ID, if they wish to do so, they can make room for any anything if they wish too, and they do make rooms for anything they wish too, on my this post and on my post above if they wish too.

PostPosted: Sun Feb 28, 2021 7:05 pm
by Kannap


Can't do anything that would harm their corporate overlords, ought to keep the American populace poor instead.

PostPosted: Sun Feb 28, 2021 7:06 pm
by Umeria
Kowani wrote:or it would be, if the plan hadn't been scrapped

So much for getting things done by finding a middle ground.

Greater Miami Shores wrote:The main point is all these types of persons are not homeless persons living on the streets. They have a roof over their head, they have clothes they need to buy to dress, they have shoes they need to buy to walk comfortably, no matter how poor they are they do all these things on my post above, I forgot to add on my post above, Black African American Churches and many if not all churches provide food, clothes, shoes and goods to lower income persons, of all races and ethnic groups. There are many non profit organizations providing these services and medical services as well to all races and ethnic groups, Including Black African American Citizens.

Are you saying poor people don't exist?

PostPosted: Sun Feb 28, 2021 7:07 pm
by Borderlands of Rojava


Of course they did. The corporations are where the party gets its money from and everyone knows it.

PostPosted: Sun Feb 28, 2021 7:08 pm
by Galloism
Borderlands of Rojava wrote:


Of course they did. The corporations are where the party gets its money from and everyone knows it.

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 28, 2021 7:17 pm
by Greater Miami Shores
Umeria wrote:
Kowani wrote:or it would be, if the plan hadn't been scrapped

So much for getting things done by finding a middle ground.

Greater Miami Shores wrote:The main point is all these types of persons are not homeless persons living on the streets. They have a roof over their head, they have clothes they need to buy to dress, they have shoes they need to buy to walk comfortably, no matter how poor they are they do all these things on my post above, I forgot to add on my post above, Black African American Churches and many if not all churches provide food, clothes, shoes and goods to lower income persons, of all races and ethnic groups. There are many non profit organizations providing these services and medical services as well to all races and ethnic groups, Including Black African American Citizens.

Are you saying poor people don't exist?

I know my English not very good :) lol, but please re read my posts based on the contexts of my posts?

PostPosted: Sun Feb 28, 2021 7:20 pm
by Kowani