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Postby Thermodolia » Fri Feb 26, 2021 10:33 am

Esalia wrote:
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Good luck. No one is above the law or beyond the courts.


If you have enough power you are absolutely beyond the courts.

I don't see why poor people shouldn't rally together and give themselves enough power to do what rich people have been doing since forever.

Vive la revolution? Vive la revolution!!!
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Postby Thermodolia » Fri Feb 26, 2021 10:37 am

Senkaku wrote:
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Maybe not, but I don't think violence or mob rule would be very helpful at making things better.

...what exactly do you imagine is going to happen if we just (try to) turn almost 20 million people out of their homes?

Revolutions where started over less
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Postby Omniabstracta » Fri Feb 26, 2021 10:38 am

Where does one even get a giant golden Trump statue?
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Postby Thermodolia » Fri Feb 26, 2021 10:39 am

Bienenhalde wrote:
Senkaku wrote:You're suggesting we should build homeless shelters for upwards of ten million people between now and when the moratorium runs out/possibly gets struck down/whatever's happening?


It would be better than having a violent revolution or having to freeze to death or get covid.

Dude you’re going to have a revolution on your hands if you attempt that. The best course of action is telling the landlords to stuff it and get the government to pay them back lost revenue
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Postby Andsed » Fri Feb 26, 2021 10:41 am

Diahon wrote:so apparently cpac has started and ted cruz is joking about cancun and chiding aoc for being scared for her life on january 6

i cannot with these people

Honestly do people really think that if those rioters encountered AOC they would not try to attack her? Cause like AOC is pretty hated in those circles.
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Postby Page » Fri Feb 26, 2021 10:41 am

Bienenhalde wrote:
Senkaku wrote:You're suggesting we should build homeless shelters for upwards of ten million people between now and when the moratorium runs out/possibly gets struck down/whatever's happening?


It would be better than having a violent revolution or having to freeze to death or get covid.


The revolution won't be violent if the owning class doesn't resist. If they do, it's on them.
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Postby Kowani » Fri Feb 26, 2021 10:47 am

Andsed wrote:
Diahon wrote:so apparently cpac has started and ted cruz is joking about cancun and chiding aoc for being scared for her life on january 6

i cannot with these people

Honestly do people really think that if those rioters encountered AOC they would not try to attack her? Cause like AOC is pretty hated in those circles.

Most of them would celebrate
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Postby Thermodolia » Fri Feb 26, 2021 10:48 am

Thermodolia wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
Good luck. No one is above the law or beyond the courts.

Dude the South Dakota DA is literally running free after having killed a human with his car. The elite are above the law not us peons.

Also this DA hit and killed this man, who was walking down the road, back in September and covered it up. He killed a man in September and still hasn’t been arrested
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Postby Dresderstan » Fri Feb 26, 2021 10:53 am

Thermodolia wrote:
Esalia wrote:
If you have enough power you are absolutely beyond the courts.

I don't see why poor people shouldn't rally together and give themselves enough power to do what rich people have been doing since forever.

Vive la revolution? Vive la revolution!!!

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Postby The Black Forrest » Fri Feb 26, 2021 11:00 am

Punished UMN wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
What are you suggesting?

That the public simply doesn't let landlords put them out on the street to die.


The problem isn’t the landlords; it’s the lenders. Maybe it’s time for pandemic “laws”. Basically; debt collection is on hold. You can charge a nominal fee/fine and thats it. Banks are running likes it’s business as usual and everybody else isn’t.
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Postby Genivaria » Fri Feb 26, 2021 11:10 am

One of my favorite memes about the Biden Administration so far.
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Postby Thermodolia » Fri Feb 26, 2021 11:12 am

Genivaria wrote:One of my favorite memes about the Biden Administration so far.
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So when are we invading Iranaqmar?
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Postby Ostroeuropa » Fri Feb 26, 2021 11:14 am

A very dear friend of mine is very upset over the proposed minimum wage increase.

She has previously negotiated a pay cut with her boss to remain under the cut off point for state aid and the proposed increase will take her above it and force her to pay for her own health insurance (Which she absolutely, desperately needs, but would be laughably expensive for her to cover on her own), resulting in her having to quit her job.

This is something that should really have been addressed simultaneously through welfare reforms akin to the ones discussed in the UK Cameron government (though ideally not implemented as poorly). (I.E, "Work should always pay" and tapering off state aid incrementally).

She supports the increase in principle but her life is basically going to get ridiculously more difficult as a result of it and It strikes me that she's probably not alone. There are probably people for whom the wage increase is absolutely not worth being pushed above the state aid cutoff point.
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Postby Fartsniffage » Fri Feb 26, 2021 11:14 am

Omniabstracta wrote:Where does one even get a giant golden Trump statue?


You simply ask Donald if you can borrow one of his.

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Postby Greater Miami Shores » Fri Feb 26, 2021 11:14 am

Diahon wrote:so apparently cpac has started and ted cruz is joking about cancun and chiding aoc for being scared for her life on january 6

i cannot with these people

You would be surprised what many right wingers say about leftists in American terms, they are very similar, but based on different opinions. I know this from reading and posting on right wing news sites. We also post to leftists in American terms.
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Postby The Greater Ohio Valley » Fri Feb 26, 2021 11:17 am

Ostroeuropa wrote:A very dear friend of mine is very upset over the proposed minimum wage increase.

She has previously negotiated a pay cut with her boss to remain under the cut off point for state aid and the proposed increase will take her above it and force her to pay for her own health insurance (Which she absolutely, desperately needs, but would be laughably expensive for her to cover on her own), resulting in her having to quit her job.

This is something that should really have been addressed simultaneously through welfare reforms akin to the ones discussed in the UK Cameron government (though ideally not implemented as poorly). (I.E, "Work should always pay" and tapering off state aid incrementally).

She supports the increase in principle but her life is basically going to get ridiculously more difficult as a result of it and It strikes me that she's probably not alone. There are probably people for whom the wage increase is absolutely not worth being pushed above the state aid cutoff point.

Another good reason why this country needs universal healthcare.
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Postby The Black Forrest » Fri Feb 26, 2021 11:21 am

Greater Miami Shores wrote:
Diahon wrote:so apparently cpac has started and ted cruz is joking about cancun and chiding aoc for being scared for her life on january 6

i cannot with these people

You would be surprised what many right wingers say about leftists in American terms, they are very similar, but based on different opinions. I know this from reading and posting on right wing news sites. We also post to leftists in American terms.


Not sure what your point is.
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* I felt like Ayn Rand cornered me at a party, and three minutes in I found my first objection to what she was saying, but she kept talking without interruption for ten more days. - Max Barry talking about Atlas Shrugged

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God I fucking love CPAC. It makes furry conventions somehow look normal by comparison.

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Postby Loeje » Fri Feb 26, 2021 11:25 am

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Postby Ostroeuropa » Fri Feb 26, 2021 11:27 am

The Greater Ohio Valley wrote:
Ostroeuropa wrote:A very dear friend of mine is very upset over the proposed minimum wage increase.

She has previously negotiated a pay cut with her boss to remain under the cut off point for state aid and the proposed increase will take her above it and force her to pay for her own health insurance (Which she absolutely, desperately needs, but would be laughably expensive for her to cover on her own), resulting in her having to quit her job.

This is something that should really have been addressed simultaneously through welfare reforms akin to the ones discussed in the UK Cameron government (though ideally not implemented as poorly). (I.E, "Work should always pay" and tapering off state aid incrementally).

She supports the increase in principle but her life is basically going to get ridiculously more difficult as a result of it and It strikes me that she's probably not alone. There are probably people for whom the wage increase is absolutely not worth being pushed above the state aid cutoff point.

Another good reason why this country needs universal healthcare.


Absolutely. It's an example of how left wing reforms need to be systemic in order to be sensible.

You either need right wing cameronite welfare reform to prevent this shit, or universal healthcare. Otherwise the minimum wage rise is going to fuck over thousands of people.
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Postby Kowani » Fri Feb 26, 2021 11:27 am

In a totally unforeseen twist, the US found that Prince bin Salman ordered Kashoggi’s murder

I’ll link the report itself as soon as the site decides
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