American Politics IV: 1400 Reasons Why(A Stimulus Serial)

[Esalia]

Ignore the court and not enforce the ruling, or have the government step in and pay the rent in their stead.

There's two.

Or we can, y'know, stop commodifying basic housing and putting people at risk of homelessness because a pandemic swept through and the government seems chronically unwilling to properly help the poorest. Or not declare an eviction moratorium unconstitutional in the middle of a pandemic where people can be pretty strapped for cash.

and the CDC will be fined and jailed like Kim Davis was and they would deserve it.

Deserve it?

The only people who deserve anything are the people who fought to strike down the moratorium, and they deserve to have their ruling laughed at and ignored because helping the poor is more important than obeying one court decision made by a court system that has been repeatedly ignored in the past.

[Esalia]

That you're too scrupulous about the rule of law to support the people's struggle against the power of the landlord class isn't any of my concern. If they don't want a rebellion, they shouldn't make the poor suffer.

Alright then when their is full on unrest like you've never seen before and people are getting shot or injured by the police left and right you won't be singing the same tune.

Once again, if the consequences of a homelessness crisis is so great, perhaps try not starting a homelessness crisis.

[Borderlands of Rojava]

Don't care about the Supreme Court, I care about the welfare of the people, and if the Supreme Court is an enemy of the welfare of the people, then they are the enemy.

Ok. Anytime a court does something you disagree with defy it. The court was wrong to jail Davis and should have just let her do what she wanted.

Are you really comparing someone not signing marriage licenses to families being thrown out on the freezing cold streets? Seriously Lumen do you really think those things are equivalent?

[San Lumen]

and the CDC will be fined and jailed like Kim Davis was and they would deserve it.

Deserve it?

The only people who deserve anything are the people who fought to strike down the moratorium, and they deserve to have their ruling laughed at and ignored because helping the poor is more important than obeying one court decision made by a court system that has been repeatedly ignored in the past.

No they do not. The court rules that is the end of it and if the CDC decided to ignore it they ought to be fined and jailed for contempt like Davis was.

[Punished UMN]

Don't care about the Supreme Court, I care about the welfare of the people, and if the Supreme Court is an enemy of the welfare of the people, then they are the enemy.

Ok. Anytime a court does something you disagree with defy it. The court was wrong to jail Davis and should have just let her do what she wanted.

Courts said slavery and the Holocaust were okay too.

[Washington Resistance Army]

Deserve it?

The only people who deserve anything are the people who fought to strike down the moratorium, and they deserve to have their ruling laughed at and ignored because helping the poor is more important than obeying one court decision made by a court system that has been repeatedly ignored in the past.

No they do not. The court rules that is the end of it and if the CDC decided to ignore it they ought to be fined and jailed for contempt like Davis was.

I'd be willing to show up armed to defend the CDC from that tbh

[Picairn]

Ok. Anytime a court does something you disagree with defy it. The court was wrong to jail Davis and should have just let her do what she wanted.

Courts ultimately derive power from the Constitution and the people. My idea is to nullify shit rulings in peace. Otherwise, the people may revolt under judicial tyranny.

[San Lumen]

No they do not. The court rules that is the end of it and if the CDC decided to ignore it they ought to be fined and jailed for contempt like Davis was.

I'd be willing to show up armed to defend the CDC from that tbh

Good luck. No one is above the law or beyond the courts.

[Punished UMN]

Ok. Anytime a court does something you disagree with defy it. The court was wrong to jail Davis and should have just let her do what she wanted.

Courts ultimately derive power from the Constitution and the people. My idea is to nullify shit rulings in peace. Otherwise, the people may revolt under judicial tyranny.

^This, the court are a panel of unelected legal scholars, they shouldn't be able to defy the will of the people.

[Washington Resistance Army]

I'd be willing to show up armed to defend the CDC from that tbh

Good luck. No one is above the law or beyond the courts.

A huge amount of people are above the law, what world do you live in lmao. How many people got punished for crashing the economy in 2008?

[Borderlands of Rojava]

No they do not. The court rules that is the end of it and if the CDC decided to ignore it they ought to be fined and jailed for contempt like Davis was.

I'd be willing to show up armed to defend the CDC from that tbh

I would fully support a crowd of people standing between San lumens hypothetical police and the CDC. Please hypothetical San lumen police, don't give the peaceful crowd a reason to stop being peaceful and just back off.

[Punished UMN]

I'd be willing to show up armed to defend the CDC from that tbh

Good luck. No one is above the law or beyond the courts.

Tell that to Lincoln and Jackson.

[San Lumen]

Courts ultimately derive power from the Constitution and the people. My idea is to nullify shit rulings in peace. Otherwise, the people may revolt under judicial tyranny.

^This, the court are a panel of unelected legal scholars, they shouldn't be able to defy the will of the people.

That's not the point of the judiciary. Judges should not be concerned with public opinion.

[Borderlands of Rojava]

I'd be willing to show up armed to defend the CDC from that tbh

Good luck. No one is above the law or beyond the courts.

Hahahahahahahahhahahaaha bro do you not live in America like me? Cops and rich people are above the law as are many American war criminals.

[Esalia]

Deserve it?

The only people who deserve anything are the people who fought to strike down the moratorium, and they deserve to have their ruling laughed at and ignored because helping the poor is more important than obeying one court decision made by a court system that has been repeatedly ignored in the past.

No they do not.

If a legal system is unjust, it absolutely deserves to be ignored.

I don't see anything more unjust than repealing the one thing keeping a metric fuckton of people away from homelessness.

The court rules that is the end of it and if the CDC decided to ignore it they ought to be fined and jailed for contempt like Davis was.

The court ruled that segregation was okay.

I guess all the people who resisted segregation and opposed the rulings holding it up should've just bent over and taken it instead of fighting for the people who needed help.

You may love the court system so much you're willing to allow a ton of people to suffer just so your precious courts don't get ignored, but frankly there's more important things than that.

[Picairn]

Good luck. No one is above the law or beyond the courts.

> No one is beyond the courts.

This is legalist tyranny. I won't stand for such an odious ideal. The people dictate the government, not the other way around.

[Punished UMN]

^This, the court are a panel of unelected legal scholars, they shouldn't be able to defy the will of the people.

That's not the point of the judiciary.

It doesn't matter if it's the point, it's what they are doing. The court shouldn't get to hide behind the fake mask of "judicial impartiality" when they are making decisions against the will of the people that harm them grievously.

[Esalia]

I'd be willing to show up armed to defend the CDC from that tbh

Good luck. No one is above the law or beyond the courts.

If you have enough power you are absolutely beyond the courts.

I don't see why poor people shouldn't rally together and give themselves enough power to do what rich people have been doing since forever.

[San Lumen]

No they do not.

If a legal system is unjust, it absolutely deserves to be ignored.

I don't see anything more unjust than repealing the one thing keeping a metric fuckton of people away from homelessness.

The court rules that is the end of it and if the CDC decided to ignore it they ought to be fined and jailed for contempt like Davis was.

The court ruled that segregation was okay.

I guess all the people who resisted segregation and opposed the rulings holding it up should've just bent over and taken it instead of fighting for the people who needed help.

You may love the court system so much you're willing to allow a ton of people to suffer just so your precious courts don't get ignored, but frankly there's more important things than that.

Those people were not defying a court. They were defying discriminatory and unjust laws.

ever hear of the Civil Rights act and Brown and Loving decision?

[Punished UMN]

If a legal system is unjust, it absolutely deserves to be ignored.

I don't see anything more unjust than repealing the one thing keeping a metric fuckton of people away from homelessness.



The court ruled that segregation was okay.

I guess all the people who resisted segregation and opposed the rulings holding it up should've just bent over and taken it instead of fighting for the people who needed help.

You may love the court system so much you're willing to allow a ton of people to suffer just so your precious courts don't get ignored, but frankly there's more important things than that.

Those people were not defying a court. They were defying discriminatory and unjust laws.

ever hear of the Civil Rights act and Brown and Loving decision?

Laws which were upheld by the court at the time.

[Borderlands of Rojava]

If a legal system is unjust, it absolutely deserves to be ignored.

I don't see anything more unjust than repealing the one thing keeping a metric fuckton of people away from homelessness.



The court ruled that segregation was okay.

I guess all the people who resisted segregation and opposed the rulings holding it up should've just bent over and taken it instead of fighting for the people who needed help.

You may love the court system so much you're willing to allow a ton of people to suffer just so your precious courts don't get ignored, but frankly there's more important things than that.

Those people were not defying a court. They were defying discriminatory and unjust laws.

ever hear of the Civil Rights act and Brown and Loving decision?

Did you know it was against the law to help runaway slaves escape? Guess abolitionists were bad dangerous people.

[Kowani]

That's not how it works nor should it.

I came in late define "forcing people put of their homes", just so I'm on the right page.

District Court ruled the CDC eviction moratorium was unconstitutional
We are saying that this was a bad decision

I'd be willing to show up armed to defend the CDC from that tbh

Good luck. No one is above the law or beyond the courts.

Is this a joke

[San Lumen]

That's not the point of the judiciary.

It doesn't matter if it's the point, it's what they are doing. The court shouldn't get to hide behind the fake mask of "judicial impartiality" when they are making decisions against the will of the people that harm them grievously.

Judges should not consider politics, the will of the people or popular opinion in their decisions. They are not independent if they do that.

[San Lumen]

Those people were not defying a court. They were defying discriminatory and unjust laws.

ever hear of the Civil Rights act and Brown and Loving decision?

Did you know it was against the law to help runaway slaves escape? Guess abolitionists were bad dangerous people.

No they were not. Slavery is morally wrong.

[Borderlands of Rojava]

Did you know it was against the law to help runaway slaves escape? Guess abolitionists were bad dangerous people.

No they were not. Slavery is morally wrong.

As is evicting families onto the freezing cold streets. Fuck the court's order, and tell the landlords to piss off.