American Politics IV: 1400 Reasons Why(A Stimulus Serial)

[Dresderstan]

Also, today marks another milestone; The first air strike of the Biden presidency, in Syria

More things change the more they stay the same, and the more they stay the same the more old shit like this pops back up.

[Punished UMN]

So what, they'll jail Joe Biden?

No but they could certainly jail the CDC leadership.

With what?

[San Lumen]

No but they could certainly jail the CDC leadership.

With what?

Kim Davis says hello. A judge ordered her arrest and jailing for contempt.

[Tsi Kassitiridis]

The US is an outlier when it comes to judicial review. There are systems that go entirely without judicial review, like the Netherlands or Switzerland, where federal legislation, at least, is entirely exempt from review. We also have systems like Canada or Israel, where the legislation is subject to judicial review, but legislators reserve the right to override judicial determinations. https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics ... n-doerfler

The Court's power is way larger than their European counterparts. https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/20 ... est-world/

Congress should have the power to override any SC ruling with a 2/3rds vote, imo.

We have that. Its a called a constitutional amendment.

You should know very well that the supermajority in Congress is just to propose an amendment, where the ratification process goes to 3/4ths of the statehouses.

[Esalia]

3/4ths of the states is an exceptionally hard requirement. Only a 2/3rds vote of Congress should be needed to override the SC.

No Congress should not have that power.

Why not?

[San Lumen]

We have that. Its a called a constitutional amendment.

You should know very well that the supermajority in Congress is just to propose an amendment, where the ratification process goes to 3/4ths of the statehouses.

I am aware.

[Picairn]

No Congress should not have that power.

Why not? Canada has it and they are not a tyranny last time I checked.

[Kowani]

Also, today marks another milestone; The first air strike of the Biden presidency, in Syria

Seems pretty unlikely a regular old rocket attack could hit Erbil from Syria.

It seems very far

So what, they'll jail Joe Biden?

No but they could certainly jail the CDC leadership.

Ah yah
Jailing the heads of the nation’s medical organization during a pandemic
This is a functioning country

[San Lumen]

No Congress should not have that power.

Why not? Canada has it and they are not a tyranny last time I checked.

They are also a different system. I do not think Congress should have the sole power to override the Supreme Court. Justices are essentially worthless if their ruling can be overturned by a vote of Congress.

[San Lumen]

Seems pretty unlikely a regular old rocket attack could hit Erbil from Syria.

It seems very far

No but they could certainly jail the CDC leadership.

Ah yah
Jailing the heads of the nation’s medical organization during a pandemic
This is a functioning country

If they defy a court ruling they absolutely should be just like Kim Davis was.

[Punished UMN]

With what?

Kim Davis says hello. A judge ordered her arrest and jailing for contempt.

So the warrant would go down to the CDC and arrest the CDC leadership, presumably by giving them papercuts if they resist?

[San Lumen]

Kim Davis says hello. A judge ordered her arrest and jailing for contempt.

So the warrant would go down to the CDC and arrest the CDC leadership, presumably by giving them papercuts if they resist?

They would be arrested like Davis was or is the police going to decide not to enforce the court ruling either?

[Omniabstracta]

McConnell says he would support Trump in a 2024 run, if nominated. The eternally transient Republican spine continues to amaze.

[Picairn]

They are also a different system. I do not think Congress should have the sole power to override the Supreme Court. Justices are essentially worthless if their ruling can be overturned by a vote of Congress.

Do you know how hard a 2/3rds vote is? And not every judicial ruling is justified. Stuff like Dred Scott and Plessy should definitely be overturned when they were handed down. Judges don't make laws, Congress does.

[Punished UMN]

So the warrant would go down to the CDC and arrest the CDC leadership, presumably by giving them papercuts if they resist?

They would be arrested like Davis was or is the police going to decide not to enforce the court ruling either?

The police don't answer to the court, they answer to the President.

[Esalia]

Why not? Canada has it and they are not a tyranny last time I checked.

They are also a different system. I do not think Congress should have the sole power to override the Supreme Court. Justices are essentially worthless if their ruling can be overturned by a vote of Congress.

If you think that judges are going to have 2/3 of congress vote to overturn court rulings so frequently that it's pointless to have a supreme court, I have to wonder how unpopular you think the supreme court is and why you think such a disliked body of the government should wield so much power.

[San Lumen]

They are also a different system. I do not think Congress should have the sole power to override the Supreme Court. Justices are essentially worthless if their ruling can be overturned by a vote of Congress.

Do you know how hard a 2/3rds vote is? And not every judicial ruling is justified. Stuff like Dred Scott and Plessy should definitely be overturned when they were handed down. Judges don't make laws, Congress does.

Scott was overturned via three constitutional amendments and Plessy via the Brown decision.

[Kowani]

It seems very far


Ah yah
Jailing the heads of the nation’s medical organization during a pandemic
This is a functioning country

If they defy a court ruling they absolutely should be just like Kim Davis was.

“How dare you not want people to die”
Fucking lol

[San Lumen]

They would be arrested like Davis was or is the police going to decide not to enforce the court ruling either?

The police don't answer to the court, they answer to the President.

Oh really? The police answer to the president? Since when?

Did the governor of Kentucky order Davis's arrest an they simply chose to listen?

[Picairn]

Scott was overturned via three constitutional amendments and Plessy via the Brown decision.

Yeah, just took the US a bloody Civil War and 58 years of Jim Crow laws.

[San Lumen]

Scott was overturned via three constitutional amendments and Plessy via the Brown decision.

Yeah, just took the US a bloody Civil War and 58 years of Jim Crow laws.

Yes but it was overturned.

[Picairn]

Yes but it was overturned.

With pointless deaths and misery in between. Great argument.

[Kowani]

Yeah, just took the US a bloody Civil War and 58 years of Jim Crow laws.

Yes but it was overturned.

The rule of law is when your fight a war to overturn a law you don’t like

[Omniabstracta]

The police don't answer to the court, they answer to the President.

Oh really? The police answer to the president? Since when?

Did the governor of Kentucky order Davis's arrest an they simply chose to listen?

Since, y’know, the powers of the President were codified in the Constitution. The President is the executive, his job is to enforce law. His powers are literally called policing powers for a reason. Whenever police act in a capacity that enforces Federal law, they answer to the President, regardless of how long and tangled that chain of authority might be in practice.

[Esalia]

Yeah, just took the US a bloody Civil War and 58 years of Jim Crow laws.

Yes but it was overturned.

After decades and a lot of blood was shed.

Simplifying that process so that another Plessy/Scott doesn't need decades of blood to overturn sounds like a pretty good idea to me.

And once again if you think the supreme court is so disliked that a 2/3 majority to overturn their decisions would be used so often that it makes the court pointless I have to wonder why you think the court is a good idea in the first place.