American Politics IV: 1400 Reasons Why(A Stimulus Serial)

[Kowani]

Well fuck



You know the government ignored court rulings it doesn’t like all the time, right?
Usually to do bad things
So yeah no fuck that logic
Let people live

When has the government ignored a court ruling?

Literally last year on multiple occasions and then again this year against homeless people

Why didn't the Governor of Wisconsin do that when the state Supreme Court struck down his statewide mandates?

‘Cause he’s an idiot

[San Lumen]

Why didn't the governor of Wisconsin do it? Was Kim Davis wrongfully held in contempt?

No, was it right for the Supreme Court to make Dred Scott stay a slave?

No of course not. The decision wasn't ignored though. We fought a Civil War over it and passed three constitutional amendments to overturn it.

[Punished UMN]

No, was it right for the Supreme Court to make Dred Scott stay a slave?

No of course not. The decision wasn't ignored though. We fought a Civil War over it and passed three constitutional amendments to overturn it.

So if the court was wrong, why follow the court's ruling that slavery was legal?

[San Lumen]

When has the government ignored a court ruling?

Literally last year on multiple occasions and then again this year against homeless people

Why didn't the Governor of Wisconsin do that when the state Supreme Court struck down his statewide mandates?

‘Cause he’s an idiot

Or perhaps he believes in the rule of law and didnt want to face fines or contempt like the Mayor of Yonkers did in the late 1980s.

Kim Davis should have been allowed to get away with defying the Supreme Court?

[Kowani]

Literally last year on multiple occasions and then again this year against homeless people

‘Cause he’s an idiot

Or perhaps he believes in the rule of law and didnt want to face fines or contempt like the Mayor of Yonkers did in the late 1980s.

We don’t have the rule of law
We have the rule of law for the poor and impunity for the powerful

[Picairn]

No of course not. The decision wasn't ignored though. We fought a Civil War over it and passed three constitutional amendments to overturn it.

The Republicans and Lincoln actively resisted it wherever possible and attacked the Supreme Court. So yeah, not all court rulings are justified.

[San Lumen]

Or perhaps he believes in the rule of law and didnt want to face fines or contempt like the Mayor of Yonkers did in the late 1980s.

We don’t have the rule of law
We have the rule of law for the poor and impunity for the powerful

So why doesn't every politician just ignore court decisions they disagree with? Why didn't Evers do that in Wisconsin?

[San Lumen]

No of course not. The decision wasn't ignored though. We fought a Civil War over it and passed three constitutional amendments to overturn it.

The Republicans and Lincoln actively resisted it wherever possible and attacked the Supreme Court. So yeah, not all court rulings are justified.

Never said it was always justified. But if your going to ignore any decision you disagree with what's the point of judiciary? You no longer have a democracy. You have a monarchy.

[Punished UMN]

The Republicans and Lincoln actively resisted it wherever possible and attacked the Supreme Court. So yeah, not all court rulings are justified.

Never said it was always justified. But if your going to ignore any decision you disagree with what's the point of judiciary? You no longer have a democracy. You have a monarchy.

Ah yes it was very democratic of the court to declare "fuck the poor" despite majority public support for the rent moratorium.

[Kowani]

We don’t have the rule of law
We have the rule of law for the poor and impunity for the powerful

So why doesn't every politician just ignore court decisions they disagree with?

Why didn't Evers do that in Wisconsin?[/quote]
Let me just put on my mind reading hat and I’ll tell you

[San Lumen]

Never said it was always justified. But if your going to ignore any decision you disagree with what's the point of judiciary? You no longer have a democracy. You have a monarchy.

Ah yes it was very democratic of the court to declare "fuck the poor" despite majority public support for the rent moratorium.

And what do you suggest it be ignored if not overturned on appeal? You think the court isn't going to slap around the federal government for ignoring them?

[Esalia]

The Republicans and Lincoln actively resisted it wherever possible and attacked the Supreme Court. So yeah, not all court rulings are justified.

Never said it was always justified. But if your going to ignore any decision you disagree with what's the point of judiciary? You no longer have a democracy. You have a monarchy.

America is an oddly democratic monarchy then, what with them cycling out their monarch usually every 4 or 8 years with an election.

[Kowani]

Also, today marks another milestone; The first air strike of the Biden presidency, in Syria

[San Lumen]

So why doesn't every politician just ignore court decisions they disagree with?

Why didn't Evers do that in Wisconsin?

Let me just put on my mind reading hat and I’ll tell you [/quote]

You calling him an idiot for not ignoring the court. If a executive can do whatever they want and ignore the court and do things without the consent of the legislature that is a monarch.

[Punished UMN]

Ah yes it was very democratic of the court to declare "fuck the poor" despite majority public support for the rent moratorium.

And what do you suggest it be ignored if not overturned on appeal? You think the court isn't going to slap around the federal government for ignoring them?

What with?

[Picairn]

Never said it was always justified. But if your going to ignore any decision you disagree with what's the point of judiciary? You no longer have a democracy. You have a monarchy.

The US is an outlier when it comes to judicial review. There are systems that go entirely without judicial review, like the Netherlands or Switzerland, where federal legislation, at least, is entirely exempt from review. We also have systems like Canada or Israel, where the legislation is subject to judicial review, but legislators reserve the right to override judicial determinations. https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics ... n-doerfler

The Court's power is way larger than their European counterparts. https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/20 ... est-world/

Congress should have the power to override any SC ruling with a 2/3rds vote, imo.

[San Lumen]

And what do you suggest it be ignored if not overturned on appeal? You think the court isn't going to slap around the federal government for ignoring them?

What with?

Kim Davis was jailed for contempt.

[Kowani]

You calling him an idiot for not ignoring the court. If a executive can do whatever they want and ignore the court and do things without the consent of the legislature that is a monarch.

Ah yes
Monarchy
Known for its many elections

[San Lumen]

Never said it was always justified. But if your going to ignore any decision you disagree with what's the point of judiciary? You no longer have a democracy. You have a monarchy.

The US is an outlier when it comes to judicial review. There are systems that go entirely without judicial review, like the Netherlands or Switzerland, where federal legislation, at least, is entirely exempt from review. We also have systems like Canada or Israel, where the legislation is subject to judicial review, but legislators reserve the right to override judicial determinations. https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics ... n-doerfler

The Court's power is way larger than their European counterparts. https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/20 ... est-world/

Congress should have the power to override any SC ruling with a 2/3rds vote, imo.

We have that. Its a called a constitutional amendment.

[Punished UMN]

Also, today marks another milestone; The first air strike of the Biden presidency, in Syria

Seems pretty unlikely a regular old rocket attack could hit Erbil from Syria.

[Punished UMN]

What with?

Kim Davis was jailed for contempt.

So what, they'll jail Joe Biden?

[San Lumen]

You calling him an idiot for not ignoring the court. If a executive can do whatever they want and ignore the court and do things without the consent of the legislature that is a monarch.

Ah yes
Monarchy
Known for its many elections

Why was Evers an idiot for not defying the State Supreme Court? perhaps he didn't;t want to end up like Kim Davis?

[San Lumen]

Kim Davis was jailed for contempt.

So what, they'll jail Joe Biden?

No but they could certainly jail the CDC leadership.

[Picairn]

We have that. Its a called a constitutional amendment.

3/4ths of the states is an exceptionally hard requirement. Only a 2/3rds vote of Congress should be needed to override the SC.

[San Lumen]

We have that. Its a called a constitutional amendment.

3/4ths of the states is an exceptionally hard requirement. Only a 2/3rds vote of Congress should be needed to override the SC.

No Congress should not have that power.