American Politics IV: 1400 Reasons Why(A Stimulus Serial)

[Picairn]

It is but unless it is overturned we are going to have a homeless crisis in this country.

What? An eviction moratorium is meant to curb homelessness from evictions.

[San Lumen]

It is but unless it is overturned we are going to have a homeless crisis in this country.

What? An eviction moratorium is meant to curb homelessness from evictions.

I am aware of that. I was referring to the ruling by the judge.

[Omniabstracta]

It is but unless it is overturned we are going to have a homeless crisis in this country.

What? An eviction moratorium is meant to curb homelessness from evictions.

Yes, which means that unless the judge’s decision is overturned, there will be a homelessness crisis, as Lumen said. Though there was likely to be one when the moratorium expired anyway.

[The Republic of Fore]

1. Correlation doesn't equal causation, surely you know that. For over 60 years straight the Washington football team winning or losing their last home game correlated with the president being defeated or reelected. Do you honestly believe those two are connected?

O Wise One, please enlighten me, how spending money into vaccine distribution and social programs does not decrease deaths. I'm sure you have evidence to back up that claim.

2. Eh, the lost decade was at least in part caused by poor responses. More "too big too fail" and bailouts especially.

Japan had a credit housing bubble in the 80s mostly because of the Plaza Accord doubling the exchange rate value of the US dollar versus the yen between 1985 and 1987, which fueled a speculative asset price bubble of a massive scale. The bubble was caused by the excessive loan growth quotas dictated on the banks by Japan's central bank, the Bank of Japan, through a policy mechanism known as the "window guidance". As economist Paul Krugman explained in The return of depression economics and the crisis of 2008, "Japan's banks lent more, with less regard for quality of the borrower, than anyone else's. In doing so they helped inflate the bubble economy to grotesque proportions."

3.It's stating a fact. If we're that concerned about the economy we should open back up.

Sacrificing the elderly for more dollars.

1. Nothing to do with what I said, I said stimulus checks aren't preventing deaths. Apparently reading comprehension is a rare skill on the internet.
2. I know that.
3. You're the one who was so worried about the economy earlier. Nobody is sacrificing the elderly. We should have a stay at home order for vulnerable population. I could be wrong, but I believe that's what the swedes did.

[Punished UMN]

If the court has made its decision, then just don't acknowledge their decision.

[San Lumen]

If the court has made its decision, then just don't acknowledge their decision.

No. That is a very dangerous door to open. By that logic Kim Davis was wrongfully imprisoned for contempt.

[Tsi Kassitiridis]

O Wise One, please enlighten me, how spending money into vaccine distribution and social programs does not decrease deaths. I'm sure you have evidence to back up that claim.


Japan had a credit housing bubble in the 80s mostly because of the Plaza Accord doubling the exchange rate value of the US dollar versus the yen between 1985 and 1987, which fueled a speculative asset price bubble of a massive scale. The bubble was caused by the excessive loan growth quotas dictated on the banks by Japan's central bank, the Bank of Japan, through a policy mechanism known as the "window guidance". As economist Paul Krugman explained in The return of depression economics and the crisis of 2008, "Japan's banks lent more, with less regard for quality of the borrower, than anyone else's. In doing so they helped inflate the bubble economy to grotesque proportions."


Sacrificing the elderly for more dollars.

1. Nothing to do with what I said, I said stimulus checks aren't preventing deaths. Apparently reading comprehension is a rare skill on the internet.

Nowhere did you specify spending on just stimulus checks, this is something we all can easily check. You may be confused and think the stimulus and the stimulus checks are the same thing, but no, the latter is a part of the former.

[Punished UMN]

If the court has made its decision, then just don't acknowledge their decision.

No. That is a very dangerous door to open. By that logic Kim Davis was wrongfully imprisoned for contempt.

Evicting large sections of the population in the middle of an economic crisis is a more dangerous door to open.

[San Lumen]

No. That is a very dangerous door to open. By that logic Kim Davis was wrongfully imprisoned for contempt.

Evicting large sections of the population in the middle of an economic crisis is a more dangerous door to open.

Both are bad but ignoring courts is even more dangerous. Once you do that you no longer have a democracy as a legislature or executive could simply ignore any decision they disagree with. There would be no point in having a judiciary.

[Punished UMN]

Evicting large sections of the population in the middle of an economic crisis is a more dangerous door to open.

Both are bad but ignoring courts is even more dangerous. Once you do that you no longer have a democracy as a legislature or executive could simply ignore any decision they disagree with. There would be no point in having a judiciary.

Sometimes the court is wrong and should get fucked.

[Picairn]

I am aware of that. I was referring to the ruling by the judge.

My bad.

Yes, which means that unless the judge’s decision is overturned, there will be a homelessness crisis, as Lumen said. Though there was likely to be one when the moratorium expired anyway.

My bad, I misunderstood his post. That's why the Dems are trying to pass the package before mid-March, when unemployment benefits expire.

1. Nothing to do with what I said, I said stimulus checks aren't preventing deaths. Apparently reading comprehension is a rare skill on the internet.
2. I know that.
3. You're the one who was so worried about the economy earlier. Nobody is sacrificing the elderly. We should have a stay at home order for vulnerable population. I could be wrong, but I believe that's what the swedes did.

1. Reducing poverty, hunger and homelessness is not preventing deaths?
3. Their strategy caused massive deaths of the elderly in nursing homes.

"The country’s cumulative death rate since the beginning of the pandemic rivals that of the United States, with its shambolic response. And the virus took a shocking toll on the most vulnerable. It had free rein in nursing homes, where nearly 1000 people died in a matter of weeks. Stockholm’s nursing homes ended up losing 7% of their 14,000 residents to the virus. The vast majority were not taken to hospitals. Although infections waned over the summer, scientists worry a new wave will hit in the fall. Cases are rising rapidly in the greater Stockholm area, where almost one-quarter of the Swedish population lives."
https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/10 ... e-backlash

[Kowani]

Senate parliamentarian disqualifies $15 minimum wage increase from budget reconciliation process.

Well fuck

Evicting large sections of the population in the middle of an economic crisis is a more dangerous door to open.

Both are bad but ignoring courts is even more dangerous. Once you do that you no longer have a democracy as a legislature or executive could simply ignore any decision they disagree with. There would be no point in having a judiciary.

You know the government ignores court rulings it doesn’t like all the time, right?
Usually to do bad things
So yeah no fuck that logic
Let people live

[San Lumen]

Both are bad but ignoring courts is even more dangerous. Once you do that you no longer have a democracy as a legislature or executive could simply ignore any decision they disagree with. There would be no point in having a judiciary.

Sometimes the court is wrong and should get fucked.

No. If you dont like the decision too bad. The mayor of Yonkers did that in the late 1980s when he refused to abide by a court decision on affordable housing. The city was nearly bankrupted by fines.

Kim Davis thought the court was wrong. Was she wrongfully jailed?

[The powerful lands of America]

No, it doesn't solve the currently problem of existing legal children with illegal parents. But it stops there being more legal children with illegal parents, and does so in a way that both stops the separation of families, and the exploitation of the system.

How is it exploiting the system? Why should someone born in the US to legal immigrants not be a automatic citizen?

i understand it

[Kowani]

Neoliberalism, banking memes and austerity wrecked Greece lmao.

Refusing to be responsible Is what wrecked Greece. Their leaders were more interested in keeping their personal popularity than making the cuts they needed to keep themselves stable.

Point of order: Greece is not a monetary sovereign, so their debt matters
The US is a monetary sovereign, so ours does not
Very simple differentiation of facts

[San Lumen]

Senate parliamentarian disqualifies $15 minimum wage increase from budget reconciliation process.

Well fuck

Both are bad but ignoring courts is even more dangerous. Once you do that you no longer have a democracy as a legislature or executive could simply ignore any decision they disagree with. There would be no point in having a judiciary.

You know the government ignored court rulings it doesn’t like all the time, right?
Usually to do bad things
So yeah no fuck that logic
Let people live

When has the government ignored a court ruling? Why didn't the Governor of Wisconsin do that when the state Supreme Court struck down his statewide mandates?

[Greater Miami Shores]

Senate parliamentarian disqualifies $15 minimum wage increase from budget reconciliation process.

Well that's that I hope.

[Punished UMN]

Sometimes the court is wrong and should get fucked.

No. If you dont like the decision too bad. The mayor of Yonkers did that in the late 1980s when he refused to abide by a court decision on affordable housing. The city was nearly bankrupted by fines.

Kim Davis thought the court was wrong. Was she wrongfully jailed?

So was Dred Scott in the wrong?

[Picairn]

No. If you dont like the decision too bad. The mayor of Yonkers did that in the late 1980s when he refused to abide by a court decision on affordable housing. The city was nearly bankrupted by fines.

Kim Davis thought the court was wrong. Was she wrongfully jailed?

Thank goodness Abraham Lincoln didn't follow your advice when the Supreme Court handed down Dred Scott. Not every judicial case is justified. https://jacobinmag.com/2020/09/abraham- ... rt-slavery

[Punished UMN]

Well fuck



You know the government ignored court rulings it doesn’t like all the time, right?
Usually to do bad things
So yeah no fuck that logic
Let people live

When has the government ignored a court ruling? Why didn't the Governor of Wisconsin do that when the state Supreme Court struck down his statewide mandates?

Jackson with the Indian Removal Act and Lincoln during the Civil War are the most notable examples.

[San Lumen]

When has the government ignored a court ruling? Why didn't the Governor of Wisconsin do that when the state Supreme Court struck down his statewide mandates?

Jackson with the Indian Removal Act and Lincoln during the Civil War are the most notable examples.

Why didn't the governor of Wisconsin do it? Was Kim Davis wrongfully held in contempt?

[The Republic of Fore]

1. Nothing to do with what I said, I said stimulus checks aren't preventing deaths. Apparently reading comprehension is a rare skill on the internet.

Nowhere did you specify spending on just stimulus checks, this is something we all can easily check. You may be confused and think the stimulus and the stimulus checks are the same thing, but no, the latter is a part of the former.

Even then, I would assume we already had the funding for the vaccine rollout. Surely the first round was enough. And even if its not, It's a rather small percentage of the entire package. One small portion of nearly two trillion worth of spending doesn't justify the whole thing. If more spending was needed to roll out the vaccine that can be done separate.

[Cannot think of a name]

It's a little harder in California, they have legitimate reasons to be shy of expanded nuclear power. Hyperactive fault lines, for example.

Rancho Seco hasn't run since like the 80s. In its place is a solar farm and natural gas power plant. That place was a shitshow.

Senate parliamentarian disqualifies $15 minimum wage increase from budget reconciliation process.

Well, that was fun while it lasted.

[Washington Resistance Army]

When has the government ignored a court ruling? Why didn't the Governor of Wisconsin do that when the state Supreme Court struck down his statewide mandates?

Jackson with the Indian Removal Act and Lincoln during the Civil War are the most notable examples.

FDR could also plausibly be tossed in because he threatened the court and made them start ruling in his favor after handing him some defeats.

[Punished UMN]

Jackson with the Indian Removal Act and Lincoln during the Civil War are the most notable examples.

Why didn't the governor of Wisconsin do it? Was Kim Davis wrongfully held in contempt?

No, was it right for the Supreme Court to make Dred Scott stay a slave?