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Postby Greater Miami Shores » Thu Feb 25, 2021 4:20 pm

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Greater Miami Shores wrote:lol, I want from S L President Trump's asylum laws from Mexico, which are awesome, this is what I asked for. If you guys cant give that what can you offer Republicans? lol, so President Trump's executive orders on immigration are unlawful, but Biden's executive orders are lawful?

You mean Biden and Congress. I’m not the president.

You were just told the flaws in your argument yet here we go you stick to your narrative and refuse to listen.

What is unlawful about Biden’s orders?

Here we go again, I told you in a nice way what the problem is with your first point, because we strongly disagree on it and we will never agree on it. It does not make you wrong and me right. I does not make me wrong and you guys right, we strongly disagree on it and we will never agree on it.

Gravlen said President Trump's executive orders or his deal with Mexico which I asked you for and you refused are unlawful. So I am the one asking are President Trump's executive orders on immigration unlawful and Biden's executive orders on immigration lawful?
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Postby Austria-Bohemia-Hungary » Thu Feb 25, 2021 4:21 pm

Greater Miami Shores wrote:So I am the one asking are Trump executive orders on immigration unlawful and Biden's executive orders on immigration lawful?
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Greater Miami Shores wrote:lol, so President Trump's executive orders on immigration are unlawful, but Biden's executive orders are lawful?

Rescinding illegitimate executive orders by the same mechanism is obviously legal. This is a no brainer mate. Or do you wish to keep the Japanese internment orders?

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Postby San Lumen » Thu Feb 25, 2021 4:23 pm

Greater Miami Shores wrote:
San Lumen wrote:You mean Biden and Congress. I’m not the president.

You were just told the flaws in your argument yet here we go you stick to your narrative and refuse to listen.

What is unlawful about Biden’s orders?

Here we go again, I told you in a nice way what the problem is with your first point, because we strongly disagree on it and we will never agree on it. It does not make you wrong and me right. I does not make me wrong and you guys right, we strongly disagree on it and we will never agree on it.

Gravlen said President Trump's executive orders or his deal with Mexico which I asked you for and you refused are unlawful. So I am the one asking are President Trump's executive orders on immigration unlawful and Biden's executive orders on immigration lawful?

There is nothing unlawful about rescinding an executive order.

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Postby Austria-Bohemia-Hungary » Thu Feb 25, 2021 4:26 pm

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Greater Miami Shores wrote:Here we go again, I told you in a nice way what the problem is with your first point, because we strongly disagree on it and we will never agree on it. It does not make you wrong and me right. I does not make me wrong and you guys right, we strongly disagree on it and we will never agree on it.

Gravlen said President Trump's executive orders or his deal with Mexico which I asked you for and you refused are unlawful. So I am the one asking are President Trump's executive orders on immigration unlawful and Biden's executive orders on immigration lawful?

There is nothing unlawful about rescinding an executive order.

If rescinding illegitimate EO's was somehow illegal we'd still have the Japanese internment orders on the books. I'm sure that's plenty of fun for all involved.

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Postby Greater Miami Shores » Thu Feb 25, 2021 4:30 pm

Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:
Greater Miami Shores wrote:So I am the one asking are Trump executive orders on immigration unlawful and Biden's executive orders on immigration lawful?
Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:Rescinding illegitimate executive orders by the same mechanism is obviously legal. This is a no brainer mate. Or do you wish to keep the Japanese internment orders?

So you are telling me rescinding illegitimate executive orders by Republican President Trump by the same mechanism is obviously legal.

1 - Do you really think I who strongly disagree with you am going to agree with you? I say No.

2 - Do you really think any persons who strongly agree with me is going to agree with you guys. I say No.

3 - How about you guys strongly agreeing with us who strongly disagree with you guys? I say I think you wont.

It works both ways. In Politics everything works both ways.
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Postby Dresderstan » Thu Feb 25, 2021 4:40 pm


This further proves he's yet another Democratic establishment hack who needs to be kicked out ASAP by any means necessary.
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Postby Greater Miami Shores » Thu Feb 25, 2021 4:40 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Gravlen wrote:Besides, the US already has a system where you can apply for refugee status from your home country.


True. asylum and refugee are different though what the distinction is I do not know.

I don't support a separate asylum and refugee status process. The asylum and refugee status process are being abused all over the world as an excuse for open borders illegal immigration. I can assure all of you this is what we think, what matters to you guys is what you think, what matters to us is what we think, it works both ways, it does not make one side right and one side wrong, it is called politics and different views and opinions which we all have a democratic right too.
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Postby Austria-Bohemia-Hungary » Thu Feb 25, 2021 4:41 pm

So we thus conclude that making EO 9066 null and void was an illegal act by president Ford and that should war erupt again the Japanese Americans should obediently report to the nearest concentration camp. Lmfao.

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Same guy who said "we will transition over to electric cars...in 2035." He's a total con.
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Postby Austria-Bohemia-Hungary » Thu Feb 25, 2021 4:45 pm

Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:So we thus conclude that making EO 9066 null and void was an illegal act by president Ford and that should war erupt again the Japanese Americans should obediently report to the nearest concentration camp. Lmfao.

Oh and GMS, if it was impossible to invalidate EO 9066 you too need to report to a concentration camp should war ever happen between Cuba and USA.

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Postby The Republic of Fore » Thu Feb 25, 2021 4:46 pm

So the stimulus package is supposed to come to a vote tomorrow. At this point we've already spent about what, four trillion? I really don't see why we need another two. Just keep piling on to that debt.

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Postby Greater Miami Shores » Thu Feb 25, 2021 4:46 pm

Borderlands of Rojava wrote:


Same guy who said "we will transition over to electric cars...in 2035." He's a total con.

Serious questions Rojava.

1 - Will we transition to electric cars, Yes or No and you may give your comments?

2 - If yes, when do you think we will transition to electric cars and you may give your comments?

Thank you.
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Postby Austria-Bohemia-Hungary » Thu Feb 25, 2021 4:46 pm

The Republic of Fore wrote:So the stimulus package is supposed to come to a vote tomorrow. At this point we've already spent about what, four trillion? I really don't see why we need another two. Just keep piling on to that debt.

And like magic the debt suddenly matters when it didn't for four years with an economic illiterate at the helm.
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Postby Vassenor » Thu Feb 25, 2021 4:48 pm

Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:
The Republic of Fore wrote:So the stimulus package is supposed to come to a vote tomorrow. At this point we've already spent about what, four trillion? I really don't see why we need another two. Just keep piling on to that debt.

And like magic the debt suddenly matters when it didn't for four years with an economic illiterate at the helm.


Debt and Deficit only matter when Democrats are in control.

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Postby Salus Maior » Thu Feb 25, 2021 4:48 pm

The Republic of Fore wrote:So the stimulus package is supposed to come to a vote tomorrow. At this point we've already spent about what, four trillion? I really don't see why we need another two. Just keep piling on to that debt.


Who cares.
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Postby Borderlands of Rojava » Thu Feb 25, 2021 4:48 pm

Greater Miami Shores wrote:
Borderlands of Rojava wrote:
Same guy who said "we will transition over to electric cars...in 2035." He's a total con.

Serious questions Rojava.

1 - Will we transition to electric cars, Yes or No and you may give your comments?

2 - If yes, when do you think we will transition to electric cars and you may give your comments?

Thank you.


We need to transition like now. Fossil fuels are killing the planet and if we keep doing what we're doing, we'll be living on hothouse earth one day. Hopefully we will transition by 2025. I doubt it though.
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Postby Picairn » Thu Feb 25, 2021 4:49 pm

The Republic of Fore wrote:So the stimulus package is supposed to come to a vote tomorrow. At this point we've already spent about what, four trillion? I really don't see why we need another two. Just keep piling on to that debt.

Doing nothing and letting Americans die would cost even more, possibly irreparable damage to the economy.
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Postby Borderlands of Rojava » Thu Feb 25, 2021 4:50 pm

Picairn wrote:
The Republic of Fore wrote:So the stimulus package is supposed to come to a vote tomorrow. At this point we've already spent about what, four trillion? I really don't see why we need another two. Just keep piling on to that debt.

Doing nothing and letting Americans die would cost even more, possibly irreparable damage to the economy.


Also it would lead to a crime and violence wave, maybe some riots.
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Postby The Republic of Fore » Thu Feb 25, 2021 4:50 pm

Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:
The Republic of Fore wrote:So the stimulus package is supposed to come to a vote tomorrow. At this point we've already spent about what, four trillion? I really don't see why we need another two. Just keep piling on to that debt.

And like magic the debt suddenly matters when it didn't for four years with an economic illiterate at the helm.

And like magic people jump to "but trump!" as a defense mechanism. Just because I criticize one doesn't mean I have to like the other.

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Postby Greater Miami Shores » Thu Feb 25, 2021 4:50 pm

Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:
Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:So we thus conclude that making EO 9066 null and void was an illegal act by president Ford and that should war erupt again the Japanese Americans should obediently report to the nearest concentration camp. Lmfao.

Oh and GMS, if it was impossible to invalidate EO 9066 you too need to report to a concentration camp should war ever happen between Cuba and USA.

I did not understand your commands on this issue or similar comments, I don't know why you are bringing this old issue up.
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Postby Greater Miami Shores » Thu Feb 25, 2021 4:53 pm

Borderlands of Rojava wrote:
Greater Miami Shores wrote:Serious questions Rojava.

1 - Will we transition to electric cars, Yes or No and you may give your comments?

2 - If yes, when do you think we will transition to electric cars and you may give your comments?

Thank you.


We need to transition like now. Fossil fuels are killing the planet and if we keep doing what we're doing, we'll be living on hothouse earth one day. Hopefully we will transition by 2025. I doubt it though.

Thank you Rojava for answering my questions in details.
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Postby Austria-Bohemia-Hungary » Thu Feb 25, 2021 4:53 pm

Greater Miami Shores wrote:
Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:Oh and GMS, if it was impossible to invalidate EO 9066 you too need to report to a concentration camp should war ever happen between Cuba and USA.

I did not understand your commands on this issue or similar comments, I don't know why you are bringing this old issue up.

Because, if we followed your reasoning:
1. It is illegal to rescind/invalidate EO's.
2. Therefore EO 9066 authorising military and civil officials to "quarantine" hostile foreigners is still on the books.
3. You are a foreigner.
4. If war happens between Cuba and USA you become a hostile foreigner.
5. Therefore the officials of Florida are authorised by the still legitimate EO 9066 to "quarantine" you in a concentration camp.

Or we could invalidate/rescind EO's.
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Postby The Republic of Fore » Thu Feb 25, 2021 4:54 pm

Picairn wrote:
The Republic of Fore wrote:So the stimulus package is supposed to come to a vote tomorrow. At this point we've already spent about what, four trillion? I really don't see why we need another two. Just keep piling on to that debt.

Doing nothing and letting Americans die would cost even more, possibly irreparable damage to the economy.

We've already spent trillions and it hasn't stopped people from dying. And turning into Japan 2.0 won't be great for the economy either. Especially when a lot of the deaths are older people who don't really contribute to the economy.

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Postby The Republic of Fore » Thu Feb 25, 2021 4:56 pm

Salus Maior wrote:
The Republic of Fore wrote:So the stimulus package is supposed to come to a vote tomorrow. At this point we've already spent about what, four trillion? I really don't see why we need another two. Just keep piling on to that debt.


Who cares.

Yup, who cares that we'll turn into Greece and have our economy crash because congress refused to be financially responsible. I say who cares about wasting money on another stimulus package that will do nothing to stop the virus.

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Postby Tyunmen » Thu Feb 25, 2021 4:57 pm

The Republic of Fore wrote:
Picairn wrote:Doing nothing and letting Americans die would cost even more, possibly irreparable damage to the economy.

We've already spent trillions and it hasn't stopped people from dying. And turning into Japan 2.0 won't be great for the economy either. Especially when a lot of the deaths are older people who don't really contribute to the economy.

I for one, DON'T want to sacrifice the elderly for the economy.

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