American Politics IV: 1400 Reasons Why(A Stimulus Serial)

[Greater Miami Shores]

Yes I would give citizenship to the current kids of illegals born in the USA. Biden's executive orders on illegal immigration is designed to make illegal immigration legal immigration, this is why many Republicans strongly oppose it.

I dont understand what you mean.

ok, I would give citizenship to the current kids of illegals born in the USA. But now the Democrats have to give something in return to the Republicans or there cant be any political deal.

Enforce illegal immigration laws. Don't make asylum easier for illegals to qualify as legal s. Basically all of President Trump's policies on illegal immigration. But that is never going to happen either, see why I am saying we are stuck, as the old saying says, we are damned if we do and damned if we don't.

ok I think we have all discussed this issue back and forth very well. Gravlen made some good points, Therm made some good points, S L made some awesome questions, and GMS made some good points, lol.

I seriously think we have reached an impasse on this issue. I think we should change the subject.

[Zul-ar]

I'm talking about people coming into the U.S. illegally, with the sole purpose of having their child there in order to gain citizenship for them. I have family members who've done this. People born to legal immigrants should absolutely be citizens, and under Jus sanguinis they would be.

so a child born to legal immigrants who are not yet citizens would not be one?

One option is that they would be LPRs, and when they're adults they can petition for citizenship. However, should their parents get deported for whatever reason, and the child is still a minor, they'd take the kid with them, or give custody to a legal family member.

[San Lumen]

I dont understand what you mean.

ok, I would give citizenship to the current kids of illegals born in the USA. But now the Democrats have to give something in return to the Republicans or there cant be any political deal. Enforce illegal immigration laws. Don't make asylum easier for illegals to qualify as legal s. Basically all of President Trump's policies on illegal immigration. But that is never going to happen either, see why I am saying we are stuck, as the old saying says, we are damned if we do and damned if we don't. ok I think we have all discussed this issue back and forth very well. Gravlen made some good points, Therm made some good points, S L made some awesome questions, and GMS made some good points, lol. I seriously think we have reached an impasse on this issue. I think we should change the subject.

why should seeking asylum be harder? Its not something anyone can claim. I'm in favor of deals but your not proposing anything that is reasonable.

[Greater Miami Shores]

ok, I would give citizenship to the current kids of illegals born in the USA. But now the Democrats have to give something in return to the Republicans or there cant be any political deal. Enforce illegal immigration laws. Don't make asylum easier for illegals to qualify as legal s. Basically all of President Trump's policies on illegal immigration. But that is never going to happen either, see why I am saying we are stuck, as the old saying says, we are damned if we do and damned if we don't. ok I think we have all discussed this issue back and forth very well. Gravlen made some good points, Therm made some good points, S L made some awesome questions, and GMS made some good points, lol. I seriously think we have reached an impasse on this issue. I think we should change the subject.

why should seeking asylum be harder? Its not something anyone can claim. I'm in favor of deals but your not proposing anything that is reasonable.

I am giving you the biggest prize of all, all current kids born in the USA of illegals can stay and become citizens. But now the Democrats have to give something to the Republicans they want on illegal immigration laws, not on legal immigration laws, what would you suggest? Anyone can also suggest?

[San Lumen]

why should seeking asylum be harder? Its not something anyone can claim. I'm in favor of deals but your not proposing anything that is reasonable.

I am giving you the biggest prize of all, all current kids born in the USA of illegals can stay and become citizens. But now the Democrats have to give something to the Republicans they want on illegal immigration laws, not on legal immigration laws, what would you suggest?

What about those who arent kids?

What is it you want?

[Thermodolia]

Well you could technically end Jus Soli and move to Jus Sanguinis. That would technically end a lot of the whole issues of border crossing births, as the child would no longer be an automatic US citizens of neither parent was a US citizen at the time of the birth.

All you’d have to do is declare that all current US citizens are eligible to pass their citizenship down

First of all, you'd have to change the Constitution.

Second, it doesn't solve the problem we're talking about. The question is "How does removing birthright citizenship solve the problems of illegal immigration", and the answer isn't "You can technically remove birthright citizenship".

Well it wouldn’t remove birthright citizenship because that’s stupid. Jus soli and Jus Sanguinis are both birthright citizenship it’s just one is citizenship through land while the other is citizenship through blood

[Zul-ar]

First of all, you'd have to change the Constitution.

Second, it doesn't solve the problem we're talking about. The question is "How does removing birthright citizenship solve the problems of illegal immigration", and the answer isn't "You can technically remove birthright citizenship".

Well it wouldn’t remove birthright citizenship because that’s stupid. Jus soli and Jus Sanguinis are both birthright citizenship it’s just one is citizenship through land while the other is citizenship through blood

Yes, but through one, the children of illegals are citizens, while through the other, they aren't.

[Greater Miami Shores]

I am giving you the biggest prize of all, all current kids born in the USA of illegals can stay and become citizens. But now the Democrats have to give something to the Republicans they want on illegal immigration laws, not on legal immigration laws, what would you suggest?

What about those who arent kids?

What is it you want?

What can you offer? I am asking the questions now. I have been answering all your questions, granted, you don't like my answers and that is understandable from your premises.

[San Lumen]

What about those who arent kids?

What is it you want?

What can you offer? I have been answering all your questions, granted, you don't like my answers and that is understandable from your premises.

I asked what you want in exchange. Thats how deal making works.

[Greater Miami Shores]

What can you offer? I have been answering all your questions, granted, you don't like my answers and that is understandable from your premises.

I asked what you want in exchange. Thats how deal making works.

I gave you what you wanted, now offer me something. Anyone can offer as well, we are all here to discuss and share our views, even the ones who have me on ignore cam post to me and I will always post back with respect, just saying, no I am not going to get into a silly unnecessary arguments.

[San Lumen]

I asked what you want in exchange. Thats how deal making works.

I gave you what you wanted, now offer me something. Anyone can offer as well, we are all here to discuss and share our views, even the ones who have me on ignore cam post to me and I will always post back with respect, just saying, no I am not going to get into a silly unnecessary arguments.

Tell me what you want and ill tell you if im willing to exchange it.

[Greater Miami Shores]

I gave you what you wanted, now offer me something. Anyone can offer as well, we are all here to discuss and share our views, even the ones who have me on ignore cam post to me and I will always post back with respect, just saying, no I am not going to get into a silly unnecessary arguments.

Tell me what you want and ill tell you if im willing to exchange it.

1 - Keep President Trump's asylum laws, the deal with Mexico for example, I think this one covers a lot of ground.

2 - Deport all future illegal immigrants.

I can assure all of you this is what most Republicans want.

[San Lumen]

Tell me what you want and ill tell you if im willing to exchange it.

1 - Keep President Trump's asylum laws, the deal with Mexico for example, I think this one covers a lot of ground.

2 - Deport all future illegal immigrants.

I can assure all of you this is what most Republicans want.

His asylum laws made it harder to claim asylum and you had to do it from you own country. Thats a no go.

Deporting illegal immigrants is something almost anyone on the left could agree to but you simply can't deport everyone. We do not have the resources nor is it feasible.

[Greater Miami Shores]

1 - Keep President Trump's asylum laws, the deal with Mexico for example, I think this one covers a lot of ground.

2 - Deport all future illegal immigrants.

I can assure all of you this is what most Republicans want.

His asylum laws made it harder to claim asylum and you had to do it from you own country. Thats a no go.

Deporting illegal immigrants is something almost anyone on the left could agree to but you simply can't deport everyone. We do not have the resources nor is it feasible.

Great point on your second point. The problem with your first point is if you make asylum easier you are not enforcing illegal immigration laws, you are enabling illegal immigration.

You have always told me, I don't represent Republicans, I cant speak for Republicans. But I can assure all of you this is what we think on it. Because I have attended many Republican party meetings where we have discussed the issues from a Republican premise not a Democrat premise.

We are at a political impasse and I really am tired of these back and forths. I think we should change the subject. But if other persons which to comment it would be awesome and I might take a rest.

[San Lumen]

His asylum laws made it harder to claim asylum and you had to do it from you own country. Thats a no go.

Deporting illegal immigrants is something almost anyone on the left could agree to but you simply can't deport everyone. We do not have the resources nor is it feasible.

Great point on your second point. The problem with your first point is if you make asylum easier you are not enforcing illegal immigration laws, you are enabling illegal immigration.

You have always told me, I don't represent Republicans, I cant speak for Republicans. But I can assure all of you this is what we think on it. Because I have attended many Republican party meetings where we have discussed the issues from a Republican premise not a Democrat premise.

We are at a political impasse and I really am tired of these back and forths. I think we should change the subject. But if other persons which to comment it would be awesome and I might take a rest.

Asylum isn't something anyone can claim and a fair number are declined. I see no reason why it should have to be done from your home country.

[Kowani]

Ohio sues the Cnsus Bureau because the data is late

[San Lumen]

Ohio sues the Cnsus Bureau because the data is late

Good maybe that will help get it out faster. The current timeline could completely upend the midterms.

[Gravlen]

Tell me what you want and ill tell you if im willing to exchange it.

1 - Keep President Trump's asylum laws, the deal with Mexico for example, I think this one covers a lot of ground.

Trump's asylum "laws" weren't laws, but executive orders which were in violation of the law.

he problem with your first point is if you make asylum easier you are not enforcing illegal immigration laws, you are enabling illegal immigration.

That's not true. Illegal immigration is not being enabled by having the asylum system follow already existing laws. It has no impact on illegal immigration, since you can present yourself at the border and claim asylum. You don't have to cross:

Generally, any foreign national present in the United States or arriving at a port of entry may seek asylum regardless of immigration status. Those seeking asylum must apply within one year from the date of last arrival or establish that an exception applies based on changed or extraordinary circumstances.

https://www.dhs.gov/sites/default/files/publications/Refugees_Asylees_2016_0.pdf

[Gravlen]

Great point on your second point. The problem with your first point is if you make asylum easier you are not enforcing illegal immigration laws, you are enabling illegal immigration.

You have always told me, I don't represent Republicans, I cant speak for Republicans. But I can assure all of you this is what we think on it. Because I have attended many Republican party meetings where we have discussed the issues from a Republican premise not a Democrat premise.

We are at a political impasse and I really am tired of these back and forths. I think we should change the subject. But if other persons which to comment it would be awesome and I might take a rest.

Asylum isn't something anyone can claim and a fair number are declined. I see no reason why it should have to be done from your home country.

Besides, the US already has a system where you can apply for refugee status from your home country.

[San Lumen]

Asylum isn't something anyone can claim and a fair number are declined. I see no reason why it should have to be done from your home country.

Besides, the US already has a system where you can apply for refugee status from your home country.

True. asylum and refugee are different though what the distinction is I do not know.

[Greater Miami Shores]

1 - Keep President Trump's asylum laws, the deal with Mexico for example, I think this one covers a lot of ground.

Trump's asylum "laws" weren't laws, but executive orders which were in violation of the law.

he problem with your first point is if you make asylum easier you are not enforcing illegal immigration laws, you are enabling illegal immigration.

That's not true. Illegal immigration is not being enabled by having the asylum system follow already existing laws. It has no impact on illegal immigration, since you can present yourself at the border and claim asylum. You don't have to cross:

Generally, any foreign national present in the United States or arriving at a port of entry may seek asylum regardless of immigration status. Those seeking asylum must apply within one year from the date of last arrival or establish that an exception applies based on changed or extraordinary circumstances.

https://www.dhs.gov/sites/default/files/publications/Refugees_Asylees_2016_0.pdf

lol, I want from S L President Trump's asylum laws from Mexico, which are awesome, this is what I asked for. If you guys cant give that what can you offer Republicans? lol, so President Trump's executive orders on immigration are unlawful, but Biden's executive orders are lawful?

[Kowani]

California is on track to miss its carbon reduction goals
because of course we are

Newsom is now being sued over all his approvals of oil and gas projects

[Vassenor]

The House has passed the Equality Act

Nah, the GOP is going to kill it because it doesn't ban abortion or trans athletes.

[San Lumen]

Trump's asylum "laws" weren't laws, but executive orders which were in violation of the law.

he problem with your first point is if you make asylum easier you are not enforcing illegal immigration laws, you are enabling illegal immigration.

That's not true. Illegal immigration is not being enabled by having the asylum system follow already existing laws. It has no impact on illegal immigration, since you can present yourself at the border and claim asylum. You don't have to cross:

Generally, any foreign national present in the United States or arriving at a port of entry may seek asylum regardless of immigration status. Those seeking asylum must apply within one year from the date of last arrival or establish that an exception applies based on changed or extraordinary circumstances.

https://www.dhs.gov/sites/default/files/publications/Refugees_Asylees_2016_0.pdf

lol, I want from S L President Trump's asylum laws from Mexico, which are awesome, this is what I asked for. If you guys cant give that what can you offer Republicans? lol, so President Trump's executive orders on immigration are unlawful, but Biden's executive orders are lawful?

You mean Biden and Congress. I’m not the president.

You were just told the flaws in your argument yet here we go you stick to your narrative and refuse to listen.

What is unlawful about Biden’s orders?

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

lol, so President Trump's executive orders on immigration are unlawful, but Biden's executive orders are lawful?

Rescinding illegitimate executive orders by the same mechanism is obviously legal. This is a no brainer mate. Or do you wish to keep the Japanese internment orders?