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Postby San Lumen » Sun Feb 14, 2021 7:13 pm

Post War America wrote:
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It was capped by statute therefore only a simply majority is needed and it would look really bad if Republicans tried to reduce the number once expanded.


Yeah, but it might look bad if the Dems raised it in the first place, and it might alienate those highly important moderate Republican voters.


Why would it alienate them? It's the right thing to do. It should have been expanded when Alaska and Hawaii were admitted

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Postby Omniabstracta » Sun Feb 14, 2021 7:14 pm

Post War America wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
It was capped by statute therefore only a simply majority is needed and it would look really bad if Republicans tried to reduce the number once expanded.


Yeah, but it might look bad if the Dems raised it in the first place, and it might alienate those highly important moderate Republican voters.

Yeah, it would secure the Democrats the House for the foreseeable future, but they’d probably lose the Senate for at least a few cycles. It’s unfortunate that a move towards more proportional representation in the body that’s supposedly the more representative one would be seen somehow as a powergrab, but meh.
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Postby Post War America » Sun Feb 14, 2021 7:17 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Post War America wrote:
Yeah, but it might look bad if the Dems raised it in the first place, and it might alienate those highly important moderate Republican voters.


Why would it alienate them? It's the right thing to do. It should have been expanded when Alaska and Hawaii were admitted


But what about those all important norms?
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Postby San Lumen » Sun Feb 14, 2021 7:18 pm

Post War America wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
Why would it alienate them? It's the right thing to do. It should have been expanded when Alaska and Hawaii were admitted


But what about those all important norms?


what norms?

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Postby Kowani » Sun Feb 14, 2021 7:20 pm

Abolitionism in the North has leagued itself with Radical Democracy, and so the Slave Power was forced to ally itself with the Money Power; that is the great fact of the age.




The triumph of the Democracy is essential to the struggle of popular liberty


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Postby Omniabstracta » Sun Feb 14, 2021 7:22 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Post War America wrote:
But what about those all important norms?


what norms?

Y’know, the ones that don’t really exist or matter unless a Democrat is the one breaking them.
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Postby Post War America » Sun Feb 14, 2021 7:25 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Post War America wrote:
But what about those all important norms?


what norms?


Omniabstracta wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
what norms?

Y’know, the ones that don’t really exist or matter unless a Democrat is the one breaking them.


^This basically

Like I'd love it if the Dems could at least crush the GOP when they hold power, but they seem deathly afraid of actually wielding power, and are far more concerned about Republicans think of them, than Republicans care about what Dems think of the GOP.
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Postby San Lumen » Sun Feb 14, 2021 7:25 pm

https://www.politico.com/states/new-yor ... or-1363471

Republican billionaire and stanch Trump supporter John Catsimatidis, who flirted with running for NYC mayor as a Democrat, will not jump into the crowded Democratic primary.

The supermarket magnate told POLITICO last month he was considering switching parties to jump into the Democratic field — disappointing Republicans who had hoped he would be their party’s standard bearer.

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Postby Shrillland » Sun Feb 14, 2021 7:42 pm

San Lumen wrote:https://www.politico.com/states/new-york/city-hall/story/2021/02/14/catsimatidis-wont-join-democratic-race-for-mayor-1363471

Republican billionaire and stanch Trump supporter John Catsimatidis, who flirted with running for NYC mayor as a Democrat, will not jump into the crowded Democratic primary.

The supermarket magnate told POLITICO last month he was considering switching parties to jump into the Democratic field — disappointing Republicans who had hoped he would be their party’s standard bearer.


Why doesn't he just join the Republicans, then? SIlwa's the only real competition, and it's not like it's utterly impossible for NYC to have a Republican Mayor.
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Postby San Lumen » Sun Feb 14, 2021 7:59 pm

Shrillland wrote:
San Lumen wrote:https://www.politico.com/states/new-york/city-hall/story/2021/02/14/catsimatidis-wont-join-democratic-race-for-mayor-1363471

Republican billionaire and stanch Trump supporter John Catsimatidis, who flirted with running for NYC mayor as a Democrat, will not jump into the crowded Democratic primary.

The supermarket magnate told POLITICO last month he was considering switching parties to jump into the Democratic field — disappointing Republicans who had hoped he would be their party’s standard bearer.


Why doesn't he just join the Republicans, then? SIlwa's the only real competition, and it's not like it's utterly impossible for NYC to have a Republican Mayor.


True but the party is backing supposedly backing Sara Tirschwell.

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Postby Eahland » Sun Feb 14, 2021 8:12 pm

San Lumen wrote:
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In that case, one can chalk it up to the Dems being afraid of actually wielding power, either that it or it takes more than a simple majority, and as previously said by multiple people, the GOP won't vote to radically reduce their political power, period.


It was capped by statute therefore only a simply majority is needed and it would look really bad if Republicans tried to reduce the number once expanded.

It can't be passed off as a budget measure, so it takes at least ten Republican votes in the Senate. Because fuck the filibuster, that's why.

And are you seriously pretending that it matters one whit to the party that just let their cult leader skate for literally attempting a coup against them how "bad" anything looks to anyone besides the murderous horde that put them in power?
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Sun Feb 14, 2021 8:23 pm

In a bizarrely strange move Biden starts touting gun control less than a full 24 hours after the impeachment trial. I just don't get the logic here, this can literally only help the GOP unite and go into 2022 stronger if it actually does become something they pursue. Maybe there's a strategy here but I'm really not seeing it. Especially with a pandemic still ongoing, there's way bigger fish to fry.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Sun Feb 14, 2021 8:23 pm

In a bizarrely strange move Biden starts touting gun control less than a full 24 hours after the impeachment trial. I just don't get the logic here, this can literally only help the GOP unite and go into 2022 stronger if it actually does become something they pursue. Maybe there's a strategy here but I'm really not seeing it. Especially with a pandemic still ongoing, there's way bigger fish to fry.
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Postby Omniabstracta » Sun Feb 14, 2021 8:40 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:In a bizarrely strange move Biden starts touting gun control less than a full 24 hours after the impeachment trial. I just don't get the logic here, this can literally only help the GOP unite and go into 2022 stronger if it actually does become something they pursue. Maybe there's a strategy here but I'm really not seeing it. Especially with a pandemic still ongoing, there's way bigger fish to fry.

It looks to me like they’re just acknowledging the Parkland anniversary and regurgitating their established platform points about gun control. Is there... a different time they’re supposed to talk about Parkland, aside from the anniversary?

Regardless of how one feels about the issue (I personally dislike significant portions of their stance), I don’t see another time they’re supposed to put out a statement like this, nor how it’s actively more harmful than when they campaigned on these exact policies.
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Postby The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp » Sun Feb 14, 2021 8:49 pm

We now have this first visual proof of American cons now suddenly careing about the nations national debt now that a president with a D next to his name is POTUS.


Just a reminder they didn't care at all about Trump adding 6 trillion dollars to the debt when he was in office.

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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Sun Feb 14, 2021 8:52 pm

Omniabstracta wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:In a bizarrely strange move Biden starts touting gun control less than a full 24 hours after the impeachment trial. I just don't get the logic here, this can literally only help the GOP unite and go into 2022 stronger if it actually does become something they pursue. Maybe there's a strategy here but I'm really not seeing it. Especially with a pandemic still ongoing, there's way bigger fish to fry.

It looks to me like they’re just acknowledging the Parkland anniversary and regurgitating their established platform points about gun control. Is there... a different time they’re supposed to talk about Parkland, aside from the anniversary?

Regardless of how one feels about the issue (I personally dislike significant portions of their stance), I don’t see another time they’re supposed to put out a statement like this, nor how it’s actively more harmful than when they campaigned on these exact policies.


It just feels tone deaf to me. America in 2021 is not the America of 2017. This shit should be so low on the administrations list of priorities that it scarcely even gets mentioned, if at all. Healthcare, pandemic aid, environmental action, debt relief, Wall Street regulations. There's a long list of things that are way more important than this and it's seemingly just jumping from one divisive thing (impeachment) to another (guns). It just seems like Joe wants a legacy instead of to actually do good for Americans.
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Postby Borderlands of Rojava » Sun Feb 14, 2021 9:16 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Omniabstracta wrote:It looks to me like they’re just acknowledging the Parkland anniversary and regurgitating their established platform points about gun control. Is there... a different time they’re supposed to talk about Parkland, aside from the anniversary?

Regardless of how one feels about the issue (I personally dislike significant portions of their stance), I don’t see another time they’re supposed to put out a statement like this, nor how it’s actively more harmful than when they campaigned on these exact policies.


It just feels tone deaf to me. America in 2021 is not the America of 2017. This shit should be so low on the administrations list of priorities that it scarcely even gets mentioned, if at all. Healthcare, pandemic aid, environmental action, debt relief, Wall Street regulations. There's a long list of things that are way more important than this and it's seemingly just jumping from one divisive thing (impeachment) to another (guns). It just seems like Joe wants a legacy instead of to actually do good for Americans.


They work for Wallstreet, not mainstreet, and gun control is how they neuter the populace even more along with shit like the Patriot Act.
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Postby Shrillland » Sun Feb 14, 2021 9:19 pm

Borderlands of Rojava wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
It just feels tone deaf to me. America in 2021 is not the America of 2017. This shit should be so low on the administrations list of priorities that it scarcely even gets mentioned, if at all. Healthcare, pandemic aid, environmental action, debt relief, Wall Street regulations. There's a long list of things that are way more important than this and it's seemingly just jumping from one divisive thing (impeachment) to another (guns). It just seems like Joe wants a legacy instead of to actually do good for Americans.


They work for Wallstreet, not mainstreet, and gun control is how they neuter the populace even more along with shit like the Patriot Act.


You have to remember, there's still a large chunk of the party, particularly in some minority communities, that have support for gun control in some capacity, it's one of the few things they and the elite corporate wing of the party agree on, albeit for different reasons.
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Postby Kowani » Sun Feb 14, 2021 10:30 pm

Abolitionism in the North has leagued itself with Radical Democracy, and so the Slave Power was forced to ally itself with the Money Power; that is the great fact of the age.




The triumph of the Democracy is essential to the struggle of popular liberty


Currently Rehabilitating: Martin Van Buren, Benjamin Harrison, and Woodrow Wilson
Currently Vilifying: George Washington, Theodore Roosevelt, and Jimmy Carter

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Postby Kowani » Sun Feb 14, 2021 10:41 pm

Abolitionism in the North has leagued itself with Radical Democracy, and so the Slave Power was forced to ally itself with the Money Power; that is the great fact of the age.




The triumph of the Democracy is essential to the struggle of popular liberty


Currently Rehabilitating: Martin Van Buren, Benjamin Harrison, and Woodrow Wilson
Currently Vilifying: George Washington, Theodore Roosevelt, and Jimmy Carter

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Postby Shrillland » Sun Feb 14, 2021 10:42 pm

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Postby Kowani » Sun Feb 14, 2021 10:49 pm

Shrillland wrote:
Kowani wrote:we know :p


but also
the AZGOP is fucking nuts


Oops, I don't always read every post. Sorry about that.

I know, I know

that said
the Arizona GOP is on its way to imploding, I think
the state's turning more purple-if slowly-and it's doubling down on the culture war lunacy
that's the opposite of what you want to do
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The triumph of the Democracy is essential to the struggle of popular liberty


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Postby Eahland » Sun Feb 14, 2021 11:56 pm

Kowani wrote:that said
the Arizona GOP is on its way to imploding, I think
the state's turning more purple-if slowly-and it's doubling down on the culture war lunacy
that's the opposite of what you want to do

The Republican Party as a whole's solution to pretty much everything for the last 25 years or so has been "WINGNUT HARDER!" That's how we've ended up in a situation where the Republican base lives in a world completely divorced from reality, and any motion towards objective reality even by their own causes them to cry "Traitor!"
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