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Postby Valrifell » Sun Feb 14, 2021 5:53 pm



Have to ask, why did Trump abolish a service that was designed to coordinate federal and local efforts?
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Postby Suriyanakhon » Sun Feb 14, 2021 5:55 pm

Kowani wrote:Lindsey Graham suggested Republicans will impeach Kamala Harris if the GOP takes control of the House 2022

n an interview with Fox News on Sunday, Mr Graham called Donald Trump’s impeachment trial “an affront to rule of law” that had “opened Pandora’s Box to future presidents”.

He said: “And if you use this model, I don’t know how Kamala Harris doesn’t get impeached if the Republicans take over the House.”


Graham's story ought to be a case study about how low one man can go in the name of staying relevant.
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Postby Shrillland » Sun Feb 14, 2021 6:00 pm

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Yes, well, we've had it for about 20 years minus Trump, and I don't think people are going to clamour for its removal when SCOTUS is unlikely to do so.
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Postby San Lumen » Sun Feb 14, 2021 6:20 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
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Oh, there's still no way she'd ever do that if she was so inclined, at least not given Georgia's trends. Kemp, on the other hand, will benefit from being in a first midterm with a lot of Democratic voters relaxing thinking that the immediate crisis is over so we'll be fine. It's mostly just political junkies like us who know that this is only a short breathing space.

Nah that’s not happening. Democrats are still pissed at kemp from what happened in 2018. Then you add what happened in 2020 and democrats are currently on fire. Basically the democrats are going to give everything they got to flip nearly all state wide seats. We saw that it was possible in 2020, democrats aren’t going to forget that

Also interesting side note apparently a lot of GOP voters are leaving the party in Maricopa County. That’s not good news for the republicans especially in a state they need to keep

I hope your right but you did call every election accurately in Georgia and hopefully it’s successful.

Regarding Arizona your correct. Maricopa is two thirds of the state population. It’s impossible to win a statewide election without it.
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Postby Rusozak » Sun Feb 14, 2021 6:23 pm

Valrifell wrote:


Have to ask, why did Trump abolish a service that was designed to coordinate federal and local efforts?


Hard to say, but a cursory glance has me thinking it was just a matter of branding and ego. Obama gave the organization its current name, and Trump has a weird hate boner for anything remotely associated with Obama.
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Hmm, it would be nice to see Puerto Rico become a State: it would be swingy though lean to the Democrats. That said, I would imagine a few Republicans would vote yes; I think you only need a simple majority to become a State. I believe Puerto Rico would have like 6 Electoral votes I think, which means 102 Senators and 439 Representatives; the total EC Vote with DC would be 544 which means a candidate would need 273 electoral votes to win.
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Postby San Lumen » Sun Feb 14, 2021 6:49 pm

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Hmm, it would be nice to see Puerto Rico become a State: it would be swingy though lean to the Democrats. That said, I would imagine a few Republicans would vote yes; I think you only need a simple majority to become a State. I believe Puerto Rico would have like 6 Electoral votes I think, which means 102 Senators and 439 Representatives; the total EC Vote with DC would be 544 which means a candidate would need 273 electoral votes to win.

You are correct. Only a simple majority is required for statehood.

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Postby Shrillland » Sun Feb 14, 2021 6:50 pm

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Hmm, it would be nice to see Puerto Rico become a State: it would be swingy though lean to the Democrats. That said, I would imagine a few Republicans would vote yes; I think you only need a simple majority to become a State. I believe Puerto Rico would have like 6 Electoral votes I think, which means 102 Senators and 439 Representatives; the total EC Vote with DC would be 544 which means a candidate would need 273 electoral votes to win.


Depends when statehood's achieved. If it's before the redistricting data's distributed, the census bureau will just readjust the data to take out an extra four mainland districts. If it's after, then we will see a 439-member House until the 2030 census.
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Postby San Lumen » Sun Feb 14, 2021 6:52 pm

Shrillland wrote:
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Hmm, it would be nice to see Puerto Rico become a State: it would be swingy though lean to the Democrats. That said, I would imagine a few Republicans would vote yes; I think you only need a simple majority to become a State. I believe Puerto Rico would have like 6 Electoral votes I think, which means 102 Senators and 439 Representatives; the total EC Vote with DC would be 544 which means a candidate would need 273 electoral votes to win.


Depends when statehood's achieved. If it's before the redistricting data's distributed, the census bureau will just readjust the data to take out an extra four mainland districts. If it's after, then we will see a 439-member House until the 2030 census.


You dont think Congress would permanently expand the size of the House? That would make the most sense.

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Postby A-Series-Of-Tubes » Sun Feb 14, 2021 6:54 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Regarding Arizona your correct. Maricopa is two thirds of the state population. It’s impossible to win a statewide election without it.


Do they assign all votes for each county to the majority winner? 'Cos otherwise that makes no sense.
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Postby Post War America » Sun Feb 14, 2021 6:54 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Shrillland wrote:
Depends when statehood's achieved. If it's before the redistricting data's distributed, the census bureau will just readjust the data to take out an extra four mainland districts. If it's after, then we will see a 439-member House until the 2030 census.


You dont think Congress would permanently expand the size of the House? That would make the most sense.


It didn't when Alaska and Hawai'i joined, and tbqh, the current cap on seats benefits Republicans so there's no way a bill to change congressional size would get past the Senate.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Sun Feb 14, 2021 6:55 pm

Post War America wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
You dont think Congress would permanently expand the size of the House? That would make the most sense.


It didn't when Alaska and Hawai'i joined, and tbqh, the current cap on seats benefits Republicans so there's no way a bill to change congressional size would get past the Senate.


This^

The GOP will never allow the size of Congress to change. That only harms them.
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Postby Omniabstracta » Sun Feb 14, 2021 6:55 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Shrillland wrote:
Depends when statehood's achieved. If it's before the redistricting data's distributed, the census bureau will just readjust the data to take out an extra four mainland districts. If it's after, then we will see a 439-member House until the 2030 census.


You dont think Congress would permanently expand the size of the House? That would make the most sense.


The size of the House has been capped since 1929, and they didn’t bother to change that when Alaska and Hawaii were admitted, so I don’t see why they would bother for Puerto Rico. It’s a dumb and demonstrably undemocratic provision, but it is what it is.
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Postby San Lumen » Sun Feb 14, 2021 6:56 pm

A-Series-Of-Tubes wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
Regarding Arizona your correct. Maricopa is two thirds of the state population. It’s impossible to win a statewide election without it.


Do they assign all votes for each county to the majority winner? 'Cos otherwise that makes no sense.


What do mean? Your question makes no sense either.

Maricopa County is two thirds of the state population, If you do not carry it in a statewide election you cannot win.

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Postby Zurkerx » Sun Feb 14, 2021 7:01 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Zurkerx wrote:
Hmm, it would be nice to see Puerto Rico become a State: it would be swingy though lean to the Democrats. That said, I would imagine a few Republicans would vote yes; I think you only need a simple majority to become a State. I believe Puerto Rico would have like 6 Electoral votes I think, which means 102 Senators and 439 Representatives; the total EC Vote with DC would be 544 which means a candidate would need 273 electoral votes to win.

You are correct. Only a simple majority is required for statehood.


And in both chambers too. Should pass somewhat easily though the likes of Manchin and Sinema are the ones to watch; maybe Sanders since AOC apparently doesn't support Statehood.

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Hmm, it would be nice to see Puerto Rico become a State: it would be swingy though lean to the Democrats. That said, I would imagine a few Republicans would vote yes; I think you only need a simple majority to become a State. I believe Puerto Rico would have like 6 Electoral votes I think, which means 102 Senators and 439 Representatives; the total EC Vote with DC would be 544 which means a candidate would need 273 electoral votes to win.


Depends when statehood's achieved. If it's before the redistricting data's distributed, the census bureau will just readjust the data to take out an extra four mainland districts. If it's after, then we will see a 439-member House until the 2030 census.


I see. In that case, I don't suspect Puerto Rico's Statehood would be taken up soon, at least, not until the rest of Biden's cabinet as well as his COVID and Economic bills are passed.
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Postby A-Series-Of-Tubes » Sun Feb 14, 2021 7:02 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Shrillland wrote:
Depends when statehood's achieved. If it's before the redistricting data's distributed, the census bureau will just readjust the data to take out an extra four mainland districts. If it's after, then we will see a 439-member House until the 2030 census.


You dont think Congress would permanently expand the size of the House? That would make the most sense.


The more they increase the number the more equal in population the middling-state districts all get. However even doubling the number doesn't much affect the disparities, where they're worst (1 and 2 district states become 2, 3 and 4). Even higher numbers begin to look good, and also make prop-rep practical in smallish states. However I'm not sure how the voters would like 1000+ reps.
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Postby San Lumen » Sun Feb 14, 2021 7:02 pm

Omniabstracta wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
You dont think Congress would permanently expand the size of the House? That would make the most sense.


The size of the House has been capped since 1929, and they didn’t bother to change that when Alaska and Hawaii were admitted, so I don’t see why they would bother for Puerto Rico. It’s a dumb and demonstrably undemocratic provision, but it is what it is.

It only a takes a simple majority to change it.

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Postby A-Series-Of-Tubes » Sun Feb 14, 2021 7:04 pm

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Do they assign all votes for each county to the majority winner? 'Cos otherwise that makes no sense.


What do mean? Your question makes no sense either.

Maricopa County is two thirds of the state population, If you do not carry it in a statewide election you cannot win.


If you get 49% of the vote in Maricopa, how much of the vote elsewhere do you need to still win?

52%
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Postby Post War America » Sun Feb 14, 2021 7:07 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Omniabstracta wrote:
The size of the House has been capped since 1929, and they didn’t bother to change that when Alaska and Hawaii were admitted, so I don’t see why they would bother for Puerto Rico. It’s a dumb and demonstrably undemocratic provision, but it is what it is.

It only a takes a simple majority to change it.


In that case, one can chalk it up to the Dems being afraid of actually wielding power, either that it or it takes more than a simple majority, and as previously said by multiple people, the GOP won't vote to radically reduce their political power, period.
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Postby San Lumen » Sun Feb 14, 2021 7:07 pm

A-Series-Of-Tubes wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
What do mean? Your question makes no sense either.

Maricopa County is two thirds of the state population, If you do not carry it in a statewide election you cannot win.


If you get 49% of the vote in Maricopa, how much of the vote elsewhere do you need to still win?

52%


the odds of pulling that off is very low given how the rest of the counties in the state vote. Maricopa is the only county other than Yuma that is competitive.

Only once a Presidential candidate won Arizona without carrying Maricopa. Clinton in 1996 is only Presidential candidate in history to win without carrying Maricopa.

I doubt any statewide official has in a long time but I dont feel like going through it all.
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Postby San Lumen » Sun Feb 14, 2021 7:08 pm

Post War America wrote:
San Lumen wrote:It only a takes a simple majority to change it.


In that case, one can chalk it up to the Dems being afraid of actually wielding power, either that it or it takes more than a simple majority, and as previously said by multiple people, the GOP won't vote to radically reduce their political power, period.


It was capped by statute therefore only a simply majority is needed and it would look really bad if Republicans tried to reduce the number once expanded.

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Postby Post War America » Sun Feb 14, 2021 7:11 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Post War America wrote:
In that case, one can chalk it up to the Dems being afraid of actually wielding power, either that it or it takes more than a simple majority, and as previously said by multiple people, the GOP won't vote to radically reduce their political power, period.


It was capped by statute therefore only a simply majority is needed and it would look really bad if Republicans tried to reduce the number once expanded.


Yeah, but it might look bad if the Dems raised it in the first place, and it might alienate those highly important moderate Republican voters.
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