Thermodolia wrote:Kowani wrote:Georgia state bar sends disciplinary complaint to Lin Wood
should really stop with the insanity
Word on the street is that he’s gonna get disbarred
as he should be.
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by San Lumen » Sun Feb 14, 2021 3:42 pm
Thermodolia wrote:Kowani wrote:Georgia state bar sends disciplinary complaint to Lin Wood
should really stop with the insanity
Word on the street is that he’s gonna get disbarred

by Kowani » Sun Feb 14, 2021 3:59 pm
n an interview with Fox News on Sunday, Mr Graham called Donald Trump’s impeachment trial “an affront to rule of law” that had “opened Pandora’s Box to future presidents”.
He said: “And if you use this model, I don’t know how Kamala Harris doesn’t get impeached if the Republicans take over the House.”
Abolitionism in the North has leagued itself with Radical Democracy, and so the Slave Power was forced to ally itself with the Money Power; that is the great fact of the age.

by Vassenor » Sun Feb 14, 2021 4:03 pm
Kowani wrote:Lindsey Graham suggested Republicans will impeach Kamala Harris if the GOP takes control of the House 2022n an interview with Fox News on Sunday, Mr Graham called Donald Trump’s impeachment trial “an affront to rule of law” that had “opened Pandora’s Box to future presidents”.
He said: “And if you use this model, I don’t know how Kamala Harris doesn’t get impeached if the Republicans take over the House.”

by San Lumen » Sun Feb 14, 2021 4:07 pm
Kowani wrote:Lindsey Graham suggested Republicans will impeach Kamala Harris if the GOP takes control of the House 2022n an interview with Fox News on Sunday, Mr Graham called Donald Trump’s impeachment trial “an affront to rule of law” that had “opened Pandora’s Box to future presidents”.
He said: “And if you use this model, I don’t know how Kamala Harris doesn’t get impeached if the Republicans take over the House.”

by A-Series-Of-Tubes » Sun Feb 14, 2021 4:18 pm
San Lumen wrote:Kowani wrote:Lindsey Graham suggested Republicans will impeach Kamala Harris if the GOP takes control of the House 2022n an interview with Fox News on Sunday, Mr Graham called Donald Trump’s impeachment trial “an affront to rule of law” that had “opened Pandora’s Box to future presidents”.
He said: “And if you use this model, I don’t know how Kamala Harris doesn’t get impeached if the Republicans take over the House.”
And you wont get the 67 votes to convict. Plus he seems to be implying impeaching someone for actions from before they were president. I dont see how thats going to fly and wouldnt backfire massively.

by San Lumen » Sun Feb 14, 2021 4:21 pm
A-Series-Of-Tubes wrote:San Lumen wrote:
And you wont get the 67 votes to convict. Plus he seems to be implying impeaching someone for actions from before they were president. I dont see how thats going to fly and wouldnt backfire massively.
"High crimes and misdemeanors" has no time limit other than "before now".
Gulp. It has no time limit at all. Nobody tell Lindsey!

by A-Series-Of-Tubes » Sun Feb 14, 2021 4:22 pm
Kowani wrote:Lindsey Graham suggested Republicans will impeach Kamala Harris if the GOP takes control of the House 2022n an interview with Fox News on Sunday, Mr Graham called Donald Trump’s impeachment trial “an affront to rule of law” that had “opened Pandora’s Box to future presidents”.
He said: “And if you use this model, I don’t know how Kamala Harris doesn’t get impeached if the Republicans take over the House.”


by Shrillland » Sun Feb 14, 2021 4:22 pm

by San Lumen » Sun Feb 14, 2021 4:29 pm
Shrillland wrote:San Lumen wrote:
If Republicans want to destroy their brand even further this is a great way to do it.
You've said it yourself. They don't care about the brand anymore, they just want the power. The party has turned into a Condorist movement with Trump playing the role of Mi General.
What we need to do, and what we won't do because we'd need both parties to agree that a problem exists, is amend the constitution to make it possible to indict the president by defining executive privilege and immunity and creating mechanisms to strip immunity of necessary.

by Shrillland » Sun Feb 14, 2021 4:31 pm
San Lumen wrote:Shrillland wrote:
You've said it yourself. They don't care about the brand anymore, they just want the power. The party has turned into a Condorist movement with Trump playing the role of Mi General.
What we need to do, and what we won't do because we'd need both parties to agree that a problem exists, is amend the constitution to make it possible to indict the president by defining executive privilege and immunity and creating mechanisms to strip immunity of necessary.
I agree. The president should not be immune from indictment and hopefully the late census data doesnt throw the midterms into chaos as many states will likely miss their deadlines for redistricting.

by San Lumen » Sun Feb 14, 2021 4:33 pm
Shrillland wrote:San Lumen wrote:
I agree. The president should not be immune from indictment and hopefully the late census data doesnt throw the midterms into chaos as many states will likely miss their deadlines for redistricting.
Fortunately, since there's no presidential race next year, the states can get away with having later primaries for this one time, I'm sure they can pass laws making dispensations for that sort of thing.

by A-Series-Of-Tubes » Sun Feb 14, 2021 4:33 pm
Neutraligon wrote:Weird question, what happens to a person who is elected president while serving in state prison for an extended sentence.

by Shrillland » Sun Feb 14, 2021 4:37 pm
San Lumen wrote:Shrillland wrote:
Fortunately, since there's no presidential race next year, the states can get away with having later primaries for this one time, I'm sure they can pass laws making dispensations for that sort of thing.
In some states its complicated though and if the legislature can't meet the deadline in goes to the courts. I believe that's how it works in Illinois.

by Shrillland » Sun Feb 14, 2021 4:38 pm
A-Series-Of-Tubes wrote:Neutraligon wrote:Weird question, what happens to a person who is elected president while serving in state prison for an extended sentence.
I notice you qualified with "state" prison to avoid the obvious answer of a self-Pardon. I think the State governor would have an unpleasant choice between a Governor's pardon for the new President, or building a nice facility within the state where the President is technically imprisoned but still has some dignity for meeting staff and congress-perps and foreign digitforays.
Doing it right would be the new President getting no special treatment at all in State prison. That way any crime while in office would also be a crime while in prison. And that means TWO WEEKS IN THE HOLE!!!

by San Lumen » Sun Feb 14, 2021 4:43 pm
Shrillland wrote:San Lumen wrote:
In some states its complicated though and if the legislature can't meet the deadline in goes to the courts. I believe that's how it works in Illinois.
You are correct, but our biggest problem will likely be which district to get rid of, the rest of the districts won't change that much. I thought it would be my own 18th, but I'm now leaning more towards the 13th being swallowed up. The Dems won't do anything that might see Kinzinger primaried against another incumbent, he's become too valuable as a dissident for that.
Shrillland wrote:A-Series-Of-Tubes wrote:
I notice you qualified with "state" prison to avoid the obvious answer of a self-Pardon. I think the State governor would have an unpleasant choice between a Governor's pardon for the new President, or building a nice facility within the state where the President is technically imprisoned but still has some dignity for meeting staff and congress-perps and foreign digitforays.
Doing it right would be the new President getting no special treatment at all in State prison. That way any crime while in office would also be a crime while in prison. And that means TWO WEEKS IN THE HOLE!!!
Depends on the state. Despite her best efforts, the last thing we need is for him to be imprisoned in Georgia when we can't be sure that Kemp won't win re-election. Kemp may well be cowed into giving him a pardon.

by Shrillland » Sun Feb 14, 2021 4:46 pm
San Lumen wrote:Shrillland wrote:
You are correct, but our biggest problem will likely be which district to get rid of, the rest of the districts won't change that much. I thought it would be my own 18th, but I'm now leaning more towards the 13th being swallowed up. The Dems won't do anything that might see Kinzinger primaried against another incumbent, he's become too valuable as a dissident for that.
ah ok. Thats good to know. Its probably not the best source but Daily Kos was freaking out about the idea of congressional and legislative lines going to the courts in your state.Shrillland wrote:
Depends on the state. Despite her best efforts, the last thing we need is for him to be imprisoned in Georgia when we can't be sure that Kemp won't win re-election. Kemp may well be cowed into giving him a pardon.
Why would Kemp pardon him?

by San Lumen » Sun Feb 14, 2021 4:47 pm
Shrillland wrote:San Lumen wrote:ah ok. Thats good to know. Its probably not the best source but Daily Kos was freaking out about the idea of congressional and legislative lines going to the courts in your state.
Why would Kemp pardon him?
Why would any of the Republicans who hate him still vote to keep him from impeachment or conviction? Never underestimate the power of an angry, armed mob, we did that already on January 6. Remember, this is the same state that has given our august legislature MTG.

by Shrillland » Sun Feb 14, 2021 4:49 pm
San Lumen wrote:Shrillland wrote:
Why would any of the Republicans who hate him still vote to keep him from impeachment or conviction? Never underestimate the power of an angry, armed mob, we did that already on January 6. Remember, this is the same state that has given our august legislature MTG.
I doubt she could win a statewide election but I dont take any election for granted anymore.

by San Lumen » Sun Feb 14, 2021 4:52 pm
Shrillland wrote:San Lumen wrote:
I doubt she could win a statewide election but I dont take any election for granted anymore.
Oh, there's still no way she'd ever do that if she was so inclined, at least not given Georgia's trends. Kemp, on the other hand, will benefit from being in a first midterm with a lot of Democratic voters relaxing thinking that the immediate crisis is over so we'll be fine. It's mostly just political junkies like us who know that this is only a short breathing space.

by The Black Forrest » Sun Feb 14, 2021 5:16 pm
Kowani wrote:Lindsey Graham suggested Republicans will impeach Kamala Harris if the GOP takes control of the House 2022n an interview with Fox News on Sunday, Mr Graham called Donald Trump’s impeachment trial “an affront to rule of law” that had “opened Pandora’s Box to future presidents”.
He said: “And if you use this model, I don’t know how Kamala Harris doesn’t get impeached if the Republicans take over the House.”

by Vassenor » Sun Feb 14, 2021 5:21 pm
The Black Forrest wrote:Kowani wrote:Lindsey Graham suggested Republicans will impeach Kamala Harris if the GOP takes control of the House 2022n an interview with Fox News on Sunday, Mr Graham called Donald Trump’s impeachment trial “an affront to rule of law” that had “opened Pandora’s Box to future presidents”.
He said: “And if you use this model, I don’t know how Kamala Harris doesn’t get impeached if the Republicans take over the House.”
Meh. Graham does as told.

by Thermodolia » Sun Feb 14, 2021 5:41 pm
Shrillland wrote:A-Series-Of-Tubes wrote:
I notice you qualified with "state" prison to avoid the obvious answer of a self-Pardon. I think the State governor would have an unpleasant choice between a Governor's pardon for the new President, or building a nice facility within the state where the President is technically imprisoned but still has some dignity for meeting staff and congress-perps and foreign digitforays.
Doing it right would be the new President getting no special treatment at all in State prison. That way any crime while in office would also be a crime while in prison. And that means TWO WEEKS IN THE HOLE!!!
Depends on the state. Despite her best efforts, the last thing we need is for him to be imprisoned in Georgia when we can't be sure that Kemp won't win re-election. Kemp may well be cowed into giving him a pardon.

by Thermodolia » Sun Feb 14, 2021 5:42 pm
Shrillland wrote:San Lumen wrote:ah ok. Thats good to know. Its probably not the best source but Daily Kos was freaking out about the idea of congressional and legislative lines going to the courts in your state.
Why would Kemp pardon him?
Why would any of the Republicans who hate him still vote to keep him from impeachment or conviction? Never underestimate the power of an angry, armed mob, we did that already on January 6. Remember, this is the same state that has given our august legislature MTG.

by Thermodolia » Sun Feb 14, 2021 5:46 pm
Shrillland wrote:San Lumen wrote:
I doubt she could win a statewide election but I dont take any election for granted anymore.
Oh, there's still no way she'd ever do that if she was so inclined, at least not given Georgia's trends. Kemp, on the other hand, will benefit from being in a first midterm with a lot of Democratic voters relaxing thinking that the immediate crisis is over so we'll be fine. It's mostly just political junkies like us who know that this is only a short breathing space.

by Kowani » Sun Feb 14, 2021 5:48 pm
Abolitionism in the North has leagued itself with Radical Democracy, and so the Slave Power was forced to ally itself with the Money Power; that is the great fact of the age.
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