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Postby Borderlands of Rojava » Sun Feb 14, 2021 2:35 pm

Western Fardelshufflestein wrote:
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Could Trump be considered a terrorist?


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He spent four years actively encouraging violence for political reasons. If he isn't a terrorist, he sure as hell was terrorism's creatine supplement.
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Postby New haven america » Sun Feb 14, 2021 2:36 pm

Zurkerx wrote:Okay, since there has been some ideas being thrown around to label the Republican Party as a terrorist organization, it's important to note what the definition is, especially in the US, on what Terrorism is according to the FBI:

Terrorism Definitions

International terrorism: Violent, criminal acts committed by individuals and/or groups who are inspired by, or associated with, designated foreign terrorist organizations or nations (state-sponsored).

Domestic terrorism: Violent, criminal acts committed by individuals and/or groups to further ideological goals stemming from domestic influences, such as those of a political, religious, social, racial, or environmental nature.


I'm not entirely sure if the whole party could be labeled as such. Certainly, its subgroups can but the whole party? That would be a stretch.

Thermodolia wrote:Yup. She started off her career as the DA who took down the corrupt Atlanta City Schools. She has nothing to lose and everything to gain by putting the screws on Trump and Co


Well then, let's see what she can dig up then.

Yep, sounds like the GOP to me.
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Postby Istoreya » Sun Feb 14, 2021 2:40 pm

Greater Miami Shores wrote:
Istoreya wrote:And that makes him... what? Worthy of jailtime? Worthy of being prevented from holding political office? That's ridiculous, and believing that he should be punished for agreeing that Trump caused the violence (which a reminder, was the majority vote) suggests a lack of ability to handle people holding different opinions who identify as on your side, which is... a little sad.

The current Senate balance is 50 Democrats and 50 Republicans. It was a partisan based majority vote of 50 Democrats and 7 minority Republicans. Since it adds up to 57 votes to 43 votes it is a majority vote. The law is they need a 67 majority vote, 50 Democrats and 17 Republicans.

This applies to the Democrats too, in politics it works both ways, in politics everything works both ways: If 7 Democrats would have voted to aquit Republican President Trump, their base would be angry, challenge them on the primaries and they might or might not win the general election.

I posted about this in details, the short version, as Republicans Representatives they should vote as their base wishes them too. If they don't vote the way their base wishes them too, their base is going to be angry, challenge them on the primaries and they might or might not win the primary or might or might not win the general election, because they did not vote the way their bases wishes, they were elected to represent their base.

I have not said Mitch McConnell needs to go to jail, it is ridiculous to even think so.

The 67 votes is called a supermajority. There were still more votes for convicting him than for not, it was still a majority, just not a supermajority.

What do you even hope to achieve by calling McConnell a traitor if you don't think anything should be done about it? Traitor is a strong word and not the kind of thing you use lightly, certainly not one you use if you don't think a person should face consequences for their traitorous actions. Example: No-one who calls Trump a traitor wants him acquitted. Except McConnell who is playing this weird middle ground but that's beside the point really.
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Postby Greater Miami Shores » Sun Feb 14, 2021 2:41 pm

Another Person telling other Persons on NS to not engage with me GMS. Why? I think it is because I refuse to agree with their Pro Trump views. I think the evidence is very clear. They have a Problem with me GMS Posting Pro Trump Posts. We are all on NS to share our views Pro and Cons with each other, with respect, while strongly disagreeing with each other,

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Postby Istoreya » Sun Feb 14, 2021 2:43 pm

New haven america wrote:
Zurkerx wrote:Okay, since there has been some ideas being thrown around to label the Republican Party as a terrorist organization, it's important to note what the definition is, especially in the US, on what Terrorism is according to the FBI:

Terrorism Definitions

International terrorism: Violent, criminal acts committed by individuals and/or groups who are inspired by, or associated with, designated foreign terrorist organizations or nations (state-sponsored).

Domestic terrorism: Violent, criminal acts committed by individuals and/or groups to further ideological goals stemming from domestic influences, such as those of a political, religious, social, racial, or environmental nature.


I'm not entirely sure if the whole party could be labeled as such. Certainly, its subgroups can but the whole party? That would be a stretch.



Well then, let's see what she can dig up then.

Yep, sounds like the GOP to me.

I feel like this definition is missing something. I feel like it should mention somewhere that people who let terrorists get away with terrorism are also terrorists. And I don't mean in a "stood by and did nothing because there was nothing they could do" kind of way. I mean in a "was given the opportunity to convict a terrorist and voted not to do so" kind of way.

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Postby Greater Miami Shores » Sun Feb 14, 2021 2:46 pm

Istoreya wrote:
Greater Miami Shores wrote:The current Senate balance is 50 Democrats and 50 Republicans. It was a partisan based majority vote of 50 Democrats and 7 minority Republicans. Since it adds up to 57 votes to 43 votes it is a majority vote. The law is they need a 67 majority vote, 50 Democrats and 17 Republicans.

This applies to the Democrats too, in politics it works both ways, in politics everything works both ways: If 7 Democrats would have voted to aquit Republican President Trump, their base would be angry, challenge them on the primaries and they might or might not win the general election.

I posted about this in details, the short version, as Republicans Representatives they should vote as their base wishes them too. If they don't vote the way their base wishes them too, their base is going to be angry, challenge them on the primaries and they might or might not win the primary or might or might not win the general election, because they did not vote the way their bases wishes, they were elected to represent their base.

I have not said Mitch McConnell needs to go to jail, it is ridiculous to even think so.

The 67 votes is called a supermajority. There were still more votes for convicting him than for not, it was still a majority, just not a supermajority.

What do you even hope to achieve by calling McConnell a traitor if you don't think anything should be done about it? Traitor is a strong word and not the kind of thing you use lightly, certainly not one you use if you don't think a person should face consequences for their traitorous actions. Example: No-one who calls Trump a traitor wants him acquitted. Except McConnell who is playing this weird middle ground but that's beside the point really.

As I explained in details, 50 Democrats out of 50 Democrats, they are not Pro Trump, they are not Pro Republicans, they are Pro Democrats. 7 Republicans out of 50 Republicans, adds to a majority of 57 mostly along party lines. Not bipartisan majority, as the leftist, anti Trump media portrays it. I think we can all at least agree on these points?
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Postby Neutraligon » Sun Feb 14, 2021 2:46 pm

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Greater Miami Shores wrote:Another Person telling other Persons on NS to not engage with me GMS. Why? I think it is because I refuse to agree with their Pro Trump views. I think the evidence is very clear. They have a Problem with me GMS Posting Pro Trump Posts. We are all on NS to share our views Pro and Cons with each other, with respect, while strongly disagreeing with each other,

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Nope, it has to do with your style of posing nd the fact that not once have you actually replied to people or answered questions. For example you have never actually explained what it is you like about trump. What policies of his have you supported? Why do you support them. Do you have any issues with him? Why do you think of McConnel and Republicans who disagree with you as traitors rather then people who hold a different opinion? Why do you insist on loyalty to a person rather then to party or country? Why do you insist that those who oppose you all sycophantically follow the opposition, despite so many of them disliking Biden and the Democrats? People do not respond to you not because you like Trump, but because you refuse to talk about why, refuse to go into more depth besides saying it is your opinion and you have the right to hold it (no one is saying you don't), and continue to be verbose while saying nothing.
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Postby Istoreya » Sun Feb 14, 2021 2:50 pm

Greater Miami Shores wrote:
Istoreya wrote:The 67 votes is called a supermajority. There were still more votes for convicting him than for not, it was still a majority, just not a supermajority.

What do you even hope to achieve by calling McConnell a traitor if you don't think anything should be done about it? Traitor is a strong word and not the kind of thing you use lightly, certainly not one you use if you don't think a person should face consequences for their traitorous actions. Example: No-one who calls Trump a traitor wants him acquitted. Except McConnell who is playing this weird middle ground but that's beside the point really.

As I explained in details, 50 Democrats out of 50 Democrats, they are not Pro Trump, they are not Pro Republicans, they are Pro Democrats. 7 Republicans out of 50 Republicans, adds to a majority of 57 mostly along party lines. Not bipartisan majority, as the leftist, anti Trump media portrays it. I think we can all at least agree on these points?

Yes. 50 Democrats and 7 Republicans makes 57. Simple addition. Now if we do some subtraction, 100 - 57 is 43.
57 is more than 43. More people wanted to convict him.

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Postby Borderlands of Rojava » Sun Feb 14, 2021 2:51 pm

It'll never cease to amaze me that people gave their lives and killed others for the worst president in American history. This man stood by and let covid kill thousands while saying "it'll go away someday guys," and he used federal agents and the national guard against peaceful demonstrators and somehow he was worth losing ones life for.
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Postby San Lumen » Sun Feb 14, 2021 2:54 pm

Greater Miami Shores wrote:
Istoreya wrote:And that makes him... what? Worthy of jailtime? Worthy of being prevented from holding political office? That's ridiculous, and believing that he should be punished for agreeing that Trump caused the violence (which a reminder, was the majority vote) suggests a lack of ability to handle people holding different opinions who identify as on your side, which is... a little sad.

The current Senate balance is 50 Democrats and 50 Republicans. It was a partisan based majority vote of 50 Democrats and 7 minority Republicans. Since it adds up to 57 votes to 43 votes it is a majority vote. The law is they need a 67 majority vote, 50 Democrats and 17 Republicans.

This applies to the Democrats too, in politics it works both ways, in politics everything works both ways: If 7 Democrats would have voted to aquit Republican President Trump, their base would be angry, challenge them on the primaries and they might or might not win the general election.

I posted about this in details, the short version, as Republicans Representatives they should vote as their base wishes them too. If they don't vote the way their base wishes them too, their base is going to be angry, challenge them on the primaries and they might or might not win the primary or might or might not win the general election, because they did not vote the way their bases wishes, they were elected to represent their base.

I have not said Mitch McConnell needs to go to jail, it is ridiculous to even think so.

But you think any republican who didn't vote for him is a not a true Republican or any congress member or senator who voted certify the election, voted for impeachment or conviction is a traitor (which does not meet the definition of the word) and should face a primary next election. Tell me how this not a cult or dictatorial wannabe when you demanding absolute loyalty to one person? That's not democracy that is dictatorship and cult of personality.

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Genivaria wrote:
New haven america wrote:1. Which is why we have posts of you actively saying you would've loved to be in Washington on the 6th? And that you even booked a trip there but it got canceled.
2. Yes they were. Majority of Congress agrees they were.

I really don't know why ya'll continue to engage with him.


I will admit a mix of boredom and anger at facebook. Lost my account to a hacker and all their "solutions" don't work and you can't contact ANYBODY.

You are right though. I am going back to ignoring his copy/paste style of posting.....
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Postby San Lumen » Sun Feb 14, 2021 2:58 pm

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/5 ... ayors-race

Yang hits donation requirements to get city funds in NYC mayor's race. Yang is the current frontrunner for the Democratic nomination and to win the general election.

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Postby Borderlands of Rojava » Sun Feb 14, 2021 2:58 pm

San Lumen wrote:https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/538836-yang-hits-donation-requirements-to-get-city-funds-in-nyc-mayors-race

Yang hits donation requirements to get city funds in NYC mayor's race. Yang is the current frontrunner for the Democratic nomination and to win the general election.


So the money will make money for him.
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Postby San Lumen » Sun Feb 14, 2021 3:02 pm

https://thehill.com/homenews/sunday-tal ... gainst-gop

Rahm Emanuel predicts Trump will seek retribution against GOP opponents, won't run for reelection.

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Postby Genivaria » Sun Feb 14, 2021 3:02 pm

The Black Forrest wrote:
Genivaria wrote:I really don't know why ya'll continue to engage with him.


I will admit a mix of boredom and anger at facebook. Lost my account to a hacker and all their "solutions" don't work and you can't contact ANYBODY.

You are right though. I am going back to ignoring his copy/paste style of posting.....

The only reason I'm aware of his continued inane posts are because people keep treating them as worthy of engagement, instead of the copy/paste bullshit they are.
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Postby Maineiacs » Sun Feb 14, 2021 3:13 pm

San Lumen wrote:https://thehill.com/homenews/sunday-talk-shows/538819-rahm-emanuel-predicts-trump-will-pursue-retribution-against-gop

Rahm Emanuel predicts Trump will seek retribution against GOP opponents, won't run for reelection.



He's half right.
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Maineiacs wrote:
San Lumen wrote:https://thehill.com/homenews/sunday-talk-shows/538819-rahm-emanuel-predicts-trump-will-pursue-retribution-against-gop

Rahm Emanuel predicts Trump will seek retribution against GOP opponents, won't run for reelection.



He's half right.


Which one is he wrong about?

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Postby Maineiacs » Sun Feb 14, 2021 3:16 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Maineiacs wrote:

He's half right.


Which one is he wrong about?



About Trump not running in 2024.
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Postby Neutraligon » Sun Feb 14, 2021 3:17 pm

Weird question, what happens to a person who is elected president while serving in state prison for an extended sentence.
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Postby Maineiacs » Sun Feb 14, 2021 3:23 pm

Neutraligon wrote:Weird question, what happens to a person who is elected president while serving in state prison for an extended sentence.





https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eugene_V._Debs
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Postby Fartsniffage » Sun Feb 14, 2021 3:26 pm

Neutraligon wrote:Weird question, what happens to a person who is elected president while serving in state prison for an extended sentence.


The rest of the world looks at the US with pity and hilarity ensues as world leaders have to go through prison security to meet with the US President. It is expected that the NK delegation gets a finger up the bum on the assumption that they would be smuggling a cell phone so Trump can text love messages to Dear Leader.
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Kowani wrote:Georgia state bar sends disciplinary complaint to Lin Wood

should really stop with the insanity

Word on the street is that he’s gonna get disbarred
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Postby Kowani » Sun Feb 14, 2021 3:38 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
Kowani wrote:Georgia state bar sends disciplinary complaint to Lin Wood

should really stop with the insanity

Word on the street is that he’s gonna get disbarred

that would not surprise me in the slightest
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