American Politics IV: 1400 Reasons Why(A Stimulus Serial)

[Kowani]

Haha fuck this state

Utility companies owe millions to the California Public Utilities Commission. There’s just one small problem-The agency does not keep track of who owes money, how much they owe, or take many of the necessary steps to collect it

[Greater Miami Shores]

GMS:

Again, we strongly disagree on Republican President Trump. I don't have any problems that we strongly disagree on this issue.

Wasted words as you have well established you have no problems with anything the ex-president does.

No you are 100 % wrong. I have stated on 2 or more of my posts, I wish I could have gone with my Cuban and American friends, they did not storm the Capitol Building or commit any acts of violence and neither would I.

It is irrelevant that you and your friends didn't attack the capitol. The fact remains many did and many have said they did it because of what the ex-president said.

They were not influenced by speech or President Trump to commit any violence.

The ones who attacked the capital were influenced by the ex-presidents words. Many if not all arrested have stated this.

President Trump said Protest Peacefully and Patriotically. Not Protest violently.

That is a lie. He grudgingly tweeted that two hours after the fact. They have him on tape being all happy and giddy the attack was going on.

I have condemned the violence on the Capitol Building. I have condemned the bad cops who killed black African Americans like George Floyd.

That's nice. It really doesn't have any value when you defend the ex-president and his efforts to motivate the attack.

I condemned right violence and left wing violence by those certain few persons who participated in the violence in Democrat run cities with Democrat mayor. I have condemned both sides.

Alberto - GMS.

And again; it really doesn't mean anything when you give a pass to the guy stoking the flames.

Here we go again over the same issues.

1 - I have said I condemned the right wingers who committed violence at the Capitol Building. I asked you what I ask many persons have you condemned right wing violence and left wing violence, and you may add your comments? I have.

2 - I have stated, most Protestors and my friends at the Rally did not
participate in any kind of violence, I think you and I and the others can at least agree on this point? I said most, I did not say any did not.

3 - I stated, most protestors were not influenced to commit any acts of violence by the speech and Republican President Trump. I add the word Republican for emphasis. I think you and I and the others can at least agree on this point? I said most, I did not say any did not.

I am very bad at using the post quotes system, I really am tech stupid:
Posted by the Black Forrest.
That's nice. It really doesn't have any value when you defend the ex-president and his efforts to motivate the attack.

4 I have stated to you I condemned the attacks and acts of violence, so I don't support it. But we strongly disagree if Republican President Trump is guilty or not guilty of the Charges by the Democrats? When I say we I mean most Republican Trump supporters who are not committing any violence across the nation of The USA.

5 - Posted by The Black Forrest:
Wasted words as you have well established you have no problems with anything the ex-president does.

I have posted in the past and perhaps to you directly, I strongly disagree with President Trump on his betray of the Kurds. I think Kurdistan can be and should be an oil rich, strong military power allied to the USA like Israel.

I have posted in the past, and perhaps to you directly, I strongly disagree with President Trump's soft policy on North Korea, I used to work with 2 North Koreans, A Vietnamese Lady and a Nicaraguan Lady that lived under the Sandinista Communist Socialists of the time, she was sent to Cuba as a so called volunteer agricultural worker, there is more to the story.

We used to talk in English on one hour break, and share stories of our nations, North Korea, Vietnam, Sandinista Communist Socialist Nicaragua and Cuba and we found out we have a lot in common. They were good friends of mine at work because we shared this and had a lot in common.

I have posted I am strongly against President Trump's policy on Afghanistan, thinking the Taliban can deal fairly and honestly.

Question 5 - Do you agree with President Trump on certain issues, on which issues do you agree with President Trump on, so I can learn?

6 - And again; it really doesn't mean anything when you give a pass to the guy stoking the flames. This is your opinion and of millions of persons who strongly agree with you, and those who strongly agree with me have the opposite opinion

I respect your rights to all your views and your rights to post them to me and any one on NS.

Thank you for this chat.

Alberto.

[Alcala-Cordel]

Pretty much nothing's changed with the ICE concentration camps, meaning things are still really bad. But whatever, enjoy your brunch.

[Salus Maior]

Pretty much nothing's changed with the ICE concentration camps, meaning things are still really bad. But whatever, enjoy your brunch.

Well, they were put in place under the Obama/Biden administration as I understand it. And Biden's in charge.

[Valrifell]

Pretty much nothing's changed with the ICE concentration camps, meaning things are still really bad. But whatever, enjoy your brunch.

Who - exactly - in this thread do you think is not taking the issue seriously?

[Thermodolia]

In case it wasn’t already posted the Georgia investigation into Trump has now expanded with Sen Graham now under investigation.

[The Reformed American Republic]

A different take from Proud Republican Trump supporters, Traitor Mitch McConell. He needs to retire or be replaced.

Alberto.

This is the kind of talk that made the capitol attack happen.

Ideologically similar.

[Thermodolia]

Then we ban the GOP and declare it a terrorist organization. It's a win-win.

lets not do that

Why? If the GOP wants to act like a terrorist organization and attempt coups against the government then they shouldn’t be surprised when the government treats them like terrorists

[Zurkerx]

In case it wasn’t already posted the Georgia investigation into Trump has now expanded with Sen Graham now under investigation.

Yeah, it has been posted about. Not sure how big of a topic it is in Georgia though. What's the reaction to said investigation? And do you think Trump and or Graham will get in trouble?

[Vassenor]

Pretty much nothing's changed with the ICE concentration camps, meaning things are still really bad. But whatever, enjoy your brunch.

Who - exactly - in this thread do you think is not taking the issue seriously?

Biden didn't wave a magic wand and fix it on day 1 so he's the worst POTUS ever.

[New haven america]

Yes he did.

Oh wait, you actually wanted to be at the capital riot helping to install him as a dictator.

So no only do you support dictatorships, you wanted to actively participate in installing one.

Again, we strongly disagree on Republican President Trump. I don't have any problems that we strongly disagree on this issue.

1. No you are 100 % wrong. I have stated on 2 or more of my posts, I wish I could have gone with my Cuban and American friends, they did not storm the Capitol Building or commit any acts of violence and neither would I.

2. They were not influenced by speech or President Trump to commit any violence. President Trump said Protest Peacefully and Patriotically. Not Protest violently.

I have condemned the violence on the Capitol Building. I have condemned the bad cops who killed black African Americans like George Floyd.

I condemned right violence and left wing violence by those certain few persons who participated in the violence in Democrat run cities with Democrat mayor. I have condemned both sides.

Alberto - GMS.

1. Which is why we have posts of you actively saying you would've loved to be in Washington on the 6th? And that you even booked a trip there but it got canceled.
2. Yes they were. Majority of Congress agrees they were.

[New haven america]

Then we ban the GOP and declare it a terrorist organization. It's a win-win.

lets not do that

But they are.

[Thermodolia]

Then we ban the GOP and declare it a terrorist organization. It's a win-win.

Who exactly are you expecting to make that declaration? The same people who can't get an absurdly incompetent wannabe dictator like Trump to suffer even the mildest consequences for his many, many crimes? The next Trump need only make a token show of civility and Pelosi will hand him a Get Out Of Impeachment Free card.

First off a majority of the senate voted to convict, it’s not their fault that the rules say a supermajority is needed. Second the president can actually declare any organization to be a terrorist group, also Congress. Third Trump is under investigation by three different states and cities. New York wants him for tax fraud, Georgia wants him for election fraud, and a city in Florida wants him for lease violations.

The idea that Trump will escape justice is laughably silly. Especially considering that Trump himself is scared he’s going to jail

[Thermodolia]

In case it wasn’t already posted the Georgia investigation into Trump has now expanded with Sen Graham now under investigation.

Yeah, it has been posted about. Not sure how big of a topic it is in Georgia though. What's the reaction to said investigation? And do you think Trump and or Graham will get in trouble?

Oh definitely. The current DA in charge is used to taking down corrupt officials. She’s not going to rest until they are behind bars

[Zurkerx]

Who exactly are you expecting to make that declaration? The same people who can't get an absurdly incompetent wannabe dictator like Trump to suffer even the mildest consequences for his many, many crimes? The next Trump need only make a token show of civility and Pelosi will hand him a Get Out Of Impeachment Free card.

First off a majority of the senate voted to convict, it’s not their fault that the rules say a supermajority is needed. Second the president can actually declare any organization to be a terrorist group, also Congress. Third Trump is under investigation by three different states and cities. New York wants him for tax fraud, Georgia wants him for election fraud, and a city in Florida wants him for lease violations.

The idea that Trump will escape justice is laughably silly. Especially considering that Trump himself is scared he’s going to jail

Wait, there's an investigation in Florida now? I was aware a golf course did wanted to end their lease after the riots but there's potential violations? That's new to me. Anyway, yeah, a majority- a bipartisan one for that fact- did convict him; probably should be a 60 vote majority instead of the 67 vote.

However, I'm pretty sure the President can only declare foreign groups as terrorists, not domestic ones given First Amendment issues; there's no law I'm aware of that allows the President to declare domestic groups like the KKK as Terrorists. Congress would be different but I can't see any Republicans voting for such a matter and that would likely lead to violent riots/attacks. That said, if they continue such activities, then it maybe warranted.

Yeah, it has been posted about. Not sure how big of a topic it is in Georgia though. What's the reaction to said investigation? And do you think Trump and or Graham will get in trouble?

Oh definitely. The current DA in charge is used to taking down corrupt officials. She’s not going to rest until they are behind bars

The woman from Fulton, right? Hopefully it leads to charges and then conviction: I feel there's enough there.

[The Black Forrest]

*SNIP*

You really have to look at things outside the echo chamber. Manu Raju recently tweeted this from McConnell

McConnell with toughest criticism of Trump. Says of rioters:
"They did this because they been fed wild falsehoods by the most powerful man on earth," saying it's "disgraceful derilication of duty" and he's "practically and morally responsible for provoking the events of the day"


https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa- ... SKBN2AD0OG

[Thermodolia]

First off a majority of the senate voted to convict, it’s not their fault that the rules say a supermajority is needed. Second the president can actually declare any organization to be a terrorist group, also Congress. Third Trump is under investigation by three different states and cities. New York wants him for tax fraud, Georgia wants him for election fraud, and a city in Florida wants him for lease violations.

The idea that Trump will escape justice is laughably silly. Especially considering that Trump himself is scared he’s going to jail

Wait, there's an investigation in Florida now? I was aware a golf course did wanted to end their lease after the riots but there's potential violations? That's new to me. Anyway, yeah, a majority- a bipartisan one for that fact- did convict him; probably should be a 60 vote majority instead of the 67 vote.

However, I'm pretty sure the President can only declare foreign groups as terrorists, not domestic ones given First Amendment issues; there's no law I'm aware of that allows the President to declare domestic groups like the KKK as Terrorists. Congress would be different but I can't see any Republicans voting for such a matter and that would likely lead to violent riots/attacks. That said, if they continue such activities, then it maybe warranted.

Oh definitely. The current DA in charge is used to taking down corrupt officials. She’s not going to rest until they are behind bars

The woman from Fulton, right? Hopefully it leads to charges and then conviction: I feel there's enough there.

Yup. She started off her career as the DA who took down the corrupt Atlanta City Schools. She has nothing to lose and everything to gain by putting the screws on Trump and Co

[Greater Miami Shores]

This is the kind of talk that made the capitol attack happen.

Ideologically similar.

Mitch McConnel is a traitor as far as the Proud Republican Trump supporters who committed acts of violence are concerned.

Mitch McConnell is a traitor as far as most of the Proud Republican Trump supporters who did not commit and have not committed any acts of violence are concerned, like my friends at the Trump rally.

[Istoreya]

Ideologically similar.

Mitch McConnel is a traitor as far as the Proud Republican Trump supporters who committed acts of violence are concerned.

Mitch McConnell is a traitor as far as most of the Proud Republican Trump supporters who did not commit and have not committed any acts of violence are concerned, like my friends at the Trump rally.

And that makes him... what? Worthy of jailtime? Worthy of being prevented from holding political office? That's ridiculous, and believing that he should be punished for agreeing that Trump caused the violence (which a reminder, was the majority vote) suggests a lack of ability to handle people holding different opinions who identify as on your side, which is... a little sad.

[Vassenor]

Ideologically similar.

Mitch McConnel is a traitor as far as the Proud Republican Trump supporters who committed acts of violence are concerned.

Mitch McConnell is a traitor as far as most of the Proud Republican Trump supporters who did not commit and have not committed any acts of violence are concerned, like my friends at the Trump rally.

See, this is just adding more fuel to the idea that the GOP has become a Trump-centric dictatorship. Loyalty to Country and to the Constitution comes before Loyalty to Trump. That's how it works.

[Zurkerx]

Okay, since there has been some ideas being thrown around to label the Republican Party as a terrorist organization, it's important to note what the definition is, especially in the US, on what Terrorism is according to the FBI:

Terrorism Definitions

International terrorism: Violent, criminal acts committed by individuals and/or groups who are inspired by, or associated with, designated foreign terrorist organizations or nations (state-sponsored).

Domestic terrorism: Violent, criminal acts committed by individuals and/or groups to further ideological goals stemming from domestic influences, such as those of a political, religious, social, racial, or environmental nature.

I'm not entirely sure if the whole party could be labeled as such. Certainly, its subgroups can but the whole party? That would be a stretch.

Yup. She started off her career as the DA who took down the corrupt Atlanta City Schools. She has nothing to lose and everything to gain by putting the screws on Trump and Co

Well then, let's see what she can dig up then.

[Borderlands of Rojava]

Okay, since there has been some ideas being thrown around to label the Republican Party as a terrorist organization, it's important to note what the definition is, especially in the US, on what Terrorism is according to the FBI:

Terrorism Definitions

International terrorism: Violent, criminal acts committed by individuals and/or groups who are inspired by, or associated with, designated foreign terrorist organizations or nations (state-sponsored).

Domestic terrorism: Violent, criminal acts committed by individuals and/or groups to further ideological goals stemming from domestic influences, such as those of a political, religious, social, racial, or environmental nature.

I'm not entirely sure if the whole party could be labeled as such. Certainly, its subgroups can but the whole party? That would be a stretch.

Yup. She started off her career as the DA who took down the corrupt Atlanta City Schools. She has nothing to lose and everything to gain by putting the screws on Trump and Co

Well then, let's see what she can dig up then.

Could Trump be considered a terrorist?

[Western Fardelshufflestein]

Okay, since there has been some ideas being thrown around to label the Republican Party as a terrorist organization, it's important to note what the definition is, especially in the US, on what Terrorism is according to the FBI:

Terrorism Definitions

International terrorism: Violent, criminal acts committed by individuals and/or groups who are inspired by, or associated with, designated foreign terrorist organizations or nations (state-sponsored).

Domestic terrorism: Violent, criminal acts committed by individuals and/or groups to further ideological goals stemming from domestic influences, such as those of a political, religious, social, racial, or environmental nature.

I'm not entirely sure if the whole party could be labeled as such. Certainly, its subgroups can but the whole party? That would be a stretch.



Well then, let's see what she can dig up then.

Could Trump be considered a terrorist?

[Greater Miami Shores]

Mitch McConnel is a traitor as far as the Proud Republican Trump supporters who committed acts of violence are concerned.

Mitch McConnell is a traitor as far as most of the Proud Republican Trump supporters who did not commit and have not committed any acts of violence are concerned, like my friends at the Trump rally.

And that makes him... what? Worthy of jailtime? Worthy of being prevented from holding political office? That's ridiculous, and believing that he should be punished for agreeing that Trump caused the violence (which a reminder, was the majority vote) suggests a lack of ability to handle people holding different opinions who identify as on your side, which is... a little sad.

The current Senate balance is 50 Democrats and 50 Republicans. It was a partisan based majority vote of 50 Democrats and 7 minority Republicans. Since it adds up to 57 votes to 43 votes it is a majority vote. The law is they need a 67 majority vote, 50 Democrats and 17 Republicans.

This applies to the Democrats too, in politics it works both ways, in politics everything works both ways: If 7 Democrats would have voted to aquit Republican President Trump, their base would be angry, challenge them on the primaries and they might or might not win the general election.

I posted about this in details, the short version, as Republicans Representatives they should vote as their base wishes them too. If they don't vote the way their base wishes them too, their base is going to be angry, challenge them on the primaries and they might or might not win the primary or might or might not win the general election, because they did not vote the way their bases wishes, they were elected to represent their base.

I have not said Mitch McConnell needs to go to jail, it is ridiculous to even think so.

[Genivaria]

Again, we strongly disagree on Republican President Trump. I don't have any problems that we strongly disagree on this issue.

1. No you are 100 % wrong. I have stated on 2 or more of my posts, I wish I could have gone with my Cuban and American friends, they did not storm the Capitol Building or commit any acts of violence and neither would I.

2. They were not influenced by speech or President Trump to commit any violence. President Trump said Protest Peacefully and Patriotically. Not Protest violently.

I have condemned the violence on the Capitol Building. I have condemned the bad cops who killed black African Americans like George Floyd.

I condemned right violence and left wing violence by those certain few persons who participated in the violence in Democrat run cities with Democrat mayor. I have condemned both sides.

Alberto - GMS.

1. Which is why we have posts of you actively saying you would've loved to be in Washington on the 6th? And that you even booked a trip there but it got canceled.
2. Yes they were. Majority of Congress agrees they were.

I really don't know why ya'll continue to engage with him.