American Politics IV: 1400 Reasons Why(A Stimulus Serial)

[Greater Miami Shores]

We have reasons to reject Democrat Talking Points from Democrat Politicians and Pro Democrat leftists media against Republican President Trump and the Republicans.

You might well have ‘reasons’ in much the same way that a toddler has ‘reasons’ to break a flowerpot.

They exist? Sure.

They make Sense? Only to you.

lol and your reasons don't make sense only to you and you guys?

[Greater Miami Shores]

Surely it can't be that hard. It's only a cursory form of ID, but here in NZ every registered voter is sent an EasyVote card prior to an election. You take the card, give it to the guy/gal, vote and then leave. (Yes, you can go without it). Even then if you went with a more identity enforcing system, how hard would it be to ask an adult to present their drivers licence/passport/birth certificate/work ID at the voting booth?

It can be. The most common form of license in the US is a driver's license or a simple ID similar to a driver's license. To get these licenses you need to go to your state DMV. If you want something called a real ID, which can be used for air travel within the US, then you need
1 of
(a current US passport, birth certificate, certificate of citizenship, certificate of naturalization, Consular Report of Birth Abroad, Permanent Resident Card, Employment Authorization Card, Foreign Passport with unexpired visa and valid I-94 issued by DHS)
An African American would most likely only have 1 of the first 2, but to get a passport you need either the birth certificate or a government issued ID (like a driver's license among other things). A passport can easily cost more then 100 dollars, and for those living paycheck to paycheck that is a lot of money. To get a birth certificate it costs around 30 dollars to get the first copy. You also need to bring in 1 of the following (Social Security Card, a recent W2, a 1099 form, or a paystub). Then you must also prove that you live in the state which can be very hard for the homeless.

So you need all those documents, and then you need to get to the DMV. Problem is most DMVs have shitty hours and long lines, and a lot of the ones that are issuing IDs are some distance away since they need space for the driver's course. So now you have the issue of getting there. Better hope that you have friends who can drive you, there is good public transportation, or a taxi service. The later 2 of course add more cost to the already expensive ID. Then of course you have to wait in line at the DMV, which is infamous for how long the lines are. And of course there is the fee for the license, which is an additional 40 dollars depending on where you live. So most likely you would have had to take a day off from work that you cannot afford to get a license to vote that is already expensive.

It is logical to have voter IDs with Pics to vote, if you need to charge for it, charge for it. According to this source not me, most of the states that allow illegals to get driver licenses are Democrat states. But if any state allows illegals to get driver licenses and you only have to show your driver license to vote than any illegals can vote, than any Democrats committing vote fraud have illegals voting.

https://www.ncsl.org/research/immigrati ... %20rows%20

[Neutraligon]

It can be. The most common form of license in the US is a driver's license or a simple ID similar to a driver's license. To get these licenses you need to go to your state DMV. If you want something called a real ID, which can be used for air travel within the US, then you need
1 of
(a current US passport, birth certificate, certificate of citizenship, certificate of naturalization, Consular Report of Birth Abroad, Permanent Resident Card, Employment Authorization Card, Foreign Passport with unexpired visa and valid I-94 issued by DHS)
An African American would most likely only have 1 of the first 2, but to get a passport you need either the birth certificate or a government issued ID (like a driver's license among other things). A passport can easily cost more then 100 dollars, and for those living paycheck to paycheck that is a lot of money. To get a birth certificate it costs around 30 dollars to get the first copy. You also need to bring in 1 of the following (Social Security Card, a recent W2, a 1099 form, or a paystub). Then you must also prove that you live in the state which can be very hard for the homeless.

So you need all those documents, and then you need to get to the DMV. Problem is most DMVs have shitty hours and long lines, and a lot of the ones that are issuing IDs are some distance away since they need space for the driver's course. So now you have the issue of getting there. Better hope that you have friends who can drive you, there is good public transportation, or a taxi service. The later 2 of course add more cost to the already expensive ID. Then of course you have to wait in line at the DMV, which is infamous for how long the lines are. And of course there is the fee for the license, which is an additional 40 dollars depending on where you live. So most likely you would have had to take a day off from work that you cannot afford to get a license to vote that is already expensive.

It is logical to have voter IDs with Pics to vote, if you need to charge for it, charge for it. According to this source not me, most of the states that allow illegals to get driver licenses are Democrat states. But if any state allows illegals to get driver licenses and you only have to show your driver license to vote than any illegals can vote, than any Democrats committing vote fraud have illegals voting.

https://www.ncsl.org/research/immigrati ... %20rows%20

Voter ID is only one step in the process to vote, you also have to register to vote, which have their own requirements. Voter ID only comes into play when a person is physically at the voting booth.

[Greater Miami Shores]

It is logical to have voter IDs with Pics to vote, if you need to charge for it, charge for it. According to this source not me, most of the states that allow illegals to get driver licenses are Democrat states. But if any state allows illegals to get driver licenses and you only have to show your driver license to vote than any illegals can vote, than any Democrats committing vote fraud have illegals voting.

https://www.ncsl.org/research/immigrati ... %20rows%20

Voter ID is only one step in the process to vote, you also have to register to vote, which have their own requirements. Voter ID only comes into play when a person is physically at the voting booth.

Holy Heck NS Batman Good Point.

[Kilobugya]

Do you have any references from legitimate news sites that are posting fake news and/or lies? I would love to see evidence

"Legitimate news sites" very often have a biased and partial reporting of events, but very rarely contain totally fake news or lie about facts. Sadly many people don't realize that distinction.

Has OAN posted/released anything recently questionable for reference?

OANN is like Fox News that don't even try to pretend they are a serious news network anymore. They're full of conspiracy theories about the 2020 election being stolen, about Covid being a hoax, ...

I, we and us strongly agree with this - The Georgia law requires a photo ID in order to vote absentee by mail, and we want all persons in all states to have a photo voting ID.

We and I would strongly disagree, so you are saying we don't need voter IDs, just trust anyone who says I am a citizen and I can vote on this election? Citizens or not they can say I can vote on this election, that election and many elections?

So in order to fix a problem that doesn't exist (there is no evidence whatsoever of election fraud that would be fixed by that) you'll make it harder to vote for people, ensuring that people who are in less comfortable situations (poorer, more complicated work schedule, less educated, ...) can't vote, because it's the only way your party can win an election despite being in the minority about all important topics (universal healthcare, fighting climate change, taxing the rich, justice reform, stricter gun control, LGBT rights, ...) ?

And if you really absolutely want a voter ID with photo, but without doing vote suppression, you can just do it like we do it here in France. Issue a national ID card for free to every citizen, and automatically register them as voters when they turn 18. But republicans won't do that, because the purpose is making it harder for people, especially certain kind of people, to vote. Not prevent fraud.

You and you guys say I never post an anti Trump Post, but you guys never Post a Pro Trump Post, so we are even.

No, the equivalent of you never criticizing Trump would us never criticizing Biden, and we do.

[Greater Miami Shores]

Do you have any references from legitimate news sites that are posting fake news and/or lies? I would love to see evidence

"Legitimate news sites" very often have a biased and partial reporting of events, but very rarely contain totally fake news or lie about facts. Sadly many people don't realize that distinction.

Has OAN posted/released anything recently questionable for reference?

OANN is like Fox News that don't even try to pretend they are a serious news network anymore. They're full of conspiracy theories about the 2020 election being stolen, about Covid being a hoax, ...

I, we and us strongly agree with this - The Georgia law requires a photo ID in order to vote absentee by mail, and we want all persons in all states to have a photo voting ID.

We and I would strongly disagree, so you are saying we don't need voter IDs, just trust anyone who says I am a citizen and I can vote on this election? Citizens or not they can say I can vote on this election, that election and many elections?

So in order to fix a problem that doesn't exist (there is no evidence whatsoever of election fraud that would be fixed by that) you'll make it harder to vote for people, ensuring that people who are in less comfortable situations (poorer, more complicated work schedule, less educated, ...) can't vote, because it's the only way your party can win an election despite being in the minority about all important topics (universal healthcare, fighting climate change, taxing the rich, justice reform, stricter gun control, LGBT rights, ...) ?

And if you really absolutely want a voter ID with photo, but without doing vote suppression, you can just do it like we do it here in France. Issue a national ID card for free to every citizen, and automatically register them as voters when they turn 18. But republicans won't do that, because the purpose is making it harder for people, especially certain kind of people, to vote. Not prevent fraud.

You and you guys say I never post an anti Trump Post, but you guys never Post a Pro Trump Post, so we are even.

No, the equivalent of you never criticizing Trump would us never criticizing Biden, and we do.

I strongly agree with you, like I have said in the past, the right spins it to the right and the left spins it to the left, strange leftists on NS don't agree with me on this point, lol.

There are Republican Talking Points and Democrat Talking Points.

The Republicans are not Political Saints. But the Democrats are not Political Saints either.

Strange leftists don't agree with me on these points.

I think all the election points that I have posted on this thread sound logical and are logical.

But you guys never Praise Republican President Trump, I have never seen any Pro Trump Posts from the leftists who criticize me for never Posting an anti Trump Post.

[The Alma Mater]

voter ID is in place in some circumstance
what i object to here is placing onerous voter ID requirements on a process that did not previously have it and suffered no fraud
you misunderstand
the problem is not "Voter ID in principle"
the problem is "voter ID in the hands of the Republicans"
you see, they have a history of...abusing it
as the courts found, "targeting blacks with almost surgical precison"
and considering that the rest of this bill has been in egregiously bad faith, there's no indication to believe that they would flip on this particular issue

Well as for the rest of the bill, as you can look back I had my points of agreement and condemnation. But there are points I disagree with in it. As for Voter ID, ceasing fire. I was mostly flying my banner for it on principle, as for VID with Republicans... well, not getting in to that.

Why not ? It is after all the core of the problem - Republicans do not want everyone to vote. They even openly state that. They take pride in making voting hard; especially for groups that would not vote for them.

Voter ID laws an sich: fine.
Voter ID laws for the explicit goal of suppressing votes: not fine.

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If it were free to get an ID, if there were enough government offices in enough places so that no one had to travel too far to go get theirs, if people who couldn't afford or didn't have access to transportation were issued vouchers to pay for ride shares or whatever means to get there, and if it were mandated by law that every employer must give their employee paid time off if they need to go get an ID, maybe then we could resolve this issue.

But the Republicans won't offer any of those things, because they could give a fuck about election security/integrity whatever, they want to suppress the vote.

[Comerciante]

I strongly agree with you, like I have said in the past, the right spins it to the right and the left spins it to the left, strange leftists on NS don't agree with me on this point, lol.

There are Republican Talking Points and Democrat Talking Points.

The Republicans are not Political Saints. But the Democrats are not Political Saints either.

Strange leftists don't agree with me on these points.

I think all the election points that I have posted on this thread sound logical and are logical.

But you guys never Praise Republican President Trump, I have never seen any Pro Trump Posts from the leftists who criticize me for never Posting an anti Trump Post.

You keep pushing this narrative that leftists never prosecute the left, despite the long list of skeptics who are still prosecuting Biden for not pushing faster for a lot of things and constantly trying to push for reconciliation with the Republicans despite the dedicated nature of them trying to pull out all the stops of tripping everything he tries to push despite the fact that Biden could easily walk past him as long as he trusts his fellow democrats to vote by the party.

Nobody here disagrees with the fact that Democrats and Republicans are full of shit. Only you seem to be pushing this angle, or are incapable of reading.

We are not obligated to give Trump credit if there is nothing to give him credit for, despite the fact that someone already pointed out that people have agreed to things like his Supreme Court picks.

[Kilobugya]

The Republicans are not Political Saints. But the Democrats are not Political Saints either.

Fallacy of gray. Because there is absolute black nor absolute white doesn't mean there is a unique shade of gray. But if you do read this (and other) threads you'll see plenty of leftists (me included) criticizing the democrats (or at least many of them) on a regular basis. That we (usually) prefer them over the republicans doesn't mean we blindly support them everytime. Something which is rare to see from the MAGA crowd, criticism of "your own" when they err.

I think all the election points that I have posted on this thread sound logical and are logical.

They are "logical" when your purpose is to wrestle a way for a party whose agenda is rejected by a vast majority of the population to remain in power nonetheless by preventing people to vote. They are not "logical" at all if your purpose is to allow free and fair elections.

But you guys never Praise Republican President Trump, I have never seen any Pro Trump Posts from the leftists who criticize me for never Posting an anti Trump Post.

Why would I praise a sociopath responsible of hundred of thousands of deaths, constantly lying, praising deliberate cruelty and white supremacists, supporting a violent attempt to overthrow the elected government and appoint himself as dictator for life ?

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"Legitimate news sites" very often have a biased and partial reporting of events, but very rarely contain totally fake news or lie about facts. Sadly many people don't realize that distinction.



OANN is like Fox News that don't even try to pretend they are a serious news network anymore. They're full of conspiracy theories about the 2020 election being stolen, about Covid being a hoax, ...





So in order to fix a problem that doesn't exist (there is no evidence whatsoever of election fraud that would be fixed by that) you'll make it harder to vote for people, ensuring that people who are in less comfortable situations (poorer, more complicated work schedule, less educated, ...) can't vote, because it's the only way your party can win an election despite being in the minority about all important topics (universal healthcare, fighting climate change, taxing the rich, justice reform, stricter gun control, LGBT rights, ...) ?

And if you really absolutely want a voter ID with photo, but without doing vote suppression, you can just do it like we do it here in France. Issue a national ID card for free to every citizen, and automatically register them as voters when they turn 18. But republicans won't do that, because the purpose is making it harder for people, especially certain kind of people, to vote. Not prevent fraud.



No, the equivalent of you never criticizing Trump would us never criticizing Biden, and we do.

I strongly agree with you, like I have said in the past, the right spins it to the right and the left spins it to the left, strange leftists on NS don't agree with me on this point, lol.

There are Republican Talking Points and Democrat Talking Points.

The Republicans are not Political Saints. But the Democrats are not Political Saints either.

Strange leftists don't agree with me on these points.

I think all the election points that I have posted on this thread sound logical and are logical.

But you guys never Praise Republican President Trump, I have never seen any Pro Trump Posts from the leftists who criticize me for never Posting an anti Trump Post.

Trump had the government back off the moronic vaping flavor ban and he didn't bomb as many people as the neocons wanted him to, and he expanded "compassionate use" for unapproved drugs, which while admittedely will result in greedy drug companies ripping people off with snake oil, is still the right thing to do because a person should always be able to take any drug they want.

There, 3 good things Trump did, from a radical leftist.

[Kilobugya]

There, 3 good things Trump did, from a radical leftist.

These are more "bad things he abstained to do while some pushed him to do them"

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There, 3 good things Trump did, from a radical leftist.

These are more "bad things he abstained to do while some pushed him to do them"

Yeah well I certainly did not mean to imply that the bar isn't abysmally low. Indeed, every time I read about Biden I think of that famous protest sign: "our expectations for you were low but holy fuck."

[Greater Miami Shores]

The Republicans are not Political Saints. But the Democrats are not Political Saints either.

Fallacy of gray. Because there is absolute black nor absolute white doesn't mean there is a unique shade of gray. But if you do read this (and other) threads you'll see plenty of leftists (me included) criticizing the democrats (or at least many of them) on a regular basis. That we (usually) prefer them over the republicans doesn't mean we blindly support them everytime. Something which is rare to see from the MAGA crowd, criticism of "your own" when they err.

I think all the election points that I have posted on this thread sound logical and are logical.

They are "logical" when your purpose is to wrestle a way for a party whose agenda is rejected by a vast majority of the population to remain in power nonetheless by preventing people to vote. They are not "logical" at all if your purpose is to allow free and fair elections.

But you guys never Praise Republican President Trump, I have never seen any Pro Trump Posts from the leftists who criticize me for never Posting an anti Trump Post.

Why would I praise a sociopath responsible of hundred of thousands of deaths, constantly lying, praising deliberate cruelty and white supremacists, supporting a violent attempt to overthrow the elected government and appoint himself as dictator for life ?

Posted by Kilobugya:
Why would I praise a sociopath responsible of hundred of thousands of deaths, constantly lying, praising deliberate cruelty and white supremacists, supporting a violent attempt to overthrow the elected government and appoint himself as dictator for life ?

Posted by Greater Miami Shores:
Here we go again back to First Base: different persons strongly disagree with you guys and Ladies: Millions of us strongly disagree with you guys and ladies.

[Kilobugya]

Here we go again back to First Base: different persons strongly disagree with you guys and Ladies: Millions of us strongly disagree with you guys and ladies.

You're perfectly allowed to disagree, but just stating that you disagree without giving any reason why (what is wrong in my description of Trump, apart from omitting many other crimes such as bragging about sexual assault and tax fraud ?) isn't of much use in a discussion forum.

[Kowani]

It is Infrastructure Week

President Joe Biden will unveil his vision for a mass ramp-up in U.S. infrastructure spending Wednesday in Pittsburgh, a city the White House views as a prime example of an old manufacturing hub revitalized by new industries from health care to technology.


Brian Deese, one of Biden’s top economic aides, told senior congressional Democrats on Tuesday that the infrastructure package would amount to about $2 trillion over eight years, according to a person familiar with the discussion.

The administration wants the same type of reorientation that Pittsburgh saw to provide fresh opportunities to working-class cities and towns across the country. While the president’s plan does feature traditional road, bridge and airport projects, the package also includes items like high-speed broadband, along with long-neglected priorities to update the electrical grid, replace lead pipes in homes and schools and retrofit and weatherize commercial buildings. The proposal is vastly bigger in size and breadth than the nation’s last long-term infrastructure bill -- a $305 billion, five-year surface-transportation initiative in 2015.

It envisions an expensive political gambit carried out over the next decade to try to create well-paying jobs by both updating the country’s infrastructure and preparing for the coming weather patterns wrought by climate change -- financed by tax hikes on the wealthy and corporations, anathema to Republicans and business groups.

The Washington Post earlier reported that Biden’s infrastructure-and-jobs plan would total $2.25 trillion.

The White House is expected to propose enough tax increases on Wednesday to cover the cost of the package, according to two people familiar with the plan. Biden is not expected to go into great detail on the specific tax increases, apart from reiterating plans to roll back a portion of former President Donald Trump’s 2017 tax cuts.
White House aides spent the weekend debating the make-up and size of the tax-increase package. Deese spent part of Tuesday briefing congressional leaders and committee chairs on some of the proposal’s details. Besides surface transportation, broadband and money for the electrical grid, the program will also have funding for elder care, housing and manufacturing, a person familiar with the discussion said.
Though Biden will ultimately propose two sweeping legislative proposals, totaling anywhere from $3 trillion to $4 trillion, he is expected on Wednesday to focus on a narrower discussion of rebuilding roads and bridges and transitioning to clean energy.

The Wednesday speech will introduce the proposal that the White House is calling the American Jobs Plan, which follows on the $1.9 trillion American Rescue Plan Act that Biden signed earlier in March.

For progressives, success in passing the bulk of the packages could put Biden in the pantheon with Lyndon Johnson or Franklin Delano Roosevelt, presidents who instituted sweeping changes through legislation on civil rights and the social safety net.
Though Biden will ultimately propose two sweeping legislative proposals, totaling anywhere from $3 trillion to $4 trillion, he is expected on Wednesday to focus on a narrower discussion of rebuilding roads and bridges and transitioning to clean energy.

The Wednesday speech will introduce the proposal that the White House is calling the American Jobs Plan, which follows on the $1.9 trillion American Rescue Plan Act that Biden signed earlier in March.

For progressives, success in passing the bulk of the packages could put Biden in the pantheon with Lyndon Johnson or Franklin Delano Roosevelt, presidents who instituted sweeping changes through legislation on civil rights and the social safety net.
Politically, the administration will have to work hard to keep Democrats unified on the infrastructure package as Republicans and business groups decry tax cuts and progressives try to push toward an even larger spending package.

One Biden ally said the White House should spend as much as $7 trillion on both infrastructure and the second “caring economy” proposal, a signal that progressives will push for as much spending as possible on top of the already-passed $1.9 trillion coronavirus relief bill.

Biden’s speech and the infrastructure plan is also expected to delve into ensuring that communities of color benefit, said two people familiar with the plan. The speech will make the point that such neighborhoods often have borne the brunt of pollution, so they should be a key part of the transition to a new economy and clean energy.

Even more details!

President Joe Biden's $2 trillion, eight-year "American Jobs Plan," to be unveiled Wednesday, contains money for a smorgasbord of interests from roads to the power grid and will also include money for cleaning up abandoned mines — an obvious nod to coal state senators who could be the key to its passage.

Abandoned mine remediation would be particularly attractive for Sen. Joe Manchin, a Democrat whose support in a tightly locked Senate is key for movement on virtually any legislation, even under sped-up budget reconciliation procedures under which Republicans' votes largely wouldn't matter. According to several sources who were on a call where White House officials briefed lawmakers Tuesday afternoon, the plan would encompass not just highways and transit but water systems, broadband, supply chain issues and more. It would address electrification and has a major plank on innovation, which involves research funding targeted at areas where the United States is falling behind China and other competitors, such as on semi-conductors and batteries.


National Economic Council Director Brian Deese said on the call that the plan would be paid for by changes to the corporate tax rate, including an effort already underway by the administration to achieve worldwide agreement on setting a global minimum corporate tax rate so that corporations could no longer pit countries against each other in search of the lowest rate. In his speech Wednesday, Biden will emphasize the need to move away from dependency on fossil fuels in order to meet Biden’s goal of zeroing out power grid emissions by 2035 and economy-wide by 2050.

That includes a massive $174 billion investment in vehicle electrification, including the installation of 500,000 new electric vehicle charging stations by 2030, according to a document viewed by POLITICO. The document says that the plan would "enable automakers to spur domestic supply chains from raw materials to parts, retool factories to compete globally, and support American workers to make batteries and EVs."


The plan also calls for buyer rebates and incentives for electric vehicles, swapping out 50,000 diesel-powered transit vehicles and electrifying at least 20 percent of school buses, as well as the entire federal vehicle fleet. In addition, it would seek to upgrade the power grid and make it more resilient; build and maintain VA hospitals and housing; and boost job training and apprenticeships.

It also will invest in home- and community-based services to reduce backlogs for those who need access and will seek to improve wages for essential workers, most of whom are women of color — an element labor has been lobbying the administration to include.

“We think that caregiving is an essential American infrastructure,” said Mary Kay Henry, president of the Service Employees International Union. “We really want to see tomorrow’s speech and the government's investment in care as a sustainable jobs program, because it's done by a majority women of color workforce and it's the same population that's lost the lion's share of jobs during COVID.”

The infrastructure plan won't be funded with any changes to the tax rate for individuals — only corporations — which could make it harder for Republicans to fight if they don’t “want to be seen as defending the corporations,” a source on the White House call suggested.

A mechanism to leverage private investment, like an infrastructure bank, apparently has interest from the White House but has not yet been baked into the plan.

It’s also unclear how an eight-year plan will dovetail with the five-year surface transportation bill lawmakers are planning for later this year, a question that is already causing confusion on Capitol Hill.

Two weeks after Wednesday’s rollout of the infrastructure piece, Biden will unveil the remaining parts of his "Build Back Better" agenda. A second proposal, which will be called the “American Families Plan,” is expected to address the child tax credit and paid leave

[Gravlen]

Fallacy of gray. Because there is absolute black nor absolute white doesn't mean there is a unique shade of gray. But if you do read this (and other) threads you'll see plenty of leftists (me included) criticizing the democrats (or at least many of them) on a regular basis. That we (usually) prefer them over the republicans doesn't mean we blindly support them everytime. Something which is rare to see from the MAGA crowd, criticism of "your own" when they err.



They are "logical" when your purpose is to wrestle a way for a party whose agenda is rejected by a vast majority of the population to remain in power nonetheless by preventing people to vote. They are not "logical" at all if your purpose is to allow free and fair elections.



Why would I praise a sociopath responsible of hundred of thousands of deaths, constantly lying, praising deliberate cruelty and white supremacists, supporting a violent attempt to overthrow the elected government and appoint himself as dictator for life ?

Posted by Kilobugya:
Why would I praise a sociopath responsible of hundred of thousands of deaths, constantly lying, praising deliberate cruelty and white supremacists, supporting a violent attempt to overthrow the elected government and appoint himself as dictator for life ?

Posted by Greater Miami Shores:
Here we go again back to First Base: different persons strongly disagree with you guys and Ladies: Millions of us strongly disagree with you guys and ladies.

Many people strongly disagre that the earth is round. Yet the evidence is right there...

Birx has been criticized by many for not pushing back publicly against some of Trump’s more outlandish statements about the pandemic. But here, she explains how she says she felt at the time.

Birx said that although many of the first 100,000 deaths in the initial COVID-19 wave were likely inevitable, the deaths from the later waves could have been reduced if the U.S. had implemented lockdown measures sooner and taken safety protocols more seriously throughout 2020.

“The first time, we have an excuse,” she said. “There were about 100,000 deaths that came from the original surge. All of the rest of them, in my mind, could have been mitigated or decreased substantially.”

Birx: Most COVID Deaths Could Have Been Avoided

Trump's response, that he didn't listen to Fauci or follow Birx's advice, is not a particularly good defence. In fact, it's extremely damning statements in their own right.

He is directly responsible for hundreds of thousands of deaths.

[GMS]

Posted by Kilobugya:
Why would I praise a sociopath responsible of hundred of thousands of deaths, constantly lying, praising deliberate cruelty and white supremacists, supporting a violent attempt to overthrow the elected government and appoint himself as dictator for life ?

Posted by Greater Miami Shores:
Here we go again back to First Base: different persons strongly disagree with you guys and Ladies: Millions of us strongly disagree with you guys and ladies.

Many people strongly disagre that the earth is round. Yet the evidence is right there...

Birx has been criticized by many for not pushing back publicly against some of Trump’s more outlandish statements about the pandemic. But here, she explains how she says she felt at the time.

Birx said that although many of the first 100,000 deaths in the initial COVID-19 wave were likely inevitable, the deaths from the later waves could have been reduced if the U.S. had implemented lockdown measures sooner and taken safety protocols more seriously throughout 2020.

“The first time, we have an excuse,” she said. “There were about 100,000 deaths that came from the original surge. All of the rest of them, in my mind, could have been mitigated or decreased substantially.”

Birx: Most COVID Deaths Could Have Been Avoided

Trump's response, that he didn't listen to Fauci or follow Birx's advice, is not a particularly good defence. In fact, it's extremely damning statements in their own right.

He is directly responsible for hundreds of thousands of deaths.

lol, according to whom? According to those who strongly disagree with you guys or according to those who strongly agree with you guys?

[Kilobugya]

lol, according to whom? According to those who strongly disagree with you guys or according to those who strongly agree with you guys?

According to scientists and experts of the field. Those kinds of things aren't (or at least shouldn't be) about being "red" or "blue" but about looking at evidence and using the scientific method. We don't need to agree or disagree that the Earth is round, rotates around the Sun, and is several billions years old. Nor that climate change is real and human emitted greenhouse gas play a significant role in it. Nor that vaccines are safe and massively save lives. Nor that Covid epidemics response by Team Trump was abysmal and thousands of deaths could have been prevented. Truth has let its footprint everywhere for those ready to use the scientific method and look at evidence.

[Kowani]

New Jersey expands early voting

New Jersey Governor Phil Murphy signed voting rights legislation into law today that establishes permanent, in-person early voting in the Garden State. The bill, S3203, makes New Jersey the 25th state to allow voters to cast ballots in-person before election day and significantly expands voting access. [...] Included in the New Jersey legislation are nine days of early voting before a General Election, including two weekends, and slightly shorter early voting periods before primaries.

[GMS]

lol, according to whom? According to those who strongly disagree with you guys or according to those who strongly agree with you guys?

According to scientists and experts of the field. Those kinds of things aren't (or at least shouldn't be) about being "red" or "blue" but about looking at evidence and using the scientific method. We don't need to agree or disagree that the Earth is round, rotates around the Sun, and is several billions years old. Nor that climate change is real and human emitted greenhouse gas play a significant role in it. Nor that vaccines are safe and massively save lives. Nor that Covid epidemics response by Team Trump was abysmal and thousands of deaths could have been prevented. Truth has let its footprint everywhere for those ready to use the scientific method and look at evidence.

Guess what? Millions of us strongly disagree with you guys on Trump, and you have a right to strongly disagree. It is called human nature on both sides on all issues, not just on one side, on both sides on all issues.

on Republican President Trump for emphasis.

I Rest My Case.



GMS.

[Kilobugya]

Guess what? Millions of us strongly disagree with you guys on Trump, and you have a right to strongly disagree.

Millions of people agreeing or disagreeing is not relevant.

The Earth is round, regardless of people agreeing or not. It was before people even existed. The Earth rotates around the Sun, regardless of people agreeing or not. Carbon 14 has a half-life of about 5,700 years, and that was true even before people knew what carbon 14 or half-life meant.

Hyper-relativism will get you nowhere. There is a reality. You can disagree with it as much as you want - but it won't bulge because of it. When you're thirsty you can wave a stick of wood and yell "Aguamenti !" and how much you agree or disagree it'll give you water won't change anything: if you refuse to accept science you'll die of thirst.

When the President refuses to accept science during a pandemics, it's hundred of thousands of people who die. That's a fact, a hard fact, but reality won't wrap itself around just because millions of people disagree.

[Comerciante]

According to scientists and experts of the field. Those kinds of things aren't (or at least shouldn't be) about being "red" or "blue" but about looking at evidence and using the scientific method. We don't need to agree or disagree that the Earth is round, rotates around the Sun, and is several billions years old. Nor that climate change is real and human emitted greenhouse gas play a significant role in it. Nor that vaccines are safe and massively save lives. Nor that Covid epidemics response by Team Trump was abysmal and thousands of deaths could have been prevented. Truth has let its footprint everywhere for those ready to use the scientific method and look at evidence.

Guess what? Millions of us strongly disagree with you guys on Trump, and you have a right to strongly disagree. It is called human nature on both sides on all issues, not just on one side, on both sides on all issues.

on Republican President Trump for emphasis.

I Rest My Case.



GMS.

The amount of people who agree with or disagree with something doesn't actually mean anything. A Fact is a Fact regardless of willful ignorance.

Constantly relying on a fallacious argument of millions of people agreeing on something doesn't actually mean that what's agreed upon is a fact. It just means millions of people can be wrong.

[GMS]

Let me try again a different way. I am under no illusions I will ever change any persons anti Trump views with anything I say, post or link to. My native Cuba is the perfect example, no matter what personal stories I have shared with them to the considerable extent that I have and can, I will never change their views on my native Cuba.

To all of you don't be under any illusions you will ever change the views of Proud Pro Trump Republicans no matter what you say, post or link to. Don't be under any illusions you will ever change the views of any persons who strongly disagree with you on any issues, no matter what you say, what you post and what you link to.

We are on NS to share our different economic, political and social views on all issues. It rarely happens we change the views of others. When it happens great you won a few over, but you are not going to win over most or all of them on any issues.

This is kind of on my sig.

I Rest My Case Again.

GMS.



Guess what? Millions of us strongly disagree with you guys on Trump, and you have a right to strongly disagree. It is called human nature on both sides on all issues, not just on one side, on both sides on all issues.

on Republican President Trump for emphasis.

I Rest My Case.



GMS.

The amount of people who agree with or disagree with something doesn't actually mean anything. A Fact is a Fact regardless of willful ignorance.

Constantly relying on a fallacious argument of millions of people agreeing on something doesn't actually mean that what's agreed upon is a fact. It just means millions of people can be wrong.

Let me try again a different way. I am under no illusions I will ever change any persons anti Trump views with anything I say, post or link to. My native Cuba is the perfect example, no matter what personal stories I have shared with them to the considerable extent that I have and can, I will never change their views on my native Cuba.

To all of you don't be under any illusions you will ever change the views of Proud Pro Trump Republicans no matter what you say, post or link to. Don't be under any illusions you will ever change the views of any persons who strongly disagree with you on any issues, no matter what you say, what you post and what you link to.

We are on NS to share our different economic, political and social views on all issues. It rarely happens we change the views of others. When it happens great you won a few over, but you are not going to win over most or all of them on any issues.

This is kind of on my sig.

I Rest My Case Again.

GMS.

For the Post Record I accidentally Posted a few Posts with my GMS nation not my Greater Miami Shores nation, because I keep switching between both nations, because I am working on my censuses while Posting .

[Comerciante]

The amount of people who agree with or disagree with something doesn't actually mean anything. A Fact is a Fact regardless of willful ignorance.

Constantly relying on a fallacious argument of millions of people agreeing on something doesn't actually mean that what's agreed upon is a fact. It just means millions of people can be wrong.

Let me try again a different way. I am under no illusions I will ever change any persons anti Trump views with anything I say, post or link to. My native Cuba is the perfect example, no matter what personal stories I have shared with them to the considerable extent that I have and can, I will never change their views on my native Cuba.

To all of you don't be under any illusions you will ever change the views of Proud Pro Trump Republicans no matter what you say, post or link to. Don't be under any illusions you will ever change the views of any persons who strongly disagree with you on any issues, no matter what you say, what you post and what you link to.

We are on NS to share our different economic, political and social views on all issues. It rarely happens we change the views of others. When it happens great you won a few over, but you are not going to win over most or all of them on any issues.

This is kind of on my sig.

I Rest My Case Again.

GMS.

For the Post Record I accidentally Posted a few Posts with my GMS nation not my Greater Miami Shores nation, because I keep switching between both nations, because I am working on my censuses while Posting .

Except for the fact that this not true either. People have changed their minds on things plenty of times before despite holding heavily ingrained ideas about things.

Just because you cannot believe this is not an indication it doesn't happen.

Also you have "rested your case" plenty of times and you've always been happy to reopen them whenever convenient.