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Postby Ayytaly » Sun Mar 28, 2021 11:01 am

Kowani wrote:New York lawmakers agree to legalize marijuana

New York is poised the join the growing number of states that have legalized marijuana after state lawmakers reached a late-night deal to allow sales of the drug for recreational use.

The legislation would allow recreational marijuana sales to adults over the age of 21, and set up a licensing process for the delivery of cannabis products to customers. Individual New Yorkers could grow up to three mature and three immature plants for personal consumption, and local governments could opt out of retail sales.

The legislation would take effect immediately if passed, though sales wouldn’t start until New York sets up rules and a proposed cannabis board. Assembly Majority Leader Crystal Peoples-Stokes estimated Friday it could take 18 months to two years for sales to start.[…] New York would set a 9% sales tax on cannabis, plus an additional 4% tax split between the county and local government. It would also impose an additional tax based on the level of THC, the active ingredient in marijuana, ranging from 0.5 cents per milligram for flower to 3 cents per milligram for edibles.

New York would eliminate penalties for possession of less than three ounces of cannabis, and automatically expunge records of people with past convictions for marijuana-related offenses that would no longer be criminalized. That’s a step beyond a 2019 law that expunged many past convictions for marijuana possession and reduced the penalty for possessing small amounts.

And New York would provide loans, grants and incubator programs to encourage participation in the cannabis industry by people from minority communities, as well as small farmers, women and disabled veterans.
[…]
New York officials plan to launch an education and prevention campaign aimed at reducing the risk of cannabis among school-aged children, and schools could get grants for anti-vaping and drug prevention and awareness programs.

And the state will also launch a study due by Dec. 31, 2022, that examines the extent that cannabis impairs driving, and whether it depends on factors like time and metabolism.[…]
The bill also sets aside revenues to cover the costs of everything from regulating marijuana, to substance abuse prevention.

State police could also get funding to hire and train more so-called “drug recognition experts.”
[…] The bill allows cities, towns and villages to opt out of allowing adult-use cannabis retail dispensaries or on-site consumption licenses by passing a local law by Dec. 31, 2021 or nine months after the effective date of the legislation. They cannot opt out of legalization.

Billtext here


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Postby Neanderthaland » Sun Mar 28, 2021 11:07 am

Ayytaly wrote:
Kowani wrote:New York lawmakers agree to legalize marijuana

New York is poised the join the growing number of states that have legalized marijuana after state lawmakers reached a late-night deal to allow sales of the drug for recreational use.

The legislation would allow recreational marijuana sales to adults over the age of 21, and set up a licensing process for the delivery of cannabis products to customers. Individual New Yorkers could grow up to three mature and three immature plants for personal consumption, and local governments could opt out of retail sales.

The legislation would take effect immediately if passed, though sales wouldn’t start until New York sets up rules and a proposed cannabis board. Assembly Majority Leader Crystal Peoples-Stokes estimated Friday it could take 18 months to two years for sales to start.[…] New York would set a 9% sales tax on cannabis, plus an additional 4% tax split between the county and local government. It would also impose an additional tax based on the level of THC, the active ingredient in marijuana, ranging from 0.5 cents per milligram for flower to 3 cents per milligram for edibles.

New York would eliminate penalties for possession of less than three ounces of cannabis, and automatically expunge records of people with past convictions for marijuana-related offenses that would no longer be criminalized. That’s a step beyond a 2019 law that expunged many past convictions for marijuana possession and reduced the penalty for possessing small amounts.

And New York would provide loans, grants and incubator programs to encourage participation in the cannabis industry by people from minority communities, as well as small farmers, women and disabled veterans.
[…]
New York officials plan to launch an education and prevention campaign aimed at reducing the risk of cannabis among school-aged children, and schools could get grants for anti-vaping and drug prevention and awareness programs.

And the state will also launch a study due by Dec. 31, 2022, that examines the extent that cannabis impairs driving, and whether it depends on factors like time and metabolism.[…]
The bill also sets aside revenues to cover the costs of everything from regulating marijuana, to substance abuse prevention.

State police could also get funding to hire and train more so-called “drug recognition experts.”
[…] The bill allows cities, towns and villages to opt out of allowing adult-use cannabis retail dispensaries or on-site consumption licenses by passing a local law by Dec. 31, 2021 or nine months after the effective date of the legislation. They cannot opt out of legalization.

Billtext here


Hello, hedonistic urban decay.

Won't somebody PLEASE think of the children!
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Postby Vassenor » Sun Mar 28, 2021 11:10 am

Ayytaly wrote:
Kowani wrote:New York lawmakers agree to legalize marijuana

New York is poised the join the growing number of states that have legalized marijuana after state lawmakers reached a late-night deal to allow sales of the drug for recreational use.

The legislation would allow recreational marijuana sales to adults over the age of 21, and set up a licensing process for the delivery of cannabis products to customers. Individual New Yorkers could grow up to three mature and three immature plants for personal consumption, and local governments could opt out of retail sales.

The legislation would take effect immediately if passed, though sales wouldn’t start until New York sets up rules and a proposed cannabis board. Assembly Majority Leader Crystal Peoples-Stokes estimated Friday it could take 18 months to two years for sales to start.[…] New York would set a 9% sales tax on cannabis, plus an additional 4% tax split between the county and local government. It would also impose an additional tax based on the level of THC, the active ingredient in marijuana, ranging from 0.5 cents per milligram for flower to 3 cents per milligram for edibles.

New York would eliminate penalties for possession of less than three ounces of cannabis, and automatically expunge records of people with past convictions for marijuana-related offenses that would no longer be criminalized. That’s a step beyond a 2019 law that expunged many past convictions for marijuana possession and reduced the penalty for possessing small amounts.

And New York would provide loans, grants and incubator programs to encourage participation in the cannabis industry by people from minority communities, as well as small farmers, women and disabled veterans.
[…]
New York officials plan to launch an education and prevention campaign aimed at reducing the risk of cannabis among school-aged children, and schools could get grants for anti-vaping and drug prevention and awareness programs.

And the state will also launch a study due by Dec. 31, 2022, that examines the extent that cannabis impairs driving, and whether it depends on factors like time and metabolism.[…]
The bill also sets aside revenues to cover the costs of everything from regulating marijuana, to substance abuse prevention.

State police could also get funding to hire and train more so-called “drug recognition experts.”
[…] The bill allows cities, towns and villages to opt out of allowing adult-use cannabis retail dispensaries or on-site consumption licenses by passing a local law by Dec. 31, 2021 or nine months after the effective date of the legislation. They cannot opt out of legalization.

Billtext here


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Postby Omniabstracta » Sun Mar 28, 2021 11:12 am

Neanderthaland wrote:
Ayytaly wrote:
Hello, hedonistic urban decay.

Won't somebody PLEASE think of the children!

I hear the devil’s lettuce is leading to the collapse of Western civilization as we speak :p
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Postby Proctopeo » Sun Mar 28, 2021 11:12 am

Kowani wrote:New York lawmakers agree to legalize marijuana

New York is poised the join the growing number of states that have legalized marijuana after state lawmakers reached a late-night deal to allow sales of the drug for recreational use.

The legislation would allow recreational marijuana sales to adults over the age of 21, and set up a licensing process for the delivery of cannabis products to customers. Individual New Yorkers could grow up to three mature and three immature plants for personal consumption, and local governments could opt out of retail sales.

The legislation would take effect immediately if passed, though sales wouldn’t start until New York sets up rules and a proposed cannabis board. Assembly Majority Leader Crystal Peoples-Stokes estimated Friday it could take 18 months to two years for sales to start.[…] New York would set a 9% sales tax on cannabis, plus an additional 4% tax split between the county and local government. It would also impose an additional tax based on the level of THC, the active ingredient in marijuana, ranging from 0.5 cents per milligram for flower to 3 cents per milligram for edibles.

New York would eliminate penalties for possession of less than three ounces of cannabis, and automatically expunge records of people with past convictions for marijuana-related offenses that would no longer be criminalized. That’s a step beyond a 2019 law that expunged many past convictions for marijuana possession and reduced the penalty for possessing small amounts.

And New York would provide loans, grants and incubator programs to encourage participation in the cannabis industry by people from minority communities, as well as small farmers, women and disabled veterans.
[…]
New York officials plan to launch an education and prevention campaign aimed at reducing the risk of cannabis among school-aged children, and schools could get grants for anti-vaping and drug prevention and awareness programs.

And the state will also launch a study due by Dec. 31, 2022, that examines the extent that cannabis impairs driving, and whether it depends on factors like time and metabolism.[…]
The bill also sets aside revenues to cover the costs of everything from regulating marijuana, to substance abuse prevention.

State police could also get funding to hire and train more so-called “drug recognition experts.”
[…] The bill allows cities, towns and villages to opt out of allowing adult-use cannabis retail dispensaries or on-site consumption licenses by passing a local law by Dec. 31, 2021 or nine months after the effective date of the legislation. They cannot opt out of legalization.

Billtext here

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Postby The Black Forrest » Sun Mar 28, 2021 11:29 am

Ayytaly wrote:
Kowani wrote:New York lawmakers agree to legalize marijuana

New York is poised the join the growing number of states that have legalized marijuana after state lawmakers reached a late-night deal to allow sales of the drug for recreational use.

The legislation would allow recreational marijuana sales to adults over the age of 21, and set up a licensing process for the delivery of cannabis products to customers. Individual New Yorkers could grow up to three mature and three immature plants for personal consumption, and local governments could opt out of retail sales.

The legislation would take effect immediately if passed, though sales wouldn’t start until New York sets up rules and a proposed cannabis board. Assembly Majority Leader Crystal Peoples-Stokes estimated Friday it could take 18 months to two years for sales to start.[…] New York would set a 9% sales tax on cannabis, plus an additional 4% tax split between the county and local government. It would also impose an additional tax based on the level of THC, the active ingredient in marijuana, ranging from 0.5 cents per milligram for flower to 3 cents per milligram for edibles.

New York would eliminate penalties for possession of less than three ounces of cannabis, and automatically expunge records of people with past convictions for marijuana-related offenses that would no longer be criminalized. That’s a step beyond a 2019 law that expunged many past convictions for marijuana possession and reduced the penalty for possessing small amounts.

And New York would provide loans, grants and incubator programs to encourage participation in the cannabis industry by people from minority communities, as well as small farmers, women and disabled veterans.
[…]
New York officials plan to launch an education and prevention campaign aimed at reducing the risk of cannabis among school-aged children, and schools could get grants for anti-vaping and drug prevention and awareness programs.

And the state will also launch a study due by Dec. 31, 2022, that examines the extent that cannabis impairs driving, and whether it depends on factors like time and metabolism.[…]
The bill also sets aside revenues to cover the costs of everything from regulating marijuana, to substance abuse prevention.

State police could also get funding to hire and train more so-called “drug recognition experts.”
[…] The bill allows cities, towns and villages to opt out of allowing adult-use cannabis retail dispensaries or on-site consumption licenses by passing a local law by Dec. 31, 2021 or nine months after the effective date of the legislation. They cannot opt out of legalization.

Billtext here


Hello, hedonistic urban decay.


Time to move back to the city!
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Postby The Reformed American Republic » Sun Mar 28, 2021 11:34 am

San Lumen wrote:
Saiwania wrote:
We can't have it that way because too many Liberal sanctuary cities exist in the US. If the Left is going to insist on protecting illegal immigrants in terms of their living in the US, then the Right is probably going to insist on 2nd Amendment zones, where state/local governments in certain places throughout the US refuse to enforce any new federal gun control that comes from Biden or any future Democratic party led Federal governments.


Thats not a valid argument for making voting harder.

I don't think the Nazi is going to care about people's rights or about Democracy.
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Postby Ayytaly » Sun Mar 28, 2021 11:34 am

The Black Forrest wrote:
Ayytaly wrote:
Hello, hedonistic urban decay.


Time to move back to the city!


Try not stepping on the Asian delivery boy laying dead/knocked out cold in your residential entrance.
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Postby Kowani » Sun Mar 28, 2021 11:38 am

Rep. Devin Nunes’ (R-CA) mother (who serves as the campaign treasurer) messed up his FEC reports, and now he has to re-file :rofl:

"Two political committees belonging to Rep. Devin Nunes (R-CA) have spent the past two days filing amended FEC reports to correct errors and omissions by their treasurer: his mom," The Beast reported. "The fundraising committees—Nunes Victory Fund, and his leadership PAC, NEW PAC—have also removed Nunes' mother's email address and replaced them with an unspecified 'Treasurer 1' and 'Treasurer 2.'"

"Those emails serve as contact points for the Federal Election Commission, which sends notices called "Requests for Additional Information" (RFAIs) when compliance officials flag errors or inconsistencies. The FEC sent an additional five notices on Thursday and Friday to the conservative's official campaign committee, where Toni Nunes has run the books since her son's first congressional bid in 2002," The Beast explained. "All but one of the campaign's 2020 FEC reports filed by Nunes' mom contain material errors, according to the RFAIs. Flaws include duplicate contributions from GOP mega-donors such as Home Depot CEO Bernie Marcus ($50.5 million career giving), billionaire energy mogul Kelcy Warren ($23.8 million), and investor Rex Sinquefield ($12.2 million)."
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Postby Kazumazu » Sun Mar 28, 2021 11:39 am

Ayytaly wrote:
The Black Forrest wrote:
Time to move back to the city!


Try not stepping on the Asian delivery boy laying dead/knocked out cold in your residential entrance.


. . . . . . . .
Here I sit drinking my tea, watching,
as civilization falls into the sea.


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Postby Vassenor » Sun Mar 28, 2021 11:43 am

Ayytaly wrote:
The Black Forrest wrote:
Time to move back to the city!


Try not stepping on the Asian delivery boy laying dead/knocked out cold in your residential entrance.


What?
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Postby Ayytaly » Sun Mar 28, 2021 11:50 am

Vassenor wrote:
Ayytaly wrote:
Try not stepping on the Asian delivery boy laying dead/knocked out cold in your residential entrance.


What?


Vast majority of potheads in North American inner cities are ghetto thugs and hoodrats whose main method of "income" is assaulting people for their money, and leaving them.for dead. Even before anti-Asian sentiments flared up, hoodlums would assault delivery boys and take their gains and bikes from them, just to buy weed. Latinos, too, are commonly assaulted.

Kazumazu wrote:
Ayytaly wrote:
Try not stepping on the Asian delivery boy laying dead/knocked out cold in your residential entrance.


. . . . . . . .


I hope I elaborted my previous comment properly. Sorry if I touched a nerve.
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Postby Vassenor » Sun Mar 28, 2021 11:56 am

Ayytaly wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
What?


Vast majority of potheads in North American inner cities are ghetto thugs and hoodrats whose main method of "income" is assaulting people for their money, and leaving them.for dead. Even before anti-Asian sentiments flared up, hoodlums would assault delivery boys and take their gains and bikes from them, just to buy weed. Latinos, too, are commonly assaulted.


So you're running on stereotypes and demanding everyone else do the same.
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Postby The Black Forrest » Sun Mar 28, 2021 11:58 am

Ayytaly wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
What?


Vast majority of potheads in North American inner cities are ghetto thugs and hoodrats whose main method of "income" is assaulting people for their money, and leaving them.for dead. Even before anti-Asian sentiments flared up, hoodlums would assault delivery boys and take their gains and bikes from them, just to buy weed. Latinos, too, are commonly assaulted.

Kazumazu wrote:
. . . . . . . .


I hope I elaborted my previous comment properly. Sorry if I touched a nerve.


Touched a nerve? Nahhh. Surprised by the amount of ignorance flowing from your post? Yes.
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Postby Ayytaly » Sun Mar 28, 2021 12:01 pm

Vassenor wrote:
Ayytaly wrote:
Vast majority of potheads in North American inner cities are ghetto thugs and hoodrats whose main method of "income" is assaulting people for their money, and leaving them.for dead. Even before anti-Asian sentiments flared up, hoodlums would assault delivery boys and take their gains and bikes from them, just to buy weed. Latinos, too, are commonly assaulted.


So you're running on stereotypes and demanding everyone else do the same.


It's not a stereotype if it's commonplace in cities such as Philadelphia (I once worked there.)
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Postby The Black Forrest » Sun Mar 28, 2021 12:02 pm

Ayytaly wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
So you're running on stereotypes and demanding everyone else do the same.


It's not a stereotype if it's commonplace in cities such as Philadelphia (I once worked there.)


Sooooo? Your alleged experience in Philadelphia speaks for all cities?
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* I felt like Ayn Rand cornered me at a party, and three minutes in I found my first objection to what she was saying, but she kept talking without interruption for ten more days. - Max Barry talking about Atlas Shrugged

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Postby Omniabstracta » Sun Mar 28, 2021 12:06 pm

Ayytaly wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
So you're running on stereotypes and demanding everyone else do the same.


It's not a stereotype if it's commonplace in cities such as Philadelphia (I once worked there.)

It’s a stereotype because it blatantly ignores the material conditions and history surrounding a complex social issue, and instead assumes certain people are inherently predisposed to being “hoodlum thugs,” usually in an extremely racially charged way. Stereotypes aren’t stereotypes because they defy observation in the real world (though some certainly do, regardless of people’s random personal anecdotes), they’re stereotypes because they’re stupidly reductive and use that to push an agenda.
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Postby Ayytaly » Sun Mar 28, 2021 12:08 pm

Omniabstracta wrote:
Ayytaly wrote:
It's not a stereotype if it's commonplace in cities such as Philadelphia (I once worked there.)

It’s a stereotype because it blatantly ignores the material conditions and history surrounding a complex social issue, and instead assumes certain people are inherently predisposed to being “hoodlum thugs,” usually in an extremely racially charged way. Stereotypes aren’t stereotypes because they defy observation in the real world (though some certainly do, regardless of people’s random personal anecdotes), they’re stereotypes because they’re stupidly reductive and use that to push an agenda.


Spoken like a true resident of a gated community.
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Postby Kazumazu » Sun Mar 28, 2021 12:09 pm

The Black Forrest wrote:
Ayytaly wrote:
It's not a stereotype if it's commonplace in cities such as Philadelphia (I once worked there.)


Sooooo? Your alleged experience in Philadelphia speaks for all cities?


You know I’m not disavowing personal anecdotes but people really shouldn’t look at them as a tub-full of holy truth water. Like I said in another post at best they are a sippy cup at best.
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Postby Vassenor » Sun Mar 28, 2021 12:09 pm

Ayytaly wrote:
Omniabstracta wrote:It’s a stereotype because it blatantly ignores the material conditions and history surrounding a complex social issue, and instead assumes certain people are inherently predisposed to being “hoodlum thugs,” usually in an extremely racially charged way. Stereotypes aren’t stereotypes because they defy observation in the real world (though some certainly do, regardless of people’s random personal anecdotes), they’re stereotypes because they’re stupidly reductive and use that to push an agenda.


Spoken like a true resident of a gated community.


Spoken like someone providing no evidence to support their claims beyond DUDE TRUST ME.
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Postby Sundiata » Sun Mar 28, 2021 12:17 pm

Ayytaly wrote:
Omniabstracta wrote:It’s a stereotype because it blatantly ignores the material conditions and history surrounding a complex social issue, and instead assumes certain people are inherently predisposed to being “hoodlum thugs,” usually in an extremely racially charged way. Stereotypes aren’t stereotypes because they defy observation in the real world (though some certainly do, regardless of people’s random personal anecdotes), they’re stereotypes because they’re stupidly reductive and use that to push an agenda.


Spoken like a true resident of a gated community.

As someone who gets accused of being elitist and upper-class pretty often, no. It's racist to reduce people to stereotypes on those grounds and you shouldn't do it.
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Postby Omniabstracta » Sun Mar 28, 2021 12:18 pm

Ayytaly wrote:
Omniabstracta wrote:It’s a stereotype because it blatantly ignores the material conditions and history surrounding a complex social issue, and instead assumes certain people are inherently predisposed to being “hoodlum thugs,” usually in an extremely racially charged way. Stereotypes aren’t stereotypes because they defy observation in the real world (though some certainly do, regardless of people’s random personal anecdotes), they’re stereotypes because they’re stupidly reductive and use that to push an agenda.


Spoken like a true resident of a gated community.

You got me, this random NS poster you know nothing about is actually a billionaire trust fund baby who has never interacted with the real world and lives isolated in a community of white, rich, liberal socialites cooing over “the poor minorities.” Now I’m going to go swim in my Scrooge McDuck-esque pool of gold bullion while thumbing my nose at actual material change in society. You are excused from making an actual argument or providing any evidence from this point onwards :roll:

Oh wait, no, that’s just bullshit and you’ve decided the best way forward is to make wild assumptions about other people because making actual points is hard and clearly the only way someone could disagree with you would be if your opponent were an out of touch nonce.
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Postby Ayytaly » Sun Mar 28, 2021 12:18 pm

Kazumazu wrote:
The Black Forrest wrote:
Sooooo? Your alleged experience in Philadelphia speaks for all cities?


You know I’m not disavowing personal anecdotes but people really shouldn’t look at them as a tub-full of holy truth water. Like I said in another post at best they are a sippy cup at best.

At least I'm providing some water. These guys have absolutely no experience whatsoever living in the inner cities, and are mere observants at best. If they want to prove me wrong, they can come live in the most decadent neighborhoods in cities like Newark, Chicago, and South Los Angeles, and I'll give them a tour.
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Postby Vassenor » Sun Mar 28, 2021 12:21 pm

Ayytaly wrote:
Kazumazu wrote:
You know I’m not disavowing personal anecdotes but people really shouldn’t look at them as a tub-full of holy truth water. Like I said in another post at best they are a sippy cup at best.

At least I'm providing some water. These guys have absolutely no experience whatsoever living in the inner cities, and are mere observants at best. If they want to prove me wrong, they can come live in the most decadent neighborhoods in cities like Newark, Chicago, and South Los Angeles, and I'll give them a tour.


See, normally the procedure when debating is to prove yourself right, not challenge other people to prove you wrong.
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