American Politics IV: 1400 Reasons Why(A Stimulus Serial)

[ImperialRussia]

It’s seems that 2000 dollar check what Joe Biden promised was not true

[Picairn]

It’s seems that 2000 dollar check what Joe Biden promised was not true

$600 + $1400 = $2000, plus many other benefits.

Find some other topic. We're already over this.

[A-Series-Of-Tubes]

But we still live in western style multi political party nations with all their faults and merits. As I said, in the USA we actually have more than 2 political parties to choose from. We are not a dictatorship nation.

No you don't.

Some states are adopting different electoral systems. It will take a while though. Even voters who go to the polls thinking they understand the new system (with their vote planned out even) get spooked by something they weren't expecting, and in fear of casting an invalid vote, only use part of their voting power for some familiar name with the right letter after it.

I'm not insulting the intelligence of American voters. Whenever there's a change in ballot procedure it takes at least 3 elections for most people to break old habits. I guess the miniscule power of one vote feels actually imposing when they're alone in the booth and no-one (even they) will know if they did it right or wrong.

A postal ballot might seem less stressful, but I bet a lot of people make a copy of it to practice on first: it might be just as stressful but spread out over more time. Asking for help from someone you trust is an option too.

[Gravlen]

Why did Trump supporters keep shouting "Fuck the blue" as they beat a police officer to death, if they believe Blue Lives Matter?

Not all Proud Republican Trump supporters are anti Cops. These Particular ones were angry at the Cops for their reasons. Most Proud Republican Trump supporters are still Pro Cops.

No, they are not. They like using them as a shield to deflect critizism, and a cudgel against minorities, but they don't give a shit about the cops themselves.

Just like Trump, who couldn't even be bothered to honor the policeman who died defending the Capitol during his attempted coup, or the policeman who lived after saving several senators, or the many policemen who're left with life-long injuries following what Trump's people did.

It was never about backing the blue, blue lives don't matter to you or these people. You don't care, not for a second.

[Gravlen]

lol, you got it, I could not say it better myself,

Alberto.

Its not a very good argument.

It's still a very illuminating argument, as it clearly shows a path back to a position of anti-americanism and anti-democracy. It underlines that the poster truly is opposed to the Republic and a democratic political system, as he has indicated at multiple times before.

[Gravlen]

It’s seems that 2000 dollar check what Joe Biden promised was not true

Maths is hard.

[Greater Miami Shores]

Not all Proud Republican Trump supporters are anti Cops. These Particular ones were angry at the Cops for their reasons. Most Proud Republican Trump supporters are still Pro Cops.

No, they are not. They like using them as a shield to deflect critizism, and a cudgel against minorities, but they don't give a shit about the cops themselves.

Just like Trump, who couldn't even be bothered to honor the policeman who died defending the Capitol during his attempted coup, or the policeman who lived after saving several senators, or the many policemen who're left with life-long injuries following what Trump's people did.

It was never about backing the blue, blue lives don't matter to you or these people. You don't care, not for a second.

ok no problems you have your views and we have ours.

Alberto - GMS.

[Greater Cesnica]

No, they are not. They like using them as a shield to deflect critizism, and a cudgel against minorities, but they don't give a shit about the cops themselves.

Just like Trump, who couldn't even be bothered to honor the policeman who died defending the Capitol during his attempted coup, or the policeman who lived after saving several senators, or the many policemen who're left with life-long injuries following what Trump's people did.

It was never about backing the blue, blue lives don't matter to you or these people. You don't care, not for a second.

ok no problems you have your views and we have ours.

Alberto - GMS.

You shouldn't just hide behind that. Here's a simple question: do you believe that the policeman who died at the Capitol was a traitor?

[Greater Cesnica]

1. Since I know your political views, 2. I have no doubt of your views, 3. which I respect your rights to them and your rights to post them.

Alberto - GMS.

1. No you don't.
2. Due to ignorance, maybe.
3. I don't care if you respect something or not. You can't say you love democracy and then want to install a dictator in the US. It's like you didn't learn anything while living in Cuba.

Wait, GMS was born in Cuba?

[Gravlen]

ok no problems you have your views and we have ours.

Alberto - GMS.

You shouldn't just hide behind that. Here's a simple question: do you believe that the policeman who died at the Capitol was a traitor?

I believe he made his views on that clear, especially with his admission there that he doesn't really care about the lives of cops.

[Greater Miami Shores]

1. No you don't.
2. Due to ignorance, maybe.
3. I don't care if you respect something or not. You can't say you love democracy and then want to install a dictator in the US. It's like you didn't learn anything while living in Cuba.

Wait, GMS was born in Cuba?

Thank you Greater Cesnica, I feel I can post to you. Yes, I am a native Cuban and American citizen.

The problem is we strongly disagree on Republican President Trump. I am ok with it. President Trump did not try to overthrow the US government, as I have explained my views.

My views are my opinions not my facts. Their views are their opinions not their facts.

Alberto - GMS.

[Borderlands of Rojava]

Well on economics sure. But who holds the purse-strings?

Under Trump the Republicans held Congress at first, and right away produced a "trickle down" tax cut bill. "Didn't work for Reagan, won't work for us, now let's get out and sell this free money."

In my opinion, the one who first tried a half-baked idea deserves less blame than the one who tries it again for the third time!

Reagan knew his ideas were half-baked as well. While you can certainly argue that to keep doing things that do not work is dumb, Trump at last did so out of lazyness. I can respect that.

I think Trump did it because secretly he always was fine with crony capitalism and his man of the power shtick was a con, just like his successful businessman shtick.

[Borderlands of Rojava]

1. No you don't.
2. Due to ignorance, maybe.
3. I don't care if you respect something or not. You can't say you love democracy and then want to install a dictator in the US. It's like you didn't learn anything while living in Cuba.

Wait, GMS was born in Cuba?

He was, and as a Cuban American he is really passionate about speaking out about the tyranny of Castro.

What doesn't make sense is why Castro is so special when Cuba wasn't exactly a thriving democracy before him?

[New haven america]

Wait, GMS was born in Cuba?

Thank you Greater Cesnica, I feel I can post to you. Yes, I am a native Cuban and American citizen.

The problem is we strongly disagree on Republican President Trump. I am ok with it. President Trump did not try to overthrow the US government, as I have explained my views.

My views are my opinions not my facts. Their views are their opinions not their facts.

Alberto - GMS.

Yes he did.

Oh wait, you actually wanted to be at the capital riot helping to install him as a dictator.

So no only do you support dictatorships, you wanted to actively participate in installing one.

[Heloin]

I enjoy Mitch McConnell explaining that he is absolutely the massive hypocrite every already knows that he is. About as much self awareness as I would expect from him.

We strongly agree for different reasons.

You support a conspiracy theory that allowed a former president to incite a insurrection against the United States and think he should get away with it.

[Washington Resistance Army]

Wait, GMS was born in Cuba?

He was, and as a Cuban American he is really passionate about speaking out about the tyranny of Castro.

What doesn't make sense is why Castro is so special when Cuba wasn't exactly a thriving democracy before him?

Most of the Cubans who fled Castro were the upper class jackasses who were stepping on everyone else, worth keeping that in mind.

[Borderlands of Rojava]

He was, and as a Cuban American he is really passionate about speaking out about the tyranny of Castro.

What doesn't make sense is why Castro is so special when Cuba wasn't exactly a thriving democracy before him?

Most of the Cubans who fled Castro were the upper class jackasses who were stepping on everyone else, worth keeping that in mind.

I know and that's the point. All this talk about "Castro is a tyrant" is just cover for "he made me stop owning half the land in Cuba." When Batista was being a dictator that let his own people starve, that was perfectly fine I guess.

[Heloin]

He was, and as a Cuban American he is really passionate about speaking out about the tyranny of Castro.

What doesn't make sense is why Castro is so special when Cuba wasn't exactly a thriving democracy before him?

Most of the Cubans who fled Castro were the upper class jackasses who were stepping on everyone else, worth keeping that in mind.

People really miss the privileges they had under Batista's regime and do not understand the complete irony that comes out of this.

[Greater Miami Shores]

Thank you Greater Cesnica, I feel I can post to you. Yes, I am a native Cuban and American citizen.

The problem is we strongly disagree on Republican President Trump. I am ok with it. President Trump did not try to overthrow the US government, as I have explained my views.

My views are my opinions not my facts. Their views are their opinions not their facts.

Alberto - GMS.

Yes he did.

Oh wait, you actually wanted to be at the capital riot helping to install him as a dictator.

So no only do you support dictatorships, you wanted to actively participate in installing one.

Again, we strongly disagree on Republican President Trump. I don't have any problems that we strongly disagree on this issue.

No you are 100 % wrong. I have stated on 2 or more of my posts, I wish I could have gone with my Cuban and American friends, they did not storm the Capitol Building or commit any acts of violence and neither would I.

They were not influenced by speech or President Trump to commit any violence. President Trump said Protest Peacefully and Patriotically. Not Protest violently.

I have condemned the violence on the Capitol Building. I have condemned the bad cops who killed black African Americans like George Floyd.

I condemned right violence and left wing violence by those certain few persons who participated in the violence in Democrat run cities with Democrat mayor. I have condemned both sides.

Alberto - GMS.

[The Alma Mater]

Reagan knew his ideas were half-baked as well. While you can certainly argue that to keep doing things that do not work is dumb, Trump at last did so out of lazyness. I can respect that.

I think Trump did it because secretly he always was fine with crony capitalism and his man of the power shtick was a con, just like his successful businessman shtick.

Nah. As I argued before, Trump simply likes losing. It is his fetish.
Well, not the losing - but the subsequent claiming there was a conspiracy, that there was unfairness, that he was cheated etc. It is a recurrent pattern throughout his life. Hillary even explicitly attacked him on this during the 2016 elections.

[A-Series-Of-Tubes]

Reagan knew his ideas were half-baked as well. While you can certainly argue that to keep doing things that do not work is dumb, Trump at last did so out of lazyness. I can respect that.

I think Trump did it because secretly he always was fine with crony capitalism and his man of the power shtick was a con, just like his successful businessman shtick.

His what?

his man of the power shtick

But I know. His man-of-the-people schtick came after years of hanging around rich and powerful people. Without the education or intelligence to make amusing conversation, he chose not to fake it (as most of them do) and got accepted as "nouveau rich". It was acceptable to be vulgar and a parody of "a nobody with money" and this explains much of his character. He never made friends, but was accepted like somebody else's friend and was probably even welcome among American aristocracy as a "funny guy" verging on a laughing stock.

This implies worse things about the New York aristocracy than it does about him, actually. They didn't care one whit how he made his money, let alone whether he inherited it. They had to tolerate him because he had money and that's the only rule of membership, but to be accepted Trump had to play a character of Poor Boy made Good, or Lottery Winner. I would actually think worse of him if he'd faked "good breeding" and I'm damn sure he'd never have been elected if he had.

[Borderlands of Rojava]

I think Trump did it because secretly he always was fine with crony capitalism and his man of the power shtick was a con, just like his successful businessman shtick.

Nah. As I argued before, Trump simply likes losing. It is his fetish.
Well, not the losing - but the subsequent claiming there was a conspiracy, that there was unfairness, that he was cheated etc. It is a recurrent pattern throughout his life. Hillary even explicitly attacked him on this during the 2016 elections.

He likes being a victim?

[Borderlands of Rojava]

I think Trump did it because secretly he always was fine with crony capitalism and his man of the power shtick was a con, just like his successful businessman shtick.

His what?

his man of the power shtick

But I know. His man-of-the-people schtick came after years of hanging around rich and powerful people. Without the education or intelligence to make amusing conversation, he chose not to fake it (as most of them do) and got accepted as "nouveau rich". It was acceptable to be vulgar and a parody of "a nobody with money" and this explains much of his character. He never made friends, but was accepted like somebody else's friend and was probably even welcome among American aristocracy as a "funny guy" verging on a laughing stock.

This implies worse things about the New York aristocracy than it does about him, actually. They didn't care one whit how he made his money, let alone whether he inherited it. They had to tolerate him because he had money and that's the only rule of membership, but to be accepted Trump had to play a character of Poor Boy made Good, or Lottery Winner. I would actually think worse of him if he'd faked "good breeding" and I'm damn sure he'd never have been elected if he had.

Fuck. I meant to say people.

Autocorrect .

[The Alma Mater]

Nah. As I argued before, Trump simply likes losing. It is his fetish.
Well, not the losing - but the subsequent claiming there was a conspiracy, that there was unfairness, that he was cheated etc. It is a recurrent pattern throughout his life. Hillary even explicitly attacked him on this during the 2016 elections.

He likes being a victim?

*Claiming* he is one, yes. Not getting award X, not being on the cover of magazine Y, not winning election Z - everything is the result of mean people conspiring against him. Whine, cry, gimme love and attention.

I doubt he would like being an actual victim.

[Greater Miami Shores]

Most of the Cubans who fled Castro were the upper class jackasses who were stepping on everyone else, worth keeping that in mind.

I know and that's the point. All this talk about "Castro is a tyrant" is just cover for "he made me stop owning half the land in Cuba." When Batista was being a dictator that let his own people starve, that was perfectly fine I guess.

I don't want to discuss Cuba and the Castro's with any of you in great details. This is not the proper thread for it.

I will discuss Cuba in details on my next anti Cuban government thread at the proper time. I think this has gotten off topic and can be considered a thread jack. A little bid on Cuba and other issues is usually allowed, especially when you link it to US, Cuba relations.

Alberto - GMS.