American Politics IV: 1400 Reasons Why(A Stimulus Serial)

[Salus Maior]

China sanctions the US and Canada after they were themselves sanctioned over treatment of Uyghur Muslims (the UK and EU, who also filed sanctions against China at the same time, were hit earlier)

What China does to the Uyghur is horrible. But the way US/EU/Canada commit their own share of crimes, turn a blind eye to crimes committed by "allies", and then strike geopolitical rivals with sanctions feels so hypocritical that it makes it very easy for China (or Russia or ...) to just blame shrug off and put their own sanctions, leading to everyone being hurt and no problem being fixed.

But then I don't know what "we" could do to help the Uyghur, apart from being more honest and reliable in defending and respecting human rights all around; so we would be taken more seriously, but that's unrealistic to ask for with our current governments.

There's really nothing we can do to stop the genocide short of going to war with China.

Historically speaking, genocides have only ever been stopped by a victorious power putting a stop to it after a war.

[Rusozak]

China sanctions the US and Canada after they were themselves sanctioned over treatment of Uyghur Muslims (the UK and EU, who also filed sanctions against China at the same time, were hit earlier)

Those sanctioned in the U.S. include Gayle Manchin, the chair of the U.S. Commission on International Religious Freedom (USCIRF), and Tony Perkins, the vice chair of USCIRF.

Gayle Manchin, who was just appointed as co-chair of Appalachian Regional Commission this week, is the wife of Sen. Joe Manchin (D-W.Va.).
China also sanctioned Canadian member of parliament Michael Chong and the Subcommittee on International Human Rights in Canada's House of Commons.

The individuals are banned from entering the Chinese mainland, Hong Kong and Macau, the ministry said, and Chinese citizens and institutions are prohibited from doing business with the three individuals or having any exchanges with the subcommittee.Yes

Yes, sanctions. The diplomatic world's disapproving glare. Very effective.

[Trollzyn the Infinite]

What China does to the Uyghur is horrible. But the way US/EU/Canada commit their own share of crimes, turn a blind eye to crimes committed by "allies", and then strike geopolitical rivals with sanctions feels so hypocritical that it makes it very easy for China (or Russia or ...) to just blame shrug off and put their own sanctions, leading to everyone being hurt and no problem being fixed.

But then I don't know what "we" could do to help the Uyghur, apart from being more honest and reliable in defending and respecting human rights all around; so we would be taken more seriously, but that's unrealistic to ask for with our current governments.

There's really nothing we can do to stop the genocide short of going to war with China.

Historically speaking, genocides have only ever been stopped by a victorious power putting a stop to it after a war.

And unfortunately we can't go to war with China because an attempt at invading the Mainland risks triggering a nuclear retaliation. There's no doubt in my mind that Beijing would push the big red button if they thought for a minute that they were about to lose power to a foreign invasion. Given all they've done and are capable of, "If I'm going down I'm taking you with me" seems fairly characteristic for the CCP - especially Xi.

[Washington Resistance Army]

There's really nothing we can do to stop the genocide short of going to war with China.

Historically speaking, genocides have only ever been stopped by a victorious power putting a stop to it after a war.

And unfortunately we can't go to war with China because an attempt at invading the Mainland risks triggering a nuclear retaliation. There's no doubt in my mind that Beijing would push the big red button if they thought for a minute that they were about to lose power to a foreign invasion. Given all they've done and are capable of, "If I'm going down I'm taking you with me" seems fairly characteristic for the CCP - especially Xi.

Tbf their arsenal is so small it almost certainly could be defeated by countermeasures, even with them having a high failure rate. We'll just never do it because China owns the world economically now.

[Kazumazu]

And unfortunately we can't go to war with China because an attempt at invading the Mainland risks triggering a nuclear retaliation. There's no doubt in my mind that Beijing would push the big red button if they thought for a minute that they were about to lose power to a foreign invasion. Given all they've done and are capable of, "If I'm going down I'm taking you with me" seems fairly characteristic for the CCP - especially Xi.

Tbf their arsenal is so small it almost certainly could be defeated by countermeasures, even with them having a high failure rate. We'll just never do it because China owns the world economically now.

I was not aware that China’s nuclear arsenal was teeny weeny...

[Trollzyn the Infinite]

And unfortunately we can't go to war with China because an attempt at invading the Mainland risks triggering a nuclear retaliation. There's no doubt in my mind that Beijing would push the big red button if they thought for a minute that they were about to lose power to a foreign invasion. Given all they've done and are capable of, "If I'm going down I'm taking you with me" seems fairly characteristic for the CCP - especially Xi.

Tbf their arsenal is so small it almost certainly could be defeated by countermeasures, even with them having a high failure rate. We'll just never do it because China owns the world economically now.

It really doesn't matter in the end. If even just one, low-yield nuke can get through--even if it's chance of doing so is negligible--war is out of the question. Maybe the Pakistanis and Indians are willing to fuck about and risk finding out, but I'd sleep better at night knowing we at least were not.

[Saiwania]

I, on the other hand, think the thing should be abolished entirely.

With no filibuster it goes both ways. As soon as a Republican majority controls both chambers, legislation that's the opposite of what Democrats like will just be forced through like the ACA was. Tons of Liberal or Conservative wishlists will be undone overnight whenever a change in government happens.

[San Lumen]

I, on the other hand, think the thing should be abolished entirely.

With no filibuster it goes both ways. As soon as a Republican majority controls one or both chambers, legislation that's the opposite of what Democrats like will just be forced through like the ACA was. Tons of Liberal or Conservative wishlists will be undone overnight whenever a change in government happens.

elections have consequences. i don't think many state legislatures have the equivalent of the filibuster in the Senate.

[Kannap]

I, on the other hand, think the thing should be abolished entirely.

With no filibuster it goes both ways. As soon as a Republican majority controls both chambers, legislation that's the opposite of what Democrats like will just be forced through like the ACA was. Tons of Liberal or Conservative wishlists will be undone overnight whenever a change in government happens.

See, the thing with this, because McConnell already tried threatening this, is that Republicans do that anyway when they're the ones in charge and then Republicans obstruct whenever Democrats are in charge. So the status quo is: Republicans do whatever they want when they're in charge, e.g. packing the courts. Democrats can't get anything done because Republicans are able to easily obstruct and anything that does get done is so painfully stunted by compromise that its barely anything at all.

Fuck the status quo in this case.

[Kowani]

I, on the other hand, think the thing should be abolished entirely.

With no filibuster it goes both ways. As soon as a Republican majority controls both chambers, legislation that's the opposite of what Democrats like will just be forced through like the ACA was. Tons of Liberal or Conservative wishlists will be undone overnight whenever a change in government happens.

Well, no
The Republican agenda-at least the wishlists-are broadly unpopular, and about a third of Republican voters routinely think the party is actually far more generous than it actually is
It’s why they do culture war, because fiscal conservatism (as long as it can’t be framed as hitting “the wrong people” isn’t actually a popular position and they’d suffer a massive backlash if they were to actually implement their ideas (and several of their social positions as well)

[The Black Forrest]

It would be entirely Donald Trump's fault for egging them on if even a single rioter interrupted the counting of electoral votes on the 6th.

1 - How do you explain my Cuban and American Friends at the rally who heard the same speech and did not storm the Capitol Building, cause damage, kill persons or commit any acts of violence?

Irrelevant. That fact they were in attendance and allegedly didn’t take part does not lessen what happened.

2 - How do you explain most Republican Trump supporters who heard the same speech did not storm the Capitol Building, cause damage, kill persons or commit any acts of violence?

Who knows? Not close enough. Not there. Again irrelevant as it does not lessen what happened.

I say the persons who stormed the Capitol Building, caused damage, kill persons and committed any acts of violence, made a personal decision to do so, they are responsible for their own actions. If I did the same I would be responsible for my own actions. If you did the same you would be responsible for your own actions. If any of us did the same we would be responsible for our own actions.

Sorry. You don’t get to exclude them. They are your people. They are the proud USA USA USA Trump republicans which you talk about all the time. Never mind the fact many of the arrested said they were motivated by the ex-president.

Not al leftist protestors in Democrat run cities with Democrat mayors protested violently. They made a personal decision to not do so, many protested peacefully.

Irrelevent. The fact they did does not lessen what the proud USA USA USA Trump republicans did.

But many others protestors tore down statues and monuments, burned buildings and businesses at times owned by ethnic minorities, looted stores, throwed projectiles at cops, and killed innocent cops and persons.

You really want to try a whatbout to justify what the proud USA USA USA Trump republicans did?

3 - I have condemned right wing violence and left wing violence, have you?

I usually aske this question and they don't answer the question.

GMS.

*shrugs* Sitting behind a monitor and typing I condemn right wing violence is a really easy thing to do. Doesn’t address anything and will not prevent such actions in the future. Even then it still doesn’t lessen what these proud USA USA USA trump republicans did.

At this juncture. Trump behind bars and denied social media access would reduce such actions over time.....

[Saiwania]

See, the thing with this, because McConnell already tried threatening this, is that Republicans do that anyway when they're the ones in charge and then Republicans obstruct whenever Democrats are in charge. So the status quo is: Republicans do whatever they want when they're in charge, e.g. packing the courts. Democrats can't get anything done because Republicans are able to easily obstruct and anything that does get done is so painfully stunted by compromise that its barely anything at all.

Fuck the status quo in this case.

It's good, if it means TYT doesn't get their way across the board. As soon as its done, it'll eventually come back to bite Democrats when it eventually goes all wrong, such as Biden spending too much causing stagflation from too much money in the economy whilst taxes and interest rates have to go way up to cover the deeping fiscal crisises in the coming years.

[The Greater Ohio Valley]

Tbf their arsenal is so small it almost certainly could be defeated by countermeasures, even with them having a high failure rate. We'll just never do it because China owns the world economically now.

I was not aware that China’s nuclear arsenal was teeny weeny...

They still have more than enough to make waging any kind of significant war against them extremely painful.

[Kilobugya]

I, on the other hand, think the thing should be abolished entirely.

With no filibuster it goes both ways. As soon as a Republican majority controls both chambers, legislation that's the opposite of what Democrats like will just be forced through like the ACA was. Tons of Liberal or Conservative wishlists will be undone overnight whenever a change in government happens.

Well, yes, but they need to control the trifecta to do it. Without voter suppression, it'll be hard for the GOP to get that. But not impossible, yes. It's still worth it to be able to pass HR1 and so many other laws that we need.

[Kannap]

See, the thing with this, because McConnell already tried threatening this, is that Republicans do that anyway when they're the ones in charge and then Republicans obstruct whenever Democrats are in charge. So the status quo is: Republicans do whatever they want when they're in charge, e.g. packing the courts. Democrats can't get anything done because Republicans are able to easily obstruct and anything that does get done is so painfully stunted by compromise that its barely anything at all.

Fuck the status quo in this case.

It's good, if it means TYT doesn't get their way across the board. As soon as its done, it'll eventually come back to bite Democrats when it eventually goes all wrong, such as Biden spending too much causing stagflation from too much money in the economy whilst taxes and interest rates have to go way up to cover the deeping fiscal crisises in the coming years.

Honestly? Just ban the Democratic and Republican parties and institute socialism. I mean, American capitalism is constantly crumbling and the peasantry get poorer and poorer as the rich get richer and richer. Ought to give something else a try.

[Saiwania]

I'm in favor of the new Georgia voting laws and will back any plans to extend it to as many other states as possible. Ideally it'll be in all 50. The people who truly should vote will be able to jump through all the hoops.

[Kannap]

I'm in favor of the new Georgia voting laws and will back any plans to extend it to as many other states as possible. Ideally it'll be in all 50. The people who truly should vote will be able to jump through all the hoops.

The more citizens who can vote the better, actually.

[Neanderthaland]

I'm in favor of the new Georgia voting laws and will back any plans to extend it to as many other states as possible. Ideally it'll be in all 50. The people who truly should vote will be able to jump through all the hoops.

No surprise that the Nazi comes down against democracy.

Really, the fact that you support this should clear up any confusion about whether or not it is - in fact - an awful anti-democratic thing to do.

[San Lumen]

I'm in favor of the new Georgia voting laws and will back any plans to extend it to as many other states as possible. Ideally it'll be in all 50. The people who truly should vote will be able to jump through all the hoops.

Yes how awful that everyone vote and it be as easy as possible.

[Saiwania]

Yes how awful that everyone vote and it be as easy as possible.

We can't have it that way because too many Liberal sanctuary cities exist in the US. If the Left is going to insist on protecting illegal immigrants in terms of their living in the US, then the Right is probably going to insist on 2nd Amendment zones, where state/local governments in certain places throughout the US refuse to enforce any new federal gun control that comes from Biden or any future Democratic party led Federal governments.

[San Lumen]

Yes how awful that everyone vote and it be as easy as possible.

We can't have it that way because too many Liberal sanctuary cities exist in the US. If the Left is going to insist on protecting illegal immigrants in terms of their living in the US, then the Right is probably going to insist on 2nd Amendment zones, where state/local governments in certain places throughout the US refuse to enforce any new federal gun control that comes from Biden or any future Democratic party led Federal governments.

Thats not a valid argument for making voting harder.

[Saiwania]

Thats not a valid argument for making voting harder.

I'm not sufficiently convinced that only citizens can vote in these places if there are sizeable populations of illegal immigrants in those communities. With such weak ID requirements, it is as easy as an illegal immigrant taking a social security number off of an already dead person.

[Jedi Council]

Thats not a valid argument for making voting harder.

I'm not sufficiently convinced that only citizens can vote in these places if there are sizeable populations of illegal immigrants in those communities. With such weak ID requirements, it is as easy as an illegal immigrant taking a social security number off of an already dead person.

Do you have any evidence or just conjecture?

[San Lumen]

Thats not a valid argument for making voting harder.

I'm not sufficiently convinced that only citizens can vote in these places if there are sizeable populations of illegal immigrants in those communities. With such weak ID requirements, it is as easy as an illegal immigrant taking a social security number off of an already dead person.

In person voter fraud does not occur. If you not are not a citizen you cannot vote.

[Kannap]

I'm in favor of the new Georgia voting laws and will back any plans to extend it to as many other states as possible. Ideally it'll be in all 50. The people who truly should vote will be able to jump through all the hoops.

Yes how awful that everyone vote and it be as easy as possible.

This is Sai you're responding to, I don't know what you're trying to appeal to here.