American Politics IV: 1400 Reasons Why(A Stimulus Serial)

[Immortan Khan]

Now wondering if Cuomo had his own bunga bunga parties.

You're not trying to be racist, are you? You just like "bunga bunga" and wanted to say it

What?

[Kowani]

Tennessee commission votes 25-1 to move bust of Nathan Bedford Forrest from the state Capitol building to a nearby museum

House Republicans are now advancing a bill to remove the entire commission and replace them with handpicked stooges, as well as require any commission decisions about removing monuments to be approved by a joint resolution of the general assembly

[Genivaria]

Now wondering if Cuomo had his own bunga bunga parties.

You're not trying to be racist, are you? You just like "bunga bunga" and wanted to say it

lol wut?

Bunga bunga is a phrase of uncertain origin and various meanings that dates from 1910, and a name for an area of Australia dating from 1852. By 2010 the phrase had gained popularity in Italy and the international press to refer to former Italian Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi's sex parties, which caused a major political scandal in Italy.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bunga_bunga

[Genivaria]

Tennessee commission votes 25-1 to move bust of Nathan Bedford Forrest from the state Capitol building to a nearby museum

House Republicans are now advancing a bill to remove the entire commission and replace them with handpicked stooges, as well as require any commission decisions about removing monuments to be approved by a joint resolution of the general assembly

The GOP is literally the enemy of democracy.

[Narland]

House Republicans are now advancing a bill to remove the entire commission and replace them with handpicked stooges, as well as require any commission decisions about removing monuments to be approved by a joint resolution of the general assembly

The GOP is literally the enemy of democracy.

It is my understanding that once it became apparent that the KKK was not interested in being a workers' rights union of the Democratic Party (which they pretended to be) but advancing violence, Bedford (as one of its leaders) ordered it disbanded, then repudiated and distanced himself from it. But since he was an East of the Mississippi Democrat he wasn't worth leaning much about in history class. Regardless, destroying historical monuments keeps the next generation ignorant of history; and doomed to repeat the mistakes of those whom they in their malice and own bigotry would destroy.

I wouldn't say the GOP, but American Conservative Republicans by definition are hostile to all forms of despotism be it by the one -- tyranny, the few -- oligarchy, or the many --democracy. Only when Democracy is ameliorated by the rule of law, and good order such as in Western Europe shackled from its abuses by parliaments and their strangulating morass of unworkable government bureaucracies that tramples on the rights of everybody with equal aplomb, or restrained from its mischief, such as in the United States with a well written Federal Constitutional Republic that checks and balances its abuses while securing the blessings of liberty to all.

Direct democracy is two wolves and one sheep voting on what's for dinner. A republic is two wolves and a well armed sheep voting on what's not for dinner. The United States was set up as a Federal Constitutional Republic that was designed to stop the tyranny of the majority against the rights of the minority. Democracy always tries to destroy that.

[Uiiop]

The GOP is literally the enemy of democracy.

It is my understanding that once it became apparent that the KKK was not interested in being a workers' rights union of the Democratic Party (which they pretended to be) but advancing violence, Bedford (as one of its leaders) ordered it disbanded, then repudiated and distanced himself from it. But since he was an East of the Mississippi Democrat he wasn't worth leaning much about in history class. Regardless, destroying historical monuments keeps the next generation ignorant of history; and doomed to repeat the mistakes of those whom they in their malice and own bigotry would destroy.

I wouldn't say the GOP, but American Conservative Republicans by definition are hostile to all forms of despotism be it by the one -- tyranny, the few -- oligarchy, or the many --democracy. Only when Democracy is ameliorated by the rule of law, and good order such as in Western Europe shackled from its abuses by parliaments and its strangulating morass of unworkable government bureaucracies, or restrained from its mischief, such as in the United States with a well written Federal Constitutional Republic that checks and balances its abuses.

Direct democracy is two wolves and one sheep voting on what's for dinner. A republic is two wolves and a well armed sheep voting on what's not for dinner. The United States was set up as a Federal Constitutional Republic that was designed to stop the tyranny of the majority against the rights of the minority. Democracy always tries to destroy that.

[citation needed]

Like is there any proof statues of any of the impact y'all claim they do?

[Narland]

It is my understanding that once it became apparent that the KKK was not interested in being a workers' rights union of the Democratic Party (which they pretended to be) but advancing violence, Bedford (as one of its leaders) ordered it disbanded, then repudiated and distanced himself from it. But since he was an East of the Mississippi Democrat he wasn't worth leaning much about in history class. Regardless, destroying historical monuments keeps the next generation ignorant of history; and doomed to repeat the mistakes of those whom they in their malice and own bigotry would destroy.

I wouldn't say the GOP, but American Conservative Republicans by definition are hostile to all forms of despotism be it by the one -- tyranny, the few -- oligarchy, or the many --democracy. Only when Democracy is ameliorated by the rule of law, and good order such as in Western Europe shackled from its abuses by parliaments and its strangulating morass of unworkable government bureaucracies, or restrained from its mischief, such as in the United States with a well written Federal Constitutional Republic that checks and balances its abuses.

Direct democracy is two wolves and one sheep voting on what's for dinner. A republic is two wolves and a well armed sheep voting on what's not for dinner. The United States was set up as a Federal Constitutional Republic that was designed to stop the tyranny of the majority against the rights of the minority. Democracy always tries to destroy that.

[citation needed]

Like is there any proof statues of any of the impact y'all claim they do?

Anyone who would destroy their own history have bigotry problems of their own bigger than any statue or bust of some bigot long dead. I am more concerned with living bigots who world torch, destroy, and ruin those things around them in their malice. Moving statues and busts to museums where they can be quietly dismantled or mothballed is not an option when it fails to force people to come face to face with the evils of their own past. It is especially domed to failure if it is merely done to assuage some sense of self-righteous moral superiority manufactured in their own minds. If they cannot come to terms with their history they do not deserve to be a part of the present who make history.
https://www.legendsofamerica.com/ah-nathanforrest/
https://www.britannica.com/biography/Na ... rd-Forrest

[Omniabstracta]

[citation needed]

Like is there any proof statues of any of the impact y'all claim they do?

Anyone who would destroy their own history have bigotry problems of their own bigger than any statue or bust of some bigot long dead.
https://www.legendsofamerica.com/ah-nathanforrest/
https://www.britannica.com/biography/Na ... rd-Forrest

The issue more arises when one discovers that most statues of these “long dead bigots” were put up after said people were already long dead, in many cases themselves to push a revisionist history about a war of Northern aggression and good old Southern chivalry. Then, it’s no longer a matter of history, it’s a matter of politics and agendas that are and continue to be very present. This isn’t some historical artifact, it was a show piece put up a hundred years after the man’s death that was sure as hell intended to send a message, and definitely not one about Forrest’s support for worker’s unions and disavowment of the KKK or whatever. It must be interpreted in that context.

[North Washington Republic]

House Republicans are now advancing a bill to remove the entire commission and replace them with handpicked stooges, as well as require any commission decisions about removing monuments to be approved by a joint resolution of the general assembly

The GOP is literally the enemy of democracy.

It’s more like they’re aware that their voter base is largely indifferent or even supportive of the January 6 terrorist attack.

[Rusozak]

The GOP is literally the enemy of democracy.

It’s more like they’re aware that their voter base is largely indifferent or even supportive of the January 6 terrorist attack.

You know, even a few short years ago I would have said freedom and democracy are too engrained into American culture for things like fascism and autocracy to ever become popular. Now I'm not so sure. Looking a lot like 1920s Germany.

[Umeria]

Moving statues and busts to museums where they can be quietly dismantles or mothballed is not an option when forcing people to come face to face with the evils of their own past.

Why does a statue being in a museum make it easier to be dismantled? Surely vigilant defenders of historical education such as yourself would work just as hard to prevent its destruction no matter where it's located.

[Genivaria]

The GOP is literally the enemy of democracy.

It is my understanding that once it became apparent that the KKK was not interested in being a workers' rights union of the Democratic Party (which they pretended to be) but advancing violence, Bedford (as one of its leaders) ordered it disbanded, then repudiated and distanced himself from it. But since he was an East of the Mississippi Democrat he wasn't worth leaning much about in history class. Regardless, destroying historical monuments keeps the next generation ignorant of history; and doomed to repeat the mistakes of those whom they in their malice and own bigotry would destroy.

I wouldn't say the GOP, but American Conservative Republicans by definition are hostile to all forms of despotism be it by the one -- tyranny, the few -- oligarchy, or the many --democracy. Only when Democracy is ameliorated by the rule of law, and good order such as in Western Europe shackled from its abuses by parliaments and their strangulating morass of unworkable government bureaucracies that tramples on the rights of everybody with equal aplomb, or restrained from its mischief, such as in the United States with a well written Federal Constitutional Republic that checks and balances its abuses while securing the blessings of liberty to all.

Direct democracy is two wolves and one sheep voting on what's for dinner. A republic is two wolves and a well armed sheep voting on what's not for dinner. The United States was set up as a Federal Constitutional Republic that was designed to stop the tyranny of the majority against the rights of the minority. Democracy always tries to destroy that.

American Conservative Republicans by definition are hostile to all forms of despotism be it by the one

Lol

Direct democracy is two wolves and one sheep voting on what's for dinner. A republic is two wolves and a well armed sheep voting on what's not for dinner.

Trite sayings dressed up as wisdom.

The United States was set up as a Federal Constitutional Republic that was designed to stop the tyranny of the majority against the rights of the minority. Democracy always tries to destroy that.

4th grade political understanding thinking that republicanism and democracy are somehow mutually exclusive, I thought I was done with this nonsense with my tea party family.

[North Washington Republic]

US, China spar in first face-to-face meeting under Biden

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ANCHORAGE, Alaska (AP) — Top U.S. and Chinese officials offered sharply different views of each other and the world on Thursday as the two sides met face-to-face for the first time since President Joe Biden took office.

In unusually pointed public remarks for a staid diplomatic meeting, Secretary of State Antony Blinken and Chinese Communist Party foreign affairs chief Yang Jiechi took aim at each other’s country’s policies at the start of two days of talks in Alaska. The contentious tone of their public comments suggested the private discussions would be even more rocky.

The meetings in Anchorage were a new test in increasingly troubled relations between the two countries, which are at odds over a range of issues from trade to human rights in Tibet, Hong Kong and China’s western Xinjiang region, as well as over Taiwan, China’s assertiveness in the South China Sea and the coronavirus pandemic.


Blinken said the Biden administration is united with its allies in pushing back against China’s increasing authoritarianism and assertiveness at home and abroad. Yang then unloaded a list of Chinese complaints about the U.S. and accused Washington of hypocrisy for criticizing Beijing on human rights and other issues.

“Each of these actions threaten the rules-based order that maintains global stability,” Blinken said of China’s actions in Xinjiang, Hong Kong and Taiwan, and of cyber attacks on the United States and economic coercion against U.S. allies. “That’s why they’re not merely internal matters, and why we feel an obligation to raise these issues here today.”

National security adviser Jake Sullivan amplified the criticism, saying China has undertaken an “assault on basic values.”

“We do not seek conflict but we welcome stiff competition,” he said.

Yang responded angrily by demanding the U.S. stop pushing its own version of democracy at a time when the United States itself has been roiled by domestic discontent. He also accused the U.S. of failing to deal with its own human rights problems and took issue with what he said was “condescension” from Blinken, Sullivan and other U.S. officials.

“We believe that it is important for the United States to change its own image and to stop advancing its own democracy in the rest of the world,” he said. “Many people within the United States actually have little confidence in the democracy of the United States.”

“China will not accept unwarranted accusations from the U.S. side,” he said, adding that recent developments had plunged relations “into a period of unprecedented difficulty” that “has damaged the interests of our two peoples.”

’There is no way to strangle China,” he said.

Blinken appeared to be annoyed by the tenor and length of the comments, which went on for more than 15 minutes. He said his impressions from speaking with world leaders and on his just-concluded trip to Japan and South Korea were entirely different from the Chinese position.

“I’m hearing deep satisfaction that the United States is back, that we’re reengaged,” Blinken retorted. “I’m also hearing deep concern about some of the actions your government is taking.”

Underscoring the animosity, the State Department blasted the Chinese delegation for violating an agreed upon two-minute time limit for opening statements and suggested it “seem(ed) to have arrived intent on grandstanding, focused on public theatrics and dramatics over substance.”

“America’s approach will be undergirded by confidence in our dealing with Beijing — which we are doing from a position of strength — even as we have the humility to know that we are a country eternally striving to become a more perfect union,” it said.

U.S.-China ties have been torn for years, and the Biden administration has yet to signal whether it’s ready or willing to back away from the hard-line stances taken under Donald Trump.

Just a day before the meeting, Blinken had announced new sanctions over Beijing’s crackdown on pro-democracy advocates in Hong Kong. In response, China stepped up its rhetoric opposing U.S. interference in domestic affairs and complained directly about it.

“Is this a decision made by the United States to try to gain some advantage in dealing with China?” State Councilor Wang Yi asked. “Certainly this is miscalculated and only reflects the vulnerability and weakness inside the United States and it will not shake China’s position or resolve on those issues.”

Trump had taken pride in forging what he saw as a strong relationship with Chinese leader Xi Jinping. But the relationship disintegrated after the coronavirus pandemic spread from the Wuhan province across the globe and unleashed a public health and economic disaster.

I guess the “Beijing Biden” meme no longer applies.

[Narland]

Anyone who would destroy their own history have bigotry problems of their own bigger than any statue or bust of some bigot long dead.
https://www.legendsofamerica.com/ah-nathanforrest/
https://www.britannica.com/biography/Na ... rd-Forrest

The issue more arises when one discovers that most statues of these “long dead bigots” were put up after said people were already long dead, in many cases themselves to push a revisionist history about a war of Northern aggression and good old Southern chivalry. Then, it’s no longer a matter of history, it’s a matter of politics and agendas that are and continue to be very present. This isn’t some historical artifact, it was a show piece put up a hundred years after the man’s death that was sure as hell intended to send a message, and definitely not one about Forrest’s support for worker’s unions and disavowment of the KKK or whatever. It must be interpreted in that context.

Learning from the past includes learning from those who made the busts and statutes in the first place. And learning why that generation of Democrats revolted against the Reconstruction Amendments in the Southern States and passed the damnable Jim Crow laws in violation of the US Constitution, and the Civil Rights acts from 1876 - 1968 just to spite the former slaves and their descendants, and the Republicans living amongst them in those Southern States and Democrat held Cities of the North. The next generation had better learn why their parents, grandparents, etc. were bigots, and put an end to their bigotry once and for all. But they aren't. They are fostering their bigotry and exercising a scorched earth policy with a hatred and bigotry of their own by destroying anything they disagree with including their own past. (Which they will be doomed to repeat on some other hapless group that they succeed in vilifying in their inflated sense of superiority).

[North Washington Republic]

It’s more like they’re aware that their voter base is largely indifferent or even supportive of the January 6 terrorist attack.

You know, even a few short years ago I would have said freedom and democracy are too engrained into American culture for things like fascism and autocracy to ever become popular. Now I'm not so sure. Looking a lot like 1920s Germany.

I wouldn’t we’re quite like 1920s Germany...yet. If the Republicans lose seats in the Senate and the House in 2022, they may learn a lesson, but then again, it looks like they’re not interested in winning general elections and are just scared(or supportive) of the MAGA base.

[Genivaria]

The issue more arises when one discovers that most statues of these “long dead bigots” were put up after said people were already long dead, in many cases themselves to push a revisionist history about a war of Northern aggression and good old Southern chivalry. Then, it’s no longer a matter of history, it’s a matter of politics and agendas that are and continue to be very present. This isn’t some historical artifact, it was a show piece put up a hundred years after the man’s death that was sure as hell intended to send a message, and definitely not one about Forrest’s support for worker’s unions and disavowment of the KKK or whatever. It must be interpreted in that context.

Learning from the past includes learning from those who made the busts and statutes in the first place. And learning why that generation of Democrats revolted against the Reconstruction Amendments in the Southern States and passed the damnable Jim Crow laws in violation of the US Constitution, and the Civil Rights acts from 1876 - 1968 just to spite the former slaves and their descendants, and the Republicans living amongst them in those Southern States and Democrat held Cities of the North. The next generation had better learn why their parents, grandparents, etc. were bigots, and put an end to their bigotry once and for all. But they aren't. They are fostering their bigotry and exercising a scorched earth policy with a hatred and bigotry of their own by destroying anything they disagree with including their own past. (Which they will be doomed to repeat on some other hapless group that they succeed in vilifying in their inflated sense of superiority.

They did it to fight against the Civil Rights Movement and celebrate white supremacy.
There's no need to memorialize them.

[Narland]

Learning from the past includes learning from those who made the busts and statutes in the first place. And learning why that generation of Democrats revolted against the Reconstruction Amendments in the Southern States and passed the damnable Jim Crow laws in violation of the US Constitution, and the Civil Rights acts from 1876 - 1968 just to spite the former slaves and their descendants, and the Republicans living amongst them in those Southern States and Democrat held Cities of the North. The next generation had better learn why their parents, grandparents, etc. were bigots, and put an end to their bigotry once and for all. But they aren't. They are fostering their bigotry and exercising a scorched earth policy with a hatred and bigotry of their own by destroying anything they disagree with including their own past. (Which they will be doomed to repeat on some other hapless group that they succeed in vilifying in their inflated sense of superiority.

They did it to fight against the Civil Rights Movement and celebrate white supremacy.
There's no need to memorialize them.

On that I totally agree.

[Narland]

You know, even a few short years ago I would have said freedom and democracy are too engrained into American culture for things like fascism and autocracy to ever become popular. Now I'm not so sure. Looking a lot like 1920s Germany.

I wouldn’t we’re quite like 1920s Germany...yet. If the Republicans lose seats in the Senate and the House in 2022, they may learn a lesson, but then again, it looks like they’re not interested in winning general elections and are just scared(or supportive) of the MAGA base.

It wouldn't be like it at as as the Social Democrats SDP (Socialist LIte) were the failures in charge and the utter fail National Socialists NAZI (Socialist with Attitude) were the only two games in town. There was no Anti-Socialist option. All the Socialists in the US are in the Democrat Party. +90% of GOP and ~20% of Independents favor Trump's Anti-Socialist (all forms of Socialism be it Communism (International Socialism), Fascism (Corporato-Socialism), Naziism (National Socialism), Fabianism (Slow-Burn Socialism by Buracracy), or whatnot), free-market, and anti-oppressive regulation policies.

[Uiiop]

[citation needed]

Like is there any proof statues of any of the impact y'all claim they do?

Anyone who would destroy their own history have bigotry problems of their own bigger than any statue or bust of some bigot long dead. I am more concerned with living bigots who world torch, destroy, and ruin those things around them in their malice. Moving statues and busts to museums where they can be quietly dismantled or mothballed is not an option when it fails to force people to come face to face with the evils of their own past. It is especially domed to failure if it is merely done to assuage some sense of self-righteous moral superiority manufactured in their own minds. If they cannot come to terms with their history they do not deserve to be a part of the present who make history.
https://www.legendsofamerica.com/ah-nathanforrest/
https://www.britannica.com/biography/Na ... rd-Forrest

How good or bad Mr.Forrest was is irrelevant to whether a statue is needed to properly remember him and/or deal with his faults.

You being offended that people can't properly deal with him even though his statue existed goes against your point. You can blame other factors sure but the fact is the statue failed in giving the context you claim it does.

TBQH Even if it's true the statues are a valuable teaching tool that was suppressed of it's effects by PC or whatever it has such a an apparent death grips on it that it's an pointless hill to die on.

[Umeria]

All the Socialists in the US are in the Democrat Party.

How far inside the Democratic party would you say the socialists have infiltrated? Would you say the leadership (Biden, Pelosi, Schumer, etc) are socialists?

Fascism (Corporato-Socialism),

Um

[Uiiop]

Hot take: This statue debate shows (Among other things) the nationalist confusion between the power of their ritual and the power of their ritualized object.

They're projecting the power they felt of seeing our president statues and monuments onto these more localized them without necessarily giving them the same level of endorsement. But the history of those places are by our institutions being taught and expressed around those statues not because of them.

Statue just by your local place or state...just don't have all that associated with and as such their practical effects are "Why are we celebrating this asshole?" rather than "Oh i'm going to look up and treat this guy as a mixed bag."

[Uiiop]

Hot take: This statue debate shows (Among other things) the nationalist confusion between the power of their ritual and the power of their ritualized object.

They're projecting the power they felt of seeing our president statues and monuments onto these more localized them without necessarily giving them the same level of endorsement. But the history of those places are by our institutions being taught and expressed around those statues not because of them.

Statue just by your local place or state...just don't have all that associated with and as such their practical effects are "Why are we celebrating this asshole?" rather than "Oh i'm going to look up and treat this guy as a mixed bag."

It seems to me at least that at in my most chartable light the defenders of trash statues are just attacking the symptom and not the "Disease" of the collpase of localism and lowercase statism.

To solve that however would be to essentially recognize federalism and the private political networks that are influenced by it are based on contradictions and if you're particularly an consistent right-lib(I'm assuming either way whether Narland is, mind.) then the private sector needs to move beyond that in how they speak to people.

[A-Series-Of-Tubes]

Hot take: This statue debate shows (Among other things) the nationalist confusion between the power of their ritual and the power of their ritualized object.

They're projecting the power they felt of seeing our president statues and monuments onto these more localized them without necessarily giving them the same level of endorsement. But the history of those places are by our institutions being taught and expressed around those statues not because of them.

Statue just by your local place or state...just don't have all that associated with and as such their practical effects are "Why are we celebrating this asshole?" rather than "Oh i'm going to look up and treat this guy as a mixed bag."

Statues are singular, typically having a special location in a park or square. They almost always show the subject in a heroic or at least thoughtful posture: a singular view which does not at all encourage "this guy is a mixed bag". Critically they do not change over time to match the public's view.

[A-Series-Of-Tubes]

"A mixed bag" to reflect that the corpus of statues were all New once, would be to replace some of the statues of that person, with statues critical of their faults.

[Uiiop]

Hot take: This statue debate shows (Among other things) the nationalist confusion between the power of their ritual and the power of their ritualized object.

They're projecting the power they felt of seeing our president statues and monuments onto these more localized them without necessarily giving them the same level of endorsement. But the history of those places are by our institutions being taught and expressed around those statues not because of them.

Statue just by your local place or state...just don't have all that associated with and as such their practical effects are "Why are we celebrating this asshole?" rather than "Oh i'm going to look up and treat this guy as a mixed bag."

Statues are singular, typically having a special location in a park or square. They almost always show the subject in a heroic or at least thoughtful posture: a singular view which does not at all encourage "this guy is a mixed bag". Critically they do not change over time to match the public's view.

Good points but let's be fair here.
They're not supposed to be an expression of nuance but an invitation/encouragement to look for it and that's apparently a widely accepted function of statues that overrides the authorial intent.

It's still unproven BS tho.