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Postby Ifreann » Fri Feb 12, 2021 10:00 am

Loeje wrote:
Ifreann wrote:People inclined to sacrifice their political career in the pursuit of justice don't tend to become Republican senators.

Then they shouldn't become senators at all. They knew that it would involve sacrifice.

They knew it would involve money and power. It doesn't involve sacrifice.
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Postby Echo Chamber Thought Police » Fri Feb 12, 2021 10:00 am

Greater Miami Shores wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
You have no argument whatsoever other than the same canned answers over and over again and refuse to acknowledge anything that contradicts the reality you've constructed and dismiss it as opinions. You dont know the difference between fact and opinion.

You even said if Trump said the Earth was flat you'd accept it as fact.

I was being sarcastic, lol :) All of you dismiss anything I say, post or link too anyway. All of you dismiss anything any of us Trump supporters say, post or link too anyway. It works both ways not just one way. We strongly disagree on these related issues. I have no problems with anti Trump Persons anti Trump views. I accept them while strongly disagreeing with them.

omg you didnt add 'GMS.' :eek:
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Postby San Lumen » Fri Feb 12, 2021 10:02 am

Ifreann wrote:
Loeje wrote:Then they shouldn't become senators at all. They knew that it would involve sacrifice.

They knew it would involve money and power. It doesn't involve sacrifice.


it also involves putting country over party. Sometimes what's right isn't popular even among your base.
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Postby Ifreann » Fri Feb 12, 2021 10:05 am

San Lumen wrote:
Ifreann wrote:They knew it would involve money and power. It doesn't involve sacrifice.


it also involves putting country over party. Sometimes what's right isn't popular even among your base.

Being in government does not involve putting country over party. Have you chosen to forget everything that happened for the last four years?
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Postby Drew Durrnil » Fri Feb 12, 2021 10:12 am

Echo Chamber Thought Police wrote:
Greater Miami Shores wrote:I was being sarcastic, lol :) All of you dismiss anything I say, post or link too anyway. All of you dismiss anything any of us Trump supporters say, post or link too anyway. It works both ways not just one way. We strongly disagree on these related issues. I have no problems with anti Trump Persons anti Trump views. I accept them while strongly disagreeing with them.

omg you didnt add '-snip-.' :eek:

That was literally what I was thinking lmao
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Postby Loeje » Fri Feb 12, 2021 10:12 am

Ifreann wrote:
Loeje wrote:Then they shouldn't become senators at all. They knew that it would involve sacrifice.

They knew it would involve money and power. It doesn't involve sacrifice.

In theory, being in Congress means serving the American people and defending the Constitution. They were aware of that. Now I expect them to put those ideals into practice.
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Postby Greater Miami Shores » Fri Feb 12, 2021 10:14 am

Ifreann wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
it also involves putting country over party. Sometimes what's right isn't popular even among your base.

Being in government does not involve putting country over party. Have you chosen to forget everything that happened for the last four years?

The same applies to Democrats, they don't put nation over party. The first and second Democrat impeachment and conviction attempt against Republican President Trump, based on nothing but personal and political hate, as I have described in details many times. This is not unity as Biden once so called claimed he wants.

Biden's and the Democrat's America Last Policies, Vaccinations for Gitmo detainees. Abortion money for other nations. The end of the Keystone oil pipeline, oil and gas executive orders, illegals being practically declared legal, while American workers have lost their jobs due to the virus crisis that is responsible for the deaths of Americans and persons all over the world. Not President Trump. We are following the exact same health guidelines I have described in details many times under Biden that we were following under President Trump. We are not doing anything different. The list goes on, on and on.

GMS.
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Postby Istoreya » Fri Feb 12, 2021 10:20 am

Greater Miami Shores wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Being in government does not involve putting country over party. Have you chosen to forget everything that happened for the last four years?

The same applies to Democrats, they don't put nation over party. The first and second Democrat impeachment and conviction attempt against Republican President Trump, based on nothing but personal and political hate, as I have described in details many times. This is not unity as Biden once so called claimed he wants.

Biden's and the Democrat's America Last Policies, Vaccinations for Gitmo detainees. Abortion money for other nations. The end of the Keystone oil pipeline, oil and gas executive orders, illegals being practically declared legal, while American workers have lost their jobs due to the virus crisis that is responsible for the deaths of Americans and persons all over the world. Not President Trump. We are following the exact same health guidelines I have described in details many times under Biden that we were following under President Trump. We are not doing anything different. The list goes on, on and on.

GMS.

1) Biden did not impeach Trump. The Republicans impeached Trump. It was the votes of the Republicans that impeached him.
2) It is not based on mere hate. It is based on the violence that happened at the Capitol and other violence that happened under Trump's leadership. Whether or not you believe that Trump was responsible for the violence is irrelevant, because that is what the conviction trial aims to decide. You cannot brush off this trial as "Democrat hate" when it was not only Democrats who impeached him and you cannot brush it off without pretending a violent mob did not breach the Capitol in the name of Trump.
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Postby The New California Republic » Fri Feb 12, 2021 10:22 am

Greater Miami Shores wrote:[...] Vaccinations for Gitmo detainees. Abortion money for other nations. The end of the Keystone oil pipeline, oil and gas executive orders, illegals being practically declared legal [...]

...and these are problems...why, exactly?
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Postby Silvedania » Fri Feb 12, 2021 10:22 am

Greater Miami Shores wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Being in government does not involve putting country over party. Have you chosen to forget everything that happened for the last four years?

The same applies to Democrats, they don't put nation over party. The first and second Democrat impeachment and conviction attempt against Republican President Trump, based on nothing but personal and political hate, as I have described in details many times. This is not unity as Biden once so called claimed he wants.

Biden's and the Democrat's America Last Policies, Vaccinations for Gitmo detainees. Abortion money for other nations. The end of the Keystone oil pipeline, oil and gas executive orders, illegals being practically declared legal, while American workers have lost their jobs due to the virus crisis that is responsible for the deaths of Americans and persons all over the world. Not President Trump. We are following the exact same health guidelines I have described in details many times under Biden that we were following under President Trump. We are not doing anything different. The list goes on, on and on.

GMS.

'Based on nothing but personal and political hate'

Wow. He incited the riots, and while he did tell them to stand down eventually, he. incited. an. insurrection.
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Postby Greater Miami Shores » Fri Feb 12, 2021 10:24 am

Silvedania wrote:
Greater Miami Shores wrote:The same applies to Democrats, they don't put nation over party. The first and second Democrat impeachment and conviction attempt against Republican President Trump, based on nothing but personal and political hate, as I have described in details many times. This is not unity as Biden once so called claimed he wants.

Biden's and the Democrat's America Last Policies, Vaccinations for Gitmo detainees. Abortion money for other nations. The end of the Keystone oil pipeline, oil and gas executive orders, illegals being practically declared legal, while American workers have lost their jobs due to the virus crisis that is responsible for the deaths of Americans and persons all over the world. Not President Trump. We are following the exact same health guidelines I have described in details many times under Biden that we were following under President Trump. We are not doing anything different. The list goes on, on and on.

GMS.

'Based on nothing but personal and political hate'

Wow. He incited the riots, and while he did tell them to stand down eventually, he. incited. an. insurrection.

We have gone through this back forth a million plus time in details, we strongly disagree.

GMS. :) lol.
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Postby San Lumen » Fri Feb 12, 2021 10:26 am

Greater Miami Shores wrote:
Silvedania wrote:'Based on nothing but personal and political hate'

Wow. He incited the riots, and while he did tell them to stand down eventually, he. incited. an. insurrection.

We have gone through this back forth a million plus time in details, we strongly disagree.

GMS. :) lol.


Do you truly not understand the difference between fact and opinion? Why do you deny anything that contradicts the reality you have constructed?

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Postby Drew Durrnil » Fri Feb 12, 2021 10:27 am

Greater Miami Shores wrote:
Silvedania wrote:'Based on nothing but personal and political hate'

Wow. He incited the riots, and while he did tell them to stand down eventually, he. incited. an. insurrection.

We have gone through this back forth a million plus time in details, we strongly disagree.

GMS. :) lol.

You literally support people dying and getting tortured.
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Postby Istoreya » Fri Feb 12, 2021 10:28 am

Greater Miami Shores wrote:
Silvedania wrote:'Based on nothing but personal and political hate'

Wow. He incited the riots, and while he did tell them to stand down eventually, he. incited. an. insurrection.

We have gone through this back forth a million plus time in details, we strongly disagree.

GMS. :) lol.

This isn't something you can disagree on because it is a fact. There was a riot at the Capitol. The people who rioted claim they did so for Trump. They are now impeaching and convicting Trump to decide if he is responsible or not. How is that not a fact?

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Postby Greater Miami Shores » Fri Feb 12, 2021 10:31 am

The New California Republic wrote:
Greater Miami Shores wrote:[...] Vaccinations for Gitmo detainees. Abortion money for other nations. The end of the Keystone oil pipeline, oil and gas executive orders, illegals being practically declared legal [...]

...and these are problems...why, exactly?

Vaccinations should be for Americans first. I guess you like your taxpayers money $ being used for abortions in other nations. Tell the Keystone oil pipeline workers who have lost their jobs it is not a problem for them. Jobs and vaccinations should be for legal Americans first. Biden's America Last Policies.

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Postby The New California Republic » Fri Feb 12, 2021 10:36 am

Greater Miami Shores wrote:
The New California Republic wrote:...and these are problems...why, exactly?

Vaccinations should be for Americans first.

Lol the irony of this is that Trump had no vaccination distribution strategy whatsoever.
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Postby Greater Miami Shores » Fri Feb 12, 2021 10:39 am

The New California Republic wrote:
Greater Miami Shores wrote:Vaccinations should be for Americans first.

Lol the irony of this is that Trump had no vaccination distribution strategy whatsoever.

The vaccine was just recently available. President Trump did a lot to help the vaccine become available, but you guys on the left will never give him any credit for it. I see you did not comment on my other comments.

GMS.
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Postby Istoreya » Fri Feb 12, 2021 10:41 am

Greater Miami Shores wrote:
The New California Republic wrote:Lol the irony of this is that Trump had no vaccination distribution strategy whatsoever.

The vaccine was just recently available. President Trump did a lot to help the vaccine become available, but you guys on the left will never give him any credit for it.

GMS.

What did he do to help? Go on, tell us.

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Postby Vassenor » Fri Feb 12, 2021 10:42 am

Greater Miami Shores wrote:
The New California Republic wrote:...and these are problems...why, exactly?

Vaccinations should be for Americans first. I guess you like your taxpayers money $ being used for abortions in other nations. Tell the Keystone oil pipeline workers who have lost their jobs it is not a problem for them. Jobs and vaccinations should be for legal Americans first. Biden's America Last Policies.

GMS.


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Postby Necroghastia » Fri Feb 12, 2021 10:45 am

Greater Miami Shores wrote:
The New California Republic wrote:...and these are problems...why, exactly?

Vaccinations should be for Americans first. I guess you like your taxpayers money $ being used for abortions in other nations. Tell the Keystone oil pipeline workers who have lost their jobs it is not a problem for them. Jobs and vaccinations should be for legal Americans first. Biden's America Last Policies.

GMS.

wasn't the pipeline itself going to put more tanker drivers out of work than construction jobs it created
and also construction jobs are temporary, once it was done those people would STILL have been out of work
not to mention the environmental concerns as well as the concerns of native americans, if anything is "america last" it's ruining our environment and telling ACTUAL americans to go fuck themselves about it
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Postby The New California Republic » Fri Feb 12, 2021 10:51 am

Greater Miami Shores wrote:
The New California Republic wrote:Lol the irony of this is that Trump had no vaccination distribution strategy whatsoever.

The vaccine was just recently available. President Trump did a lot to help the vaccine become available, but you guys on the left will never give him any credit for it. I see you did not comment on my other comments.

GMS.

Not having a strategy for distribution of a vaccine in response to a pandemic was Trump at his most heartless and callous.
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Postby Maineiacs » Fri Feb 12, 2021 11:07 am

The New California Republic wrote:
Greater Miami Shores wrote:The vaccine was just recently available. President Trump did a lot to help the vaccine become available, but you guys on the left will never give him any credit for it. I see you did not comment on my other comments.

GMS.

Not having a strategy for distribution of a vaccine in response to a pandemic was Trump at his most heartless and callous.



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Postby Jakker » Fri Feb 12, 2021 11:16 am

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Greater Miami Shores wrote:We have gone through this back forth a million plus time in details, we strongly disagree.

GMS. :) lol.

You literally support people dying and getting tortured.
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Postby Gravlen » Fri Feb 12, 2021 11:18 am

Greater Miami Shores wrote:Biden's and the Democrat's America Last Policies, Vaccinations for Gitmo detainees.

So now you're calling Trump policies "America Last"?

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Due to its unique population, Guantanamo Bay moved through the phases of the rollout “at a faster clip than others,” Kirby told reporters Tuesday.

“The vaccination plan underway was underway before President [Joe] Biden took office, before Secretary [Lloyd] Austin took office,” he said. “That’s not to impugn that decision-making process at all … that scheme was already underway and being executed.”
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