American Politics IV: 1400 Reasons Why(A Stimulus Serial)

[Kilobugya]

I have never seen a Pro Trump Posts from you and the others, we are even.

No. Again, the equivalent of you saying bad things about Trump for a leftist is not saying good thing about Trump - but saying bad things about Biden. And plenty of us do, frequently, in NSG and elsewhere.

And those kind of hyper-relativists meta-arguments, instead of saying exactly where we are wrong in opposing Trump, or why he should be praised for, are a logical fallacy and barren form of arguing. Not everything is equivalent, the Earth is not oblong because some say it's round and others say it's flat.

[Kilobugya]

What's the difference between MSNBC, The Guardian, The Progressive and the Cuban government Granma?

You're perfectly aware that MSNBC and the Guardian are rabid anticommunists, and that MSNBC is even owned by megacorporations, right ? It's amazing how hyper-relativism can twist people's mind into completely losing ground with reality.

[Umeria]

Can anyone answer my original question? How does not trusting mainstream media make you more isolated?

[The Black Forrest]

Supporting the ex-president is one thing. Dismissing any claim against him; can’t find faults with him, etc. Is pretty cultish. If you find yourself saying fake news all the time. Kind of suggesting cultish attitudes. He has routinely ripped off his supporters (ie his legal defense fund) and they still support him. Oh and saying he says mean things sometimes is not a criticism.

You will find many democrats who support Biden have the ability to say he is full of crap on *some issue*. The cutists can’t do that.

Oh an yes your “news” sources range from right wing to right wing conspiracy rags (ie OANN) and much has you keep trying to suggest; reuters and the AP are not leftist.

Posted by The Black Forrest"
Oh an yes your “news” sources range from right wing to right wing conspiracy rags (ie OANN) and much has you keep trying to suggest; Decided by whom you, those who strongly agree with you and any links you can come up with? This what many right wingers says about leftist news sources, like MSNBC, The Progressive, the Guardian, Rachel Meadows and many more. I ask again, are any of you surprised and shocked?

I have never seen a Pro Trump Posts from you and the others, we are even.

I have in the past as have others. You tend to ignore them. At the top of my head the medal of freedom to tiger woods was a good thing.

What’s fascinating is you don’t have the ability to judge him on his corruption or the amount of lies he has told.

[The Black Forrest]

Can anyone answer my original question? How does not trusting mainstream media make you more isolated?

You have to define main stream media.

Saying they all lie and you resource to the blog of Cletus kind of makes you isolated.

[The Black Forrest]

What's the difference between Breitbart/OANN and Komsomolskaya Pravda/Krasnaya Zvezda other than an (alleged these days) difference in political views?

...what's the difference between two private digital media companies and two vast state-owned print enterprises...?

Depends on their fact checking and reporting.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

...what's the difference between two private digital media companies and two vast state-owned print enterprises...?

Depends on their fact checking and reporting.

Point was that between 4 purveyors of agitprop one would be hardpressed to find differences between them.

[The Black Forrest]

Depends on their fact checking and reporting.

Point was that between 4 purveyors of agitprop one would be hardpressed to find differences between them.

Of course it makes it simple if you simply declare they are all agitprop purveyors.

The problem? You have to prove it.

[Umeria]

Can anyone answer my original question? How does not trusting mainstream media make you more isolated?

You have to define main stream media.

Saying they all lie and you resource to the blog of Cletus kind of makes you isolated.

Saying CNN isn't trustworthy is different from saying they always lie. But you could hold either view and still interact with the outside world.

[Greater Miami Shores]

Posted by The Black Forrest"
Oh an yes your “news” sources range from right wing to right wing conspiracy rags (ie OANN) and much has you keep trying to suggest; Decided by whom you, those who strongly agree with you and any links you can come up with? This what many right wingers says about leftist news sources, like MSNBC, The Progressive, the Guardian, Rachel Meadows and many more. I ask again, are any of you surprised and shocked?

I have never seen a Pro Trump Posts from you and the others, we are even.

I have in the past as have others. You tend to ignore them. At the top of my head the medal of freedom to tiger woods was a good thing.

What’s fascinating is you don’t have the ability to judge him on his corruption or the amount of lies he has told.

One Post we both agree on the Medal of Freedom for Tiger Woods a friend of Republican President Trump:

“Well, I’ve known Donald for a number of years,” Woods said. “We’ve played golf together. We’ve had dinner together. I’ve known him pre-presidency and obviously during his presidency.”

“He’s the President of the United States. You have to respect the office. No matter who is in the office, you may like, dislike personality or the politics, but we all must respect the office.”

Later that year, President Trump awarded Woods the Presidential Medal of Freedom.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/golf/t ... r-BB14VS7H

As you all know in details, I strongly disagree with President Trump on his betrayal of the Kurds, I think Kurdistan can be and should be an oil rich, independent nation state, strong military power allied to the USA like Israel. I strongly disagree with President Trump's soft policies on North Korea, the short version I have posted about in details a few times, I used to work with 2 North Koreans and we shared stories about North Korea and Cuba and we found out we have a lot in common. I strongly disagree with President Trump thinking he could negotiate with the Taliban in Afghanistan in good faith.

[Ifreann]

Sounds like you're suggesting that the state should get to punish people extrajudicially on the basis of their religious beliefs.

Textbook selective hearing at it's finest.

You responded to a question about why the prisoners in Guantanamo can't just be transferred to prisons in the US by pointing to their religion. Unless you believe that they should simply be released then you are necessarily saying that their extrajudicial punishment(incarceration without trial in Guantanamo Bay) should continue because of their religion.

[Untecna]

I have in the past as have others. You tend to ignore them. At the top of my head the medal of freedom to tiger woods was a good thing.

What’s fascinating is you don’t have the ability to judge him on his corruption or the amount of lies he has told.

One Post we both agree on the Medal of Freedom for Tiger Woods a friend of Republican President Trump:

“Well, I’ve known Donald for a number of years,” Woods said. “We’ve played golf together. We’ve had dinner together. I’ve known him pre-presidency and obviously during his presidency.”

“He’s the President of the United States. You have to respect the office. No matter who is in the office, you may like, dislike personality or the politics, but we all must respect the office.”

Later that year, President Trump awarded Woods the Presidential Medal of Freedom.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/golf/t ... r-BB14VS7H

As you all know in details, I strongly disagree with President Trump on his betrayal of the Kurds, I think Kurdistan can be and should be an oil rich, independent nation state, military power allied to the USA like Israel. I strongly disagree with President Trump's soft policies on North Korea, the short version I have posted about in details a few times, I used to work with 2 North Koreans and we shared stories about North Korea and Cuba and we found out we have a lot in common. I strongly disagree with President Trump thinking he could negotiate with the Taliban in Afghanistan in good faith.

The Middle East has been a mess since the 1940s. It isn't ending anytime soon.

[The Black Forrest]

You have to define main stream media.

Saying they all lie and you resource to the blog of Cletus kind of makes you isolated.

Saying CNN isn't trustworthy is different from saying they always lie. But you could hold either view and still interact with the outside world.

It depends. If you only interact with like minded people? As in the example of the followers of the ex-president. Are they worldly?

[Untecna]

Saying CNN isn't trustworthy is different from saying they always lie. But you could hold either view and still interact with the outside world.

It depends. If you only interact with like minded people? As in the example of the followers of the ex-president. Are they worldly?

Just don't watch CNN or Fox, done. By this point it's just party media. Everything else is fair game.

[The Black Forrest]

It depends. If you only interact with like minded people? As in the example of the followers of the ex-president. Are they worldly?

Just don't watch CNN or Fox, done. By this point it's just party media. Everything else is fair game.

ah. and what should be watched?

[San Lumen]

What's the difference between Breitbart/OANN and Komsomolskaya Pravda/Krasnaya Zvezda other than an (alleged these days) difference in political views?

What's the difference between MSNBC, The Guardian, The Progressive and the Cuban government Granma?

MSNBC is at least somewhat reliable. OANN and Breitbart are not.

[Greater Miami Shores]

Saying CNN isn't trustworthy is different from saying they always lie. But you could hold either view and still interact with the outside world.

It depends. If you only interact with like minded people? As in the example of the followers of the ex-president. Are they worldly?

lol, your post can apply to Democrats too.

[Picairn]

Just don't watch CNN or Fox, done. By this point it's just party media. Everything else is fair game.

Who even watches cable news nowadays anyway? I'll stick to my news apps and print newspapers, thank you very much.

[Untecna]

Just don't watch CNN or Fox, done. By this point it's just party media. Everything else is fair game.

ah. and what should be watched?

Okay, you got me there. I usually just watch one of the networks (ABC, NBC, or CBS) for news. Most of it is just California though.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

One Post we both agree on the Medal of Freedom for Tiger Woods a friend of Republican President Trump:

“Well, I’ve known Donald for a number of years,” Woods said. “We’ve played golf together. We’ve had dinner together. I’ve known him pre-presidency and obviously during his presidency.”

“He’s the President of the United States. You have to respect the office. No matter who is in the office, you may like, dislike personality or the politics, but we all must respect the office.”

Later that year, President Trump awarded Woods the Presidential Medal of Freedom.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/golf/t ... r-BB14VS7H

Caligula making his horse consul was more fun.

Of course it makes it simple if you simply declare they are all agitprop purveyors.

The problem? You have to prove it.

Tbh what OANN/Breitbart sells is pretty incontrovertible amongst those not addled by their goods I would think. Red Star is usually ok on the technical stuff I would think but then you had them laughing at the USN for grounding USS Missouri. Komsomolskaya Pravda was ofc the propaganda arm of the Komsomol until it all came down, and these days you find its columnists speculating whether or not America orchestrated the Charlie Hebdo attack, on the fatness of Manchester or on the relative level of disgust re. homosexuality.

[San Lumen]

ah. and what should be watched?

Okay, you got me there. I usually just watch one of the networks (ABC, NBC, or CBS) for news. Most of it is just California though.

ABC is my primary news source.

[Greater Miami Shores]

What's the difference between MSNBC, The Guardian, The Progressive and the Cuban government Granma?

MSNBC is at least somewhat reliable. OANN and Breitbart are not.

Again many right wingers say MSNBC is not reliable, many say it is biased, the same thing leftists say about OANN, Breitbart and the others. Are any of you surprised and shocked? S L I am surprised you post to me after what happened? GMS.

[San Lumen]

MSNBC is at least somewhat reliable. OANN and Breitbart are not.

Again many right wingers say MSNBC is not reliable, many say it is biased, the same thing leftists say about OANN, Breitbart and the others. Are any of you surprised and shocked? S L I am surprised you post to me after what happened? GMS.

I gave you proof your sources are not reliable yet like always you chose to believe your own facts and narrative.

[Untecna]

Okay, you got me there. I usually just watch one of the networks (ABC, NBC, or CBS) for news. Most of it is just California though.

ABC is my primary news source.

It's usually CBS for me. Sometimes NBC, rarely ABC, never Fox.

[The Black Forrest]

I have in the past as have others. You tend to ignore them. At the top of my head the medal of freedom to tiger woods was a good thing.

What’s fascinating is you don’t have the ability to judge him on his corruption or the amount of lies he has told.

One Post we both agree on the Medal of Freedom for Tiger Woods a friend of Republican President Trump:

“Well, I’ve known Donald for a number of years,” Woods said. “We’ve played golf together. We’ve had dinner together. I’ve known him pre-presidency and obviously during his presidency.”

“He’s the President of the United States. You have to respect the office. No matter who is in the office, you may like, dislike personality or the politics, but we all must respect the office.”

Later that year, President Trump awarded Woods the Presidential Medal of Freedom.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/golf/t ... r-BB14VS7H

As you all know in details, I strongly disagree with President Trump on his betrayal of the Kurds, I think Kurdistan can be and should be an oil rich, independent nation state, strong military power allied to the USA like Israel. I strongly disagree with President Trump's soft policies on North Korea, the short version I have posted about in details a few times, I used to work with 2 North Koreans and we shared stories about North Korea and Cuba and we found out we have a lot in common. I strongly disagree with President Trump thinking he could negotiate with the Taliban in Afghanistan in good faith.

Ahh. Ok.

The Kurd question. Was the just a mistake or a major fuckup?

What soft policies? He thought he was buds with Kim and did what no other Preisdent has done. Stepped into NK? Was that a mistake or a fuck up?

His negotiating abilities? Self inflated or he is good at it?