American Politics IV: 1400 Reasons Why(A Stimulus Serial)

[Neutraligon]

Problem. What to do with the current inhabitants. Their own countries don’t want them back.

Is there a logical reason their own nations don't want them back? Solutions deport them to any nations. If they are terrorists or had something to do with 9 11 keep them locked up in Gitmo (Cuba) and problem solved.

Not legal to deport someone to random country. Keeping them in GITMO without a trial is/should be illegal. Keeping them in GITMO does not solve the problem.

[The Alma Mater]

Problem. What to do with the current inhabitants. Their own countries don’t want them back.

Is there a logical reason their own nations don't want them back? Solutions deport them to any nations. If they are terrorists or had something to do with 9 11 keep them locked up in Gitmo (Cuba) and problem solved.

You have a group of people that has been tortured on a daily basis without a trial or even without the suspision of wrongdoing.
Reintroducing them into society will be ... tricky.

[Shrillland]

Is there a logical reason their own nations don't want them back? Solutions deport them to any nations. If they are terrorists or had something to do with 9 11 keep them locked up in Gitmo (Cuba) and problem solved.

You have a group of people that has been tortured on a daily basis without a trial or even without the suspision of wrongdoing.
Reintroducing them into society will be ... tricky.

Indeed, and if we keep them there too much longer, it may become impossible.

[Maineiacs]

You have a group of people that has been tortured on a daily basis without a trial or even without the suspision of wrongdoing.
Reintroducing them into society will be ... tricky.

Indeed, and if we keep them there too much longer, it may become impossible.

It likely already is for at least some of them.

[Shrillland]

Indeed, and if we keep them there too much longer, it may become impossible.

It likely already is for at least some of them.

Aye, but there's still time left to try. When we hit the 30-year mark, then I'll concede defeat.

[Vassenor]

Like at the very least what's the reason they can't just be incarcerated in US prisons? Or is that just because that makes it impossible to torture them?

[Shrillland]

Like at the very least what's the reason they can't just be incarcerated in US prisons? Or is that just because that makes it impossible to torture them?

That's part of it. The rest is that no state wants them due to continuous scaremongering that they'd somehow escape even though America's supermax prisons are harder to get out of than Guantanamo Bay.

[The United Confederacy of Texas]

Royal Crown Cola is master race!

Wrong, Pibb Xtra is the nectar of the gods and I will strangle anyone who says otherwise (might as well get one last post in before the thread gets limit-locked)

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Close Gitmo.

That is all.

Problem. What to do with the current inhabitants. Their own countries don’t want them back.

If there is truly nowhere else for them to go and no arrangement that can be made, the US should set them up somewhere in America and pay them a stipend to live off for the rest of their lives, it's the least you can do for victims of wrongful incarceration.

[The Alma Mater]

Like at the very least what's the reason they can't just be incarcerated in US prisons? Or is that just because that makes it impossible to torture them?

Incarcerating someone in an American prison without a trial while knowing they are not guilty is.. well.. a thing.

[Vassenor]

Like at the very least what's the reason they can't just be incarcerated in US prisons? Or is that just because that makes it impossible to torture them?

Incarcerating someone in an American prison without a trial while knowing they are not guilty is.. well.. a thing.

I don't recall saying they should be denied due process.

[The Alma Mater]

Incarcerating someone in an American prison without a trial while knowing they are not guilty is.. well.. a thing.

I don't recall saying they should be denied due process.

You asked why they could not simply be moved from Guantanomo to a normal prison. I answered that these people never had a trial; and that that is an issue when trying to put them in an American prison.

[Kowani]

We got our first progressive primary challenger of 2022, community organizer Odessa Kelly, who will be taking on ten-term incumbent Rep. Jim Cooper (D-TN)

[Kilobugya]

Like at the very least what's the reason they can't just be incarcerated in US prisons? Or is that just because that makes it impossible to torture them?

My understanding is that to put them in US prison they have to grant them a trial, and they don't want to - either because they have no evidence, or because said evidence is classified.

As for torture, US prisons tend to abuse from solitary confinement, which is a form of torture. But sure, they do even worse in Guantanamo.

[Zurkerx]

“The mainstream media today is just a part of the Democratic Party”: Why Being ‘Anti-Media’ Is Now Part Of The GOP Identity.

That particular phase, when asked as a question by YouGov, garnished 92% among Republicans. In addition, only 10% of Republicans trust "the media" compared to 36% among independents and 73% among Democrats. Interesting thing to point out: 10% of Republicans aren't fond of Trump based on polls:

Certainly, both parties perceive bias in the news and their trust is varying as they seek out news sources that align with their beliefs (this site is a prime example of that). However, what makes Republican Party (and its voter base) unique is on how many sources they rely on one to three mostly (they trust 7 overall). Those sources comprise of OANN, Newsmax, and the biggest one, Fox. Democrats, on the other hand, get their news from a variety of sources (they trust 22). This, by the way, was among 30 sources Pew asked.

This has been happening for years among all political groups, especially among Republicans, but for the GOP, it has nosedived and intensified when Trump came into power. The GOP was already viewed as somewhat of an "isolated political group" and this further solidified this. That has not only made them more distrustful of the media and hardened their views- it also has made them openly more hostile, and as we have seen in recent months, more violent. Essentially, this community has evolved into a cult, one with a resolve that won't be going anywhere anytime soon.

[Greater Miami Shores]

“The mainstream media today is just a part of the Democratic Party”: Why Being ‘Anti-Media’ Is Now Part Of The GOP Identity.

That particular phase, when asked as a question by YouGov, garnished 92% among Republicans. In addition, only 10% of Republicans trust "the media" compared to 36% among independents and 73% among Democrats. Interesting thing to point out: 10% of Republicans aren't fond of Trump based on polls:

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Certainly, both parties perceive bias in the news and their trust is varying as they seek out news sources that align with their beliefs (this site is a prime example of that). However, what makes Republican Party (and its voter base) unique is on how many sources they rely on one to three mostly (they trust 7 overall). Those sources comprise of OANN, Newsmax, and the biggest one, Fox. Democrats, on the other hand, get their news from a variety of sources (they trust 22). This, by the way, was among 30 sources Pew asked.

This has been happening for years among all political groups, especially among Republicans, but for the GOP, it has nosedived and intensified when Trump came into power. The GOP was already viewed as somewhat of an "isolated political group" and this further solidified this. That has not only made them more distrustful of the media and hardened their views- it also has made them openly more hostile, and as we have seen in recent months, more violent. Essentially, this community has evolved into a cult, one with a resolve that won't be going anywhere anytime soon.

Who agrees and who disagrees, I agree?
There is no such thing as a Republican Cult or a Trump Cult, just like there is no such thing as a Democrat Cult or a Biden Cult. There is a Republican base and a Democrat Base and a Trump base and a Biden base, it is called Politics. GMS.

There are Republican Talking Points and Democrat Talking Points. There is a right wing media and leftist media, the right spins it to the right and the left spins it to the left. There are actually more than 2 medias. There is a right wing spin machine and there is leftist spin machine.

A certain leftist Person had the nerve to suggest to me which news sources I should Post from, comment from and link from, what a coincidence they all agree with the leftist Persons views not my views. How Dare I do the same to any Person to fit my views?

I have been told for 4 years we have tried to teach him, to educate him, he is a F brick wall to talk too, what a coincidence it is all related to Republican President Donald J Trump of The USA. No one needs to teach and educate any persons to fit there views? How dare I?

I told you to put him on ignore, what a coincidence it only happens on Republican President Trump related threads and Posts, not even on Cuba my real Pet issue on NS.

I Rest My Case - GMS.

[Kilobugya]

There is no such thing as a Republican Cult or a Trump Cult, just like there is no such thing as a Democrat Cult or a Biden Cult. There is a Republican base and a Democrat Base and a Trump base and a Biden base, it is called Politics.

Except that most Democracts are ready to criticize Biden when he makes mistakes, while most Republicans turn a blind eye to Trump bragging about sexual assault, praising white supremacists, blackmailing election officials to overturn the results, incitating a violent insurrection, or using federal funding to blackmail foreign officials into investigating his rivals, or countless over crimes he committed. So no, you can't draw a parallel at all.

But it's true it's not really "Democrats vs Republicans", it's more Trump-specific. Most Republicans did abandon Nixon, when it was obvious our crooked he was. Yet they stick to Trump despite him being orders of magnitude worse. That's what turns a political party into a cult. Trump himself said it - he could murder someone on the 5th avenue, and his "base" will still follow him. That's not politics, that's a cult.

[Greater Miami Shores]

There is no such thing as a Republican Cult or a Trump Cult, just like there is no such thing as a Democrat Cult or a Biden Cult. There is a Republican base and a Democrat Base and a Trump base and a Biden base, it is called Politics.

Except that most Democracts are ready to criticize Biden when he makes mistakes, while most Republicans turn a blind eye to Trump bragging about sexual assault, praising white supremacists, blackmailing election officials to overturn the results, incitating a violent insurrection, or using federal funding to blackmail foreign officials into investigating his rivals, or countless over crimes he committed. So no, you can't draw a parallel at all.

But it's true it's not really "Democrats vs Republicans", it's more Trump-specific. Most Republicans did abandon Nixon, when it was obvious our crooked he was. Yet they stick to Trump despite him being orders of magnitude worse. That's what turns a political party into a cult. Trump himself said it - he could murder someone on the 5th avenue, and his "base" will still follow him. That's not politics, that's a cult.

We are Proud Republican Trump Supporters, Pro USA, USA, USA, American Patriot Citizens of the USA, because we strongly agree with President Trump and the Republicans on most issues, as I have posted about in details many times. GMS.

[Umeria]

This has been happening for years among all political groups, especially among Republicans, but for the GOP, it has nosedived and intensified when Trump came into power. The GOP was already viewed as somewhat of an "isolated political group" and this further solidified this. That has not only made them more distrustful of the media and hardened their views- it also has made them openly more hostile, and as we have seen in recent months, more violent. Essentially, this community has evolved into a cult, one with a resolve that won't be going anywhere anytime soon.

I don't understand this connection. How does not trusting mainstream media make you more "isolated"?

[Greater Miami Shores]

This has been happening for years among all political groups, especially among Republicans, but for the GOP, it has nosedived and intensified when Trump came into power. The GOP was already viewed as somewhat of an "isolated political group" and this further solidified this. That has not only made them more distrustful of the media and hardened their views- it also has made them openly more hostile, and as we have seen in recent months, more violent. Essentially, this community has evolved into a cult, one with a resolve that won't be going anywhere anytime soon.

I don't understand this connection. How does not trusting mainstream media make you more "isolated"?

Yes, I agree with your question, but what you guys call mainstream media we call leftist media.

[Kilobugya]

Yes, I agree with your question, but what you guys call mainstream media we call leftist media.

Media owned by megacorporation, leftists ? That's just utterly ridiculous. All main media are right-wing and serve corporate interests. The difference being that some keep at least a layer of honesty, only selecting facts and doing heavy spinning, while others like Fox News or OANN voluntarily spread lies with no connection to reality anymore. Only massive delusion or very biased understanding of the world can make someone label media like CNN or MSNBC "left wing".

[Paddy O Fernature]

Like at the very least what's the reason they can't just be incarcerated in US prisons? Or is that just because that makes it impossible to torture them?

Mixing believers of radical Islam into the general prison population is just asking for trouble as conversion to said ideology has been an ongoing issue already in the past across several nations.

Royal Crown Cola is master race!

Wrong, Pibb Xtra is the nectar of the gods and I will strangle anyone who says otherwise (might as well get one last post in before the thread gets limit-locked)

I reject your reality and substitute my own!

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

Yes, I agree with your question, but what you guys call mainstream media we call leftist media.

Good god you should see Aftonbladet. It'd give you a stroke.

[San Lumen]

I don't understand this connection. How does not trusting mainstream media make you more "isolated"?

Yes, I agree with your question, but what you guys call mainstream media we call leftist media.

what you consider news such as OANN, Brieibart and NewsMax espouses lies and half truths. For example calling the election rigged despite there being zero evidence it was. They are not not reliable source and just because you believe them to be so doesn't make it truth.

[Ifreann]

Like at the very least what's the reason they can't just be incarcerated in US prisons? Or is that just because that makes it impossible to torture them?

Mixing believers of radical Islam into the general prison population is just asking for trouble as conversion to said ideology has been an ongoing issue already in the past across several nations.

Sounds like you're suggesting that the state should get to punish people extrajudicially on the basis of their religious beliefs.