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Postby North Washington Republic » Wed Mar 31, 2021 8:08 pm

Biden unveils sweeping $2 trillion infrastructure plan

It appears that President Biden is going big on his infrastructure plain. $2 trillion big ones! That is a lot...and in my opinion...too much...too soon after the COVID relief bill. The bill includes an increase in corporate tax from 21% to 28%. I think that is too much of an increase in a recession.
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Postby Shrillland » Wed Mar 31, 2021 8:11 pm

North Washington Republic wrote:Biden unveils sweeping $2 trillion infrastructure plan

It appears that President Biden is going big on his infrastructure plain. $2 trillion big ones! That is a lot...and in my opinion...too much...too soon after the COVID relief bill. The bill includes an increase in corporate tax from 21% to 28%. I think that is too much of an increase in a recession.


We have to raise the money somewhere. This is a reconstruction bill for a country in need of it as the pandemic draws ever closer to its end.
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Postby Kowani » Wed Mar 31, 2021 8:21 pm

North Washington Republic wrote:Biden unveils sweeping $2 trillion infrastructure plan

It appears that President Biden is going big on his infrastructure plain. $2 trillion big ones! That is a lot...and in my opinion...too much...too soon after the COVID relief bill. The bill includes an increase in corporate tax from 21% to 28%. I think that is too much of an increase in a recession.

no its not lmao
if you want to "raise money" (for some misguided reason) corporate taxes are literally the best way to do that without dragging down the economy
what you need first and foremost is AD
and to do that, you need 2 things
government spending (which'll help encourage the latter), and consumer spending
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Postby Galloism » Wed Mar 31, 2021 8:26 pm

Kowani wrote:New Hampshire Republicans are not subtle
Republicans in New Hampshire have introduced a spate of bills looking to make it harder — if not impossible — for college students to vote in the state, an effort to strip Democrats of an important bloc of supporters ahead of the 2022 midterm elections.

One bill being considered in the GOP-controlled state House would ban students from using their dorm address to register to vote. A second bill would remove student IDs from the list of acceptable forms of identification needed to cast a ballot.
New Hampshire doesn't have much of a minority vote to suppress. The state is 93 percent white, according to the Census Bureau.

But the state does have the largest number of college students per capita, with college students making up 11 percent of the state population, according to American School & University, a trade publication for education professionals. And college students overwhelmingly vote Democratic, with 65 percent of voters between the ages of 18 and 24 choosing Biden over Trump in 2020, according to national exit poll data.

New Hampshire will be a critical state for Republicans in the 2022 midterms, when they will seek to win back control of the Senate.

Democratic Sen. Maggie Hassan is up for reelection this year. She is one of just four Democrats up for reelection in the 2022 class of senators whose race is currently considered competitive, and thus Republicans will target the seat for a pick-up.

Aren’t college students generally considered “temporarily absent” anyway, with no change in domicile?

They are for taxes in most cases.
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Postby Shrillland » Wed Mar 31, 2021 8:33 pm

We never change here in Illinois:https://www.nytimes.com/2021/03/31/us/ray-lahood-billionaire-check.html?action=click&module=In%20Other%20News&pgtype=Homepage

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Postby Umeria » Wed Mar 31, 2021 8:43 pm

North Washington Republic wrote:It appears that President Biden is going big on his infrastructure plain. $2 trillion big ones! That is a lot...and in my opinion...too much...too soon after the COVID relief bill.

You need at least 4.6 trillion just to make the proper repairs. 2 trillion is pathetic, especially considering it'll probably be negotiated down to less than that.

North Washington Republic wrote:The bill includes an increase in corporate tax from 21% to 28%. I think that is too much of an increase in a recession.

It was 35% before Trump lowered it.
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Postby Kilobugya » Wed Mar 31, 2021 11:49 pm

Genivaria wrote:I do think that political related crimes should bar one from public office.
Accepting bribes, fraud, charges of corruption. That sort of thing.


That's how we do it here. In general convicts don't lose the right to vote and be candidate, but they do (as an additional penalty the judge can decide) for crimes related to elections (such as electoral fraud attempt) or crimes while in office.

Overall I think it's good when the justice system is independent and fair enough - but we have to be very careful, as you can see in Brazil with Lula's being barred from being candidate by a very partial judge Moro.
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Postby Kilobugya » Wed Mar 31, 2021 11:59 pm

Greater Miami Shores wrote:I posted a video link from CSPAN2 of Democrats like Nancy Pelosi, President Obama, Hillary Clinton, Barbara Boxer, Stefany Tubbs Jones and other Democrats objecting to the electoral college votes against Republican President Trump, while claiming Republican vote fraud, I posted a video link of Democrats objecting to the electoral college votes against Republican George W Bush, while claiming Republican vote fraud, Saying the same exact and or similar words Republicans used to object to the electoral college votes for Biden.


There are three very different situations and claim.

Democrats protested against Trump election in 2016, not claiming there was widespread fraud, but that Trump badly lost the popular vote, and was unfit to be President (which was actually the justification for the existence of the Electoral College, preventing unfit people from voting). So either you (like most leftists) oppose the Electoral College system and it was fair to oppose Trump because he did lose the popular vote. Or you support the Electoral College as a "firewall" to prevent unfit president, and then Trump should have been blocked.

Democrats protested against GW Bush election in 2000 because the margin of victory was very, very, very thin (about 500 votes) and there were very precise evidence of fraud (like the infamous "butterfly ballot").

And in neither of those cases they threatened to hang people, assaulted the Capitol nor killed anyone, despite having very valid reasons to be upset.

Republicans protested against Biden election in 2020 without the slightest shred of evidence, despite Biden overwhelmingly winning the popular vote, and requiring about 40 000 votes to be flipped to undo his victory (about 100x as much than in 2000).

If you consider those situations to be equivalent, it's like considering that a mosquito bite and a black widow bite are equivalent because they are bites.
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Postby Postauthoritarian America » Thu Apr 01, 2021 12:01 am

Kowani wrote:DOJ asks for more time to make decision on turning over Trump taxes
ustice Department (DOJ) lawyers have reportedly requested additional time to determine their response to House Democrats’ request for former President Trump’s tax returns.

CNN reported that lawyers for the department, along with attorneys representing the House Ways and Means Committee, said in a joint filing Wednesday that "they have had communications, and anticipate further communications, that may inform Defendants' position in this case."

The Justice Department lawyers, who represent the Treasury Department in this matter, asked the judge for an additional month to make a decision on whether to release the tax returns, according to CNN. The DOJ lawyers earlier this month had requested additional time, citing the change in leadership with the new administration.

The lawyers are set to update the judge again at the end of April.

DOJ lawyers said earlier this month that they would not object to a move by Washington, D.C., federal district Judge Trevor McFadden to extend his order through April 2 that requires the Treasury to give Trump’s personal lawyers 72-hours notice before providing the former president’s tax returns to the House Ways and Means Committee.

However, lawyers for the House committee said that any additional time granted to the administration to make its decision on the tax returns “should be limited, given how long the Committee’s request has been stymied.”


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Postby Kilobugya » Thu Apr 01, 2021 12:01 am

Dresderstan wrote:We don't need campaigns lasting so goddamn long with primaries stretched out over the spring into summer, if your going to have a primary, have a nationwide primary in September and the campaign season being two months long at best.


I really don't get why primaries are stretched over such a long time, there should be a single one, nation-wide, using IRV or Condorcet method. But not in September for the general election in November that's too close.
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Greater Miami Shores wrote:I posted once or twice I hope the claims against Democrat Biden hair sniffing and worse are false. But I have not seen any of you guys and ladies post I hope the charges against Republican Matt Gaetz are false, please post it now, thank you?


Again, allocating hope on the past is useless and cognitively dangerous. And there is no doubt Biden hair sniffing did happen. But while it's creepy and obnoxious, it's not the same level of severity than "sexual trafficking of minor" or "I grab 'em by the p*ssy".
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Postby Kilobugya » Thu Apr 01, 2021 12:08 am

North Washington Republic wrote:Biden unveils sweeping $2 trillion infrastructure plan

It appears that President Biden is going big on his infrastructure plain. $2 trillion big ones! That is a lot...and in my opinion...too much...too soon after the COVID relief bill. The bill includes an increase in corporate tax from 21% to 28%. I think that is too much of an increase in a recession.


Actually massive government spending, especially on long-term and hard to outsource things like infrastructure, is exactly what's needed to get a country out of recession. It's the best time to do it.
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Postby Picairn » Thu Apr 01, 2021 12:32 am

North Washington Republic wrote:Biden unveils sweeping $2 trillion infrastructure plan

It appears that President Biden is going big on his infrastructure plain. $2 trillion big ones! That is a lot...and in my opinion...too much...too soon after the COVID relief bill. The bill includes an increase in corporate tax from 21% to 28%. I think that is too much of an increase in a recession.

We'll need at least $4 trillion and higher to completely repair America's infrastructure. And probably an even bigger amount to fight climate change.

Spending on infrastructure, I believe, will offset whatever costs that are generated from corporate tax hikes. More jobs, more economic activities, a double win!
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Postby Zurkerx » Thu Apr 01, 2021 5:46 am

Picairn wrote:
North Washington Republic wrote:Biden unveils sweeping $2 trillion infrastructure plan

It appears that President Biden is going big on his infrastructure plain. $2 trillion big ones! That is a lot...and in my opinion...too much...too soon after the COVID relief bill. The bill includes an increase in corporate tax from 21% to 28%. I think that is too much of an increase in a recession.

We'll need at least $4 trillion and higher to completely repair America's infrastructure. And probably an even bigger amount to fight climate change.

Spending on infrastructure, I believe, will offset whatever costs that are generated from corporate tax hikes. More jobs, more economic activities, a double win!


Republicans don't seem too keen on increasing taxes, especially corporate, and especially are wary of the price tag. They'll fight this until the end though what will probably throw the plan in jeopardy is Manchin.
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Postby Greater Miami Shores » Thu Apr 01, 2021 5:51 am

Zurkerx wrote:
Picairn wrote:We'll need at least $4 trillion and higher to completely repair America's infrastructure. And probably an even bigger amount to fight climate change.

Spending on infrastructure, I believe, will offset whatever costs that are generated from corporate tax hikes. More jobs, more economic activities, a double win!


Republicans don't seem too keen on increasing taxes, especially corporate, and especially are wary of the price tag. They'll fight this until the end though what will probably throw the plan in jeopardy is Manchin.

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Postby Kilobugya » Thu Apr 01, 2021 5:52 am

Zurkerx wrote:Republicans don't seem too keen on increasing taxes, especially corporate, and especially are wary of the price tag. They'll fight this until the end though what will probably throw the plan in jeopardy is Manchin.


I think Manchin can support the plan. His state is in dire need for better infrastructure, and he will probably be able (due to his deal-killer position) be able to get more than his share out of it.
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Postby The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp » Thu Apr 01, 2021 8:18 am

Guys, I have some very important news.

Trump proves all the voter fraud allegations true, he has officially replaced Biden as POTUS.

This isn't a joke, here is a youtube link from BBC.

LA times now also reporting this news

Edit: RT now also reporting this
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Postby The Black Forrest » Thu Apr 01, 2021 8:51 am

Greater Miami Shores wrote:
Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:
I feel bad for Hunter. Dude literally did nothing wrong but because his dad was running for president he got branded a witch by a hypocritical, immature conman whose never done an honest day's work in his life. Trumpers probably harass the poor guy all the time about this bullshit. It's disgusting.

Greater Miami Shores: I Posted this Post below by accident to Trollzyn the Infinite who has me on ignore, but I can still see his posts and quote him, since I don't put any persons on ignore for any reasons I don't know how the ignore system works, and I don't want to know because I will never put any persons on ignore for any reasons.

I meant to quote The Black Forrest.

It does not make Gaetz guilty or not guilty. If Hunter Biden is guilty or might be guilty or might not be guilty we don't know for sure, so nobody should feel sorry Gaetz or for Hunter Biden.


I am not even sure what you are trying to say. The post was laden with extraneous words and a little convoluted. The one part I did get....:

No Hunter Biden is ok to feel a little sorry. It was a political attack at the direction of a cruel and vindictive man(the ex-presidents sister actually called him that).

Gaetz is yet to be determined. Trafficking under age children for sexual purposes is a rather bad claim to make. It’s something not made lightly.
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Postby Austria-Bohemia-Hungary » Thu Apr 01, 2021 9:19 am

The Black Forrest wrote:Gaetz is yet to be determined. Trafficking under age children for sexual purposes is a rather bad claim to make. It’s something not made lightly.

Whatever Herr Gaetz' part in this is, this sole dissenting vote now looks extremely suspect.
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Postby Bear Stearns » Thu Apr 01, 2021 10:22 am

Perhaps the most surprising thing about the Matt Gaetz situation is that he is straight.
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