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Postby North Washington Republic » Mon Mar 29, 2021 3:25 pm

San Lumen wrote:https://kstp.com/politics/minnesota-lawmaker-proposes-secession-to-border-states/6056189/?cat=12681

Minnesota lawmaker proposes succession for rural counties to border states especially South Dakota.

Rep. Jeremy Munson, of Lake Crystal, introduced the bill and tweeted out an image promoting a union with South Dakota. It shows nearly every county west of the Twin Cities metro as part of a newly imagined South Dakota.

“Minnesota becomes more politically polarized every year and the metro politicians have shown us that rural Minnesotans are no longer represented by St Paul. It’s time to leave,” read a webpage on Munson’s campaign website.

Republican South Dakota Gov. Kristi Noem appeared to support Munson’s idea by retweeting his plan with a note that said her state will “roll out the red carpet for people who love personal responsibility” and freedom.

Its unlikely this goes anywhere.


Hey, the dude is just grandstanding for publicity. He wants to get his name known to MN GOP voters, most likely he wants to run for a state wide office.
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Postby San Lumen » Mon Mar 29, 2021 3:55 pm

https://www.npr.org/2021/03/24/98078581 ... nor-injury

A few days old article but Biden's dogs Champ and Major have returned to the White House.

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Postby San Lumen » Mon Mar 29, 2021 3:58 pm

North Washington Republic wrote:
San Lumen wrote:https://kstp.com/politics/minnesota-lawmaker-proposes-secession-to-border-states/6056189/?cat=12681

Minnesota lawmaker proposes succession for rural counties to border states especially South Dakota.

Rep. Jeremy Munson, of Lake Crystal, introduced the bill and tweeted out an image promoting a union with South Dakota. It shows nearly every county west of the Twin Cities metro as part of a newly imagined South Dakota.

“Minnesota becomes more politically polarized every year and the metro politicians have shown us that rural Minnesotans are no longer represented by St Paul. It’s time to leave,” read a webpage on Munson’s campaign website.

Republican South Dakota Gov. Kristi Noem appeared to support Munson’s idea by retweeting his plan with a note that said her state will “roll out the red carpet for people who love personal responsibility” and freedom.

Its unlikely this goes anywhere.


Hey, the dude is just grandstanding for publicity. He wants to get his name known to MN GOP voters, most likely he wants to run for a state wide office.


He probably its. Its nothing more than a publicity stunt that will go nowhere.

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Two in a week....Sadly, the only big thing people might boycott that's Arkansas-based is Wal-Mart. and a lot of people that do go there aren't exactly in a position to boycott them even if they wanted to.
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Postby Cannot think of a name » Mon Mar 29, 2021 4:16 pm


Shit like this keeps happening and then some concern troll somewhere clucks their tongue and goes, "The Democrats need to give up this culture war nonsense..."
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Postby Postauthoritarian America » Mon Mar 29, 2021 4:44 pm

San Lumen wrote:https://kstp.com/politics/minnesota-lawmaker-proposes-secession-to-border-states/6056189/?cat=12681

Minnesota lawmaker proposes succession for rural counties to border states especially South Dakota.

Rep. Jeremy Munson, of Lake Crystal, introduced the bill and tweeted out an image promoting a union with South Dakota. It shows nearly every county west of the Twin Cities metro as part of a newly imagined South Dakota.

“Minnesota becomes more politically polarized every year and the metro politicians have shown us that rural Minnesotans are no longer represented by St Paul. It’s time to leave,” read a webpage on Munson’s campaign website.

Republican South Dakota Gov. Kristi Noem appeared to support Munson’s idea by retweeting his plan with a note that said her state will “roll out the red carpet for people who love personal responsibility” and freedom.

Its unlikely this goes anywhere.


A Minnesota Public Radio analysis concluded the people who would be happiest if East Dakota western Minnesota counties seceded would be the Democrats left in Minnesota who could reliably elect two Democratic Senators, a Governor, Democratic-controlled legislatures and Presidential Electors and mostly Democratic Representatives into the foreseeable future. New Minnesota would then be the progressive shining city on the hill for the rest of the nation. I'd be happy to see North, South and East Dakota combined into a single state; there is no reason there needs to be two Dakotas.

In other non-killer cop related Minnesota news, a Republican lawyer just got sanctioned to the tune of $10k for bringing frivolous election lawsuits that lacked not only factual evidence but also valid plaintiffs:

...it wasn’t until February when Republican activist Corinne Braun discovered her name was connected to one of the cases. She testified Friday that on a whim, she searched her own name in the state’s online court records system and was stunned to see the result...

Braun testified she had received an anonymous email asking to add her name to a list of disgruntled voters. She filled out the form and signed her name and then forwarded the email to about 5,000 people on her mailing list.

As Shogren Smith explained in court, what Braun had signed was an affidavit that agreed she “will be joining with other voters across Minnesota to contest Minnesota election results...”

Through her questioning, Shogren Smith explained to Braun that contesting an election in Minnesota means filing a lawsuit. At that point, Judge Castro interrupted to suggest the explanation was long overdue.

“You should have had this conversation with your client back in November and not now,” he said
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Postby San Lumen » Mon Mar 29, 2021 4:53 pm

Postauthoritarian America wrote:
San Lumen wrote:https://kstp.com/politics/minnesota-lawmaker-proposes-secession-to-border-states/6056189/?cat=12681

Minnesota lawmaker proposes succession for rural counties to border states especially South Dakota.

Rep. Jeremy Munson, of Lake Crystal, introduced the bill and tweeted out an image promoting a union with South Dakota. It shows nearly every county west of the Twin Cities metro as part of a newly imagined South Dakota.

“Minnesota becomes more politically polarized every year and the metro politicians have shown us that rural Minnesotans are no longer represented by St Paul. It’s time to leave,” read a webpage on Munson’s campaign website.

Republican South Dakota Gov. Kristi Noem appeared to support Munson’s idea by retweeting his plan with a note that said her state will “roll out the red carpet for people who love personal responsibility” and freedom.

Its unlikely this goes anywhere.


A Minnesota Public Radio analysis concluded the people who would be happiest if East Dakota western Minnesota counties seceded would be the Democrats left in Minnesota who could reliably elect two Democratic Senators, a Governor, Democratic-controlled legislatures and Presidential Electors and mostly Democratic Representatives into the foreseeable future. New Minnesota would then be the progressive shining city on the hill for the rest of the nation. I'd be happy to see North, South and East Dakota combined into a single state; there is no reason there needs to be two Dakotas.

In other non-killer cop related Minnesota news, a Republican lawyer just got sanctioned to the tune of $10k for bringing frivolous election lawsuits that lacked not only factual evidence but also valid plaintiffs:

...it wasn’t until February when Republican activist Corinne Braun discovered her name was connected to one of the cases. She testified Friday that on a whim, she searched her own name in the state’s online court records system and was stunned to see the result...

Braun testified she had received an anonymous email asking to add her name to a list of disgruntled voters. She filled out the form and signed her name and then forwarded the email to about 5,000 people on her mailing list.

As Shogren Smith explained in court, what Braun had signed was an affidavit that agreed she “will be joining with other voters across Minnesota to contest Minnesota election results...”

Through her questioning, Shogren Smith explained to Braun that contesting an election in Minnesota means filing a lawsuit. At that point, Judge Castro interrupted to suggest the explanation was long overdue.

“You should have had this conversation with your client back in November and not now,” he said


Its never going to pass the legislature. Succession should not be something one discusses when you don't like the outcome of an election.

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Postby Postauthoritarian America » Mon Mar 29, 2021 5:02 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Postauthoritarian America wrote:
A Minnesota Public Radio analysis concluded the people who would be happiest if East Dakota western Minnesota counties seceded would be the Democrats left in Minnesota who could reliably elect two Democratic Senators, a Governor, Democratic-controlled legislatures and Presidential Electors and mostly Democratic Representatives into the foreseeable future. New Minnesota would then be the progressive shining city on the hill for the rest of the nation. I'd be happy to see North, South and East Dakota combined into a single state; there is no reason there needs to be two Dakotas.

In other non-killer cop related Minnesota news, a Republican lawyer just got sanctioned to the tune of $10k for bringing frivolous election lawsuits that lacked not only factual evidence but also valid plaintiffs:



Its never going to pass the legislature. Succession should not be something one discusses when you don't like the outcome of an election.


Also the GDP of New South Dakota would decrease around $8k per capita while that of New Minnesota would increase around $7k per capita, making it the nation's seventh most prosperous state by that measure.

P.S. you mean "secession"
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Postby San Lumen » Mon Mar 29, 2021 5:08 pm

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/202 ... -quiz.html

an interesting game created by the New York Times that shows you a neighborhood and you guess if it voted for Biden or Trump.
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Postby Kowani » Mon Mar 29, 2021 5:17 pm

Florida Republicans considering new election bill that would expand a zone in which it is prohibited to offer voters assistance within 100 feet of polling locations to 150 feet, as well as a prohibition on giving “any item” to voters or “interacting or attempting to interact” with voters within that zone


Florida Republicans are considering a bill that would effectively make it a crime to give voters food or drink, including water, within 150 feet of polling places.

According to the text of an elections bill introduced last week, state law currently prohibits offering voters assistance within 100 feet of polling locations; H.B. 7041 proposes expanding that zone to 150 feet and includes a prohibition on giving “any item” to voters or “interacting or attempting to interact” with voters within that zone.

State Rep. Blaise Ingoglia, a Republican from Spring Hill, said in a committee meeting last Monday that the ban would include “food or beverages.” [...]H.B. 7041, which was recommended by an elections committee last Wednesday along party lines, is 44 pages long and contains a number of other election restrictions. It would require voters to request mail ballots more frequently, add more identification requirements for mail voting, and limit how drop boxes are used.

billtext here
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Postby Necroghastia » Mon Mar 29, 2021 6:11 pm

Kowani wrote:Florida Republicans considering new election bill that would expand a zone in which it is prohibited to offer voters assistance within 100 feet of polling locations to 150 feet, as well as a prohibition on giving “any item” to voters or “interacting or attempting to interact” with voters within that zone


Florida Republicans are considering a bill that would effectively make it a crime to give voters food or drink, including water, within 150 feet of polling places.

According to the text of an elections bill introduced last week, state law currently prohibits offering voters assistance within 100 feet of polling locations; H.B. 7041 proposes expanding that zone to 150 feet and includes a prohibition on giving “any item” to voters or “interacting or attempting to interact” with voters within that zone.

State Rep. Blaise Ingoglia, a Republican from Spring Hill, said in a committee meeting last Monday that the ban would include “food or beverages.” [...]H.B. 7041, which was recommended by an elections committee last Wednesday along party lines, is 44 pages long and contains a number of other election restrictions. It would require voters to request mail ballots more frequently, add more identification requirements for mail voting, and limit how drop boxes are used.

billtext here

W-wouldn't that technically make it illegal to give people ballots?
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Postby San Lumen » Mon Mar 29, 2021 6:13 pm

Necroghastia wrote:
Kowani wrote:Florida Republicans considering new election bill that would expand a zone in which it is prohibited to offer voters assistance within 100 feet of polling locations to 150 feet, as well as a prohibition on giving “any item” to voters or “interacting or attempting to interact” with voters within that zone


Florida Republicans are considering a bill that would effectively make it a crime to give voters food or drink, including water, within 150 feet of polling places.

According to the text of an elections bill introduced last week, state law currently prohibits offering voters assistance within 100 feet of polling locations; H.B. 7041 proposes expanding that zone to 150 feet and includes a prohibition on giving “any item” to voters or “interacting or attempting to interact” with voters within that zone.

State Rep. Blaise Ingoglia, a Republican from Spring Hill, said in a committee meeting last Monday that the ban would include “food or beverages.” [...]H.B. 7041, which was recommended by an elections committee last Wednesday along party lines, is 44 pages long and contains a number of other election restrictions. It would require voters to request mail ballots more frequently, add more identification requirements for mail voting, and limit how drop boxes are used.

billtext here

W-wouldn't that technically make it illegal to give people ballots?


No many states have laws about campaigning within a certain range of a polling place or within one. Its called electioneering.

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Postby Necroghastia » Mon Mar 29, 2021 6:14 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Necroghastia wrote:W-wouldn't that technically make it illegal to give people ballots?


No many states have laws about campaigning within a certain range of a polling place or within one. Its called electioneering.

...I don't think you understand what I'm driving at. If you can't give voters any item, you can't give them a ballot.
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San Lumen wrote:
No many states have laws about campaigning within a certain range of a polling place or within one. Its called electioneering.

...I don't think you understand what I'm driving at. If you can't give voters any item, you can't give them a ballot.


So the state is banning elections then?

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Postby Omniabstracta » Mon Mar 29, 2021 6:17 pm

Kowani wrote:Florida Republicans considering new election bill that would expand a zone in which it is prohibited to offer voters assistance within 100 feet of polling locations to 150 feet, as well as a prohibition on giving “any item” to voters or “interacting or attempting to interact” with voters within that zone


Florida Republicans are considering a bill that would effectively make it a crime to give voters food or drink, including water, within 150 feet of polling places.

According to the text of an elections bill introduced last week, state law currently prohibits offering voters assistance within 100 feet of polling locations; H.B. 7041 proposes expanding that zone to 150 feet and includes a prohibition on giving “any item” to voters or “interacting or attempting to interact” with voters within that zone.

State Rep. Blaise Ingoglia, a Republican from Spring Hill, said in a committee meeting last Monday that the ban would include “food or beverages.” [...]H.B. 7041, which was recommended by an elections committee last Wednesday along party lines, is 44 pages long and contains a number of other election restrictions. It would require voters to request mail ballots more frequently, add more identification requirements for mail voting, and limit how drop boxes are used.

billtext here

If giving people water while they’re waiting in line to vote is enough to influence them electorally, I’m pretty sure that means there’s something very wrong with our political education and the efficacy of the parties in actually helping their constituents. But sure, bandaids that do nothing are all the rage nowadays. They could at least be transparent about the attempts at voter suppression, they’re usually so good at saying the quite part aloud.
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Postby San Lumen » Mon Mar 29, 2021 6:18 pm

Omniabstracta wrote:
Kowani wrote:Florida Republicans considering new election bill that would expand a zone in which it is prohibited to offer voters assistance within 100 feet of polling locations to 150 feet, as well as a prohibition on giving “any item” to voters or “interacting or attempting to interact” with voters within that zone


Florida Republicans are considering a bill that would effectively make it a crime to give voters food or drink, including water, within 150 feet of polling places.

According to the text of an elections bill introduced last week, state law currently prohibits offering voters assistance within 100 feet of polling locations; H.B. 7041 proposes expanding that zone to 150 feet and includes a prohibition on giving “any item” to voters or “interacting or attempting to interact” with voters within that zone.

State Rep. Blaise Ingoglia, a Republican from Spring Hill, said in a committee meeting last Monday that the ban would include “food or beverages.” [...]H.B. 7041, which was recommended by an elections committee last Wednesday along party lines, is 44 pages long and contains a number of other election restrictions. It would require voters to request mail ballots more frequently, add more identification requirements for mail voting, and limit how drop boxes are used.

billtext here

If giving people water while they’re waiting in line to vote is enough to influence them electorally, I’m pretty sure that means there’s something very wrong with our political education and the efficacy of the parties in actually helping their constituents. But sure, bandaids that do nothing are all the rage nowadays. They could at least be transparent about the attempts at voter suppression, they’re usually so good at saying the quite part aloud.


They should campaign on making it harder to vote.

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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Mon Mar 29, 2021 6:19 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Omniabstracta wrote:If giving people water while they’re waiting in line to vote is enough to influence them electorally, I’m pretty sure that means there’s something very wrong with our political education and the efficacy of the parties in actually helping their constituents. But sure, bandaids that do nothing are all the rage nowadays. They could at least be transparent about the attempts at voter suppression, they’re usually so good at saying the quite part aloud.


They should campaign on making it harder to vote.


They've been doing that for like 50 years lol
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Postby San Lumen » Mon Mar 29, 2021 6:20 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
They should campaign on making it harder to vote.


They've been doing that for like 50 years lol


Not openly.

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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Mon Mar 29, 2021 6:21 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
They've been doing that for like 50 years lol


Not openly.


Idk man it's pretty open when you campaign against the Voting Rights Act.
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Postby San Lumen » Mon Mar 29, 2021 6:23 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
Not openly.


Idk man it's pretty open when you campaign against the Voting Rights Act.


I haven't heard of anyone openly campaigning against the VRA.

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Postby Ayytaly » Mon Mar 29, 2021 6:40 pm

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Alcala-Cordel wrote:I notice the talking point has shifted from “just give him time, you can’t expect Biden to do it immediately”.
Again, the context does not justify caging children in concentration camps. The US government could do so much better if it spent a tiny fraction of that money they spent on the military to help these children, but they’re hardly doing anything because they don’t really care. Stop making excuses for the monstrous behavior of the Biden administration, being “better than Trump” is not enough.

Biden and Harris have both spent their careers as politicians working to expand the prison population. Do you really think they’ve changed?


President Biden is building the infrastructure needed to house these children humanely. This did not exist under the Trump administration. To equate the two policies is purely based on ideology and not on the fact. President Biden is not ripping babies from their mother’s arms, unlike the former guy. He cannot snap his fingers and magically find appropriate housing for these children. I don’t believe that we should take money from our military because of escalating tensions with China and Russia. Also, I believe he does care, and to act like he is saying “screw them” is just plain not true by his words and by his actions.

Also, bringing the President and Vice President records on expanding ing the prison population is irrelevant. We are talking about minor children, not violent criminals.


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Postby Umeria » Mon Mar 29, 2021 6:43 pm

San Lumen wrote:They should campaign on making it harder to vote.

Better idea: Why don't Democrats campaign on helping regular people via massively popular ideas such as a higher minimum wage and single payer healthcare? They way they'll win no matter what the Republican message is.
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Postby Ayytaly » Mon Mar 29, 2021 6:51 pm

Umeria wrote:
San Lumen wrote:They should campaign on making it harder to vote.

Better idea: Why don't Democrats campaign on helping regular people via massively popular ideas such as a higher minimum wage and single payer healthcare? They way they'll win no matter what the Republican message is.

They're too busy pandering to selective demographs.

Pandering to BLM only alienated minorities that weren't paid any attention to, despite being victims of racial profiling and hate crimes themselves.

Pandering to LGBT issues, which is a no-no for many minorities with socially conssrvative views

Pandering to drug users

Led by out-of-touch suburban whites

Shall I go on?
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Postby San Lumen » Mon Mar 29, 2021 6:56 pm

Umeria wrote:
San Lumen wrote:They should campaign on making it harder to vote.

Better idea: Why don't Democrats campaign on helping regular people via massively popular ideas such as a higher minimum wage and single payer healthcare? They way they'll win no matter what the Republican message is.


They do campaign on that. Why didn't;t the Democrat win in West Virginia or Maine with that message?

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