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Postby Uiiop » Thu Mar 25, 2021 4:41 pm

Alcala-Cordel wrote:
Immortan Khan wrote:That San Diego is so low should probably be indicative that there are a lot of factors at play when it comes to explaining violent crime in the US compared to Europe. I think in general however it's ridiculous to compare a country in the Americas to one in Europe because Europe as a whole is less violent than the Americas for a number of social and historical factors. When it comes to other countries in N and S America, the US is actually pretty decent.

We're only relatively decent because we destabilized almost all of South America.

Anyways, guns themselves aren't the root of the problem. The problem is inequality, which has a strong relation to violent crime. What we need more than gun control is social programs, welfare,.. whatever, y'all know where I'm going with this. Communism will significantly reduce violent crime.

That sounds like actually good ideas...Can't have that. It's guns, banning video games, and/or just letting twitchy trigger fingers fly having god to sort us out. No more, no less.
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Postby Alcala-Cordel » Thu Mar 25, 2021 4:44 pm

Galloism wrote:
Alcala-Cordel wrote:We're only relatively decent because we destabilized almost all of South America.

Anyways, guns themselves aren't the root of the problem. The problem is inequality, which has a strong relation to violent crime. What we need more than gun control is social programs, welfare,.. whatever, y'all know where I'm going with this. Communism will significantly reduce violent crime.

I mean, we don’t have to go full communism to have a functioning social safety net.

The current system would still be fueled by the suffering of the third world, like it is in Scandinavia.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Thu Mar 25, 2021 4:45 pm

Alcala-Cordel wrote:
Galloism wrote:I mean, we don’t have to go full communism to have a functioning social safety net.

The current system would still be fueled by the suffering of the third world, like it is in Scandinavia.


Norway makes most of its money selling oil tho
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Postby Uiiop » Thu Mar 25, 2021 4:46 pm

Alcala-Cordel wrote:
Galloism wrote:I mean, we don’t have to go full communism to have a functioning social safety net.

The current system would still be fueled by the suffering of the third world, like it is in Scandinavia.

Needlessly to say, Some people can believe we can change our trade relationship without ending class even if the closest examples aren't there yet.
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Postby Immortan Khan » Thu Mar 25, 2021 4:46 pm

Galloism wrote:
Alcala-Cordel wrote:We're only relatively decent because we destabilized almost all of South America.

Anyways, guns themselves aren't the root of the problem. The problem is inequality, which has a strong relation to violent crime. What we need more than gun control is social programs, welfare,.. whatever, y'all know where I'm going with this. Communism will significantly reduce violent crime.

I mean, we don’t have to go full communism to have a functioning social safety net.

Not to mention it's not really tenable in communities of millions of people. Also I like my money.
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Postby Alcala-Cordel » Thu Mar 25, 2021 4:47 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Alcala-Cordel wrote:The current system would still be fueled by the suffering of the third world, like it is in Scandinavia.


Norway makes most of its money selling oil tho

...and?
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Postby Uiiop » Thu Mar 25, 2021 4:49 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Alcala-Cordel wrote:The current system would still be fueled by the suffering of the third world, like it is in Scandinavia.


Norway makes most of its money selling oil tho

Climate change contributor isn't a much better look.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Thu Mar 25, 2021 4:49 pm

Alcala-Cordel wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Norway makes most of its money selling oil tho

...and?


So how is their system fueled by the suffering of the third world when they make their money to fund said system via exports?
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Postby Alcala-Cordel » Thu Mar 25, 2021 4:54 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Alcala-Cordel wrote:...and?


So how is their system fueled by the suffering of the third world when they make their money to fund said system via exports?

So irl I've gotta go sonewhere like right now but I'll drop these links and probablt edit it into a post later. Uiiop's touched on a good number of points as well.
https://www.aljazeera.com/opinions/2019 ... rdic-model

https://www.telesurenglish.net/analysis ... -0022.html
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Postby San Lumen » Thu Mar 25, 2021 4:56 pm

Umeria wrote:
San Lumen wrote:It would lose them votes if they did.

Uh no it wouldn't, have you been paying attention the last 4 years


what makes you think campaigning on as difficult to vote as possible wouldn't lose them votes?

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Postby Umeria » Thu Mar 25, 2021 5:02 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Umeria wrote:Uh no it wouldn't, have you been paying attention the last 4 years

what makes you think campaigning on as difficult to vote as possible wouldn't lose them votes?

2016?
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Postby San Lumen » Thu Mar 25, 2021 5:02 pm

https://www.virginiamercury.com/2021/03 ... on-voting/

Virginia passed a bill that awaits the Governor's signature that dramatically expands voting rights. He has till March 31st to sign it but there is no indiction he won't.

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Postby Major-Tom » Thu Mar 25, 2021 5:05 pm

San Lumen wrote:https://www.virginiamercury.com/2021/03/24/virginia-sets-an-example-on-voting/

Virginia passed a bill that awaits the Governor's signature that dramatically expands voting rights. He has till March 31st to sign it but there is no indiction he won't.


A reverse Georgia then.

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Postby San Lumen » Thu Mar 25, 2021 5:07 pm

Major-Tom wrote:
San Lumen wrote:https://www.virginiamercury.com/2021/03/24/virginia-sets-an-example-on-voting/

Virginia passed a bill that awaits the Governor's signature that dramatically expands voting rights. He has till March 31st to sign it but there is no indiction he won't.


A reverse Georgia then.


Yes. This is why governor elections are so important next year to prevent bills like in Georgia from being passed.

Democrats will likely hold the legislature and Governorship in Virginia this year.
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Postby Salus Maior » Thu Mar 25, 2021 5:41 pm

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Well that's going to cause some backlash I imagine.


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Postby North Washington Republic » Thu Mar 25, 2021 6:25 pm

Salus Maior wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Well that's going to cause some backlash I imagine.


Eh, I don't mind a good Israel-shaming every now and then.


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Postby Neanderthaland » Thu Mar 25, 2021 6:29 pm

Galloism wrote:
Uiiop wrote:Are you sure you want to make that argument when the people who could change those circumstances/culture support gun control anyways?

Instead you should double check LA's and Chicago's gun laws. If one of them is strict that would really put the kibosh on the claimed correlations.

Don't get me wrong whether or not one ought to support Gun control laws in themselves in impacted by this but i think the discussions should be focused on the facts more than just that core question.

For example: You can also say "Gun laws aren't de facto enforced even in those good cites" like WRA implicitly claims or even just outright ask "Why aren't you acting like 3d Printing makes this argument pointless regardless?"

Chicago actually had some of the strictest gun laws in the nation prior McDonald v. Chicago.

In point of fact, handguns were completely banned. Hence the case.

But it also had one of the highest murder rates in the nation - even in comparison to other US cities with less regulation (which was almost all of them - except DC). It would be fun to say it’s the other way, but we can’t say that.

In point of fact, gun ownership (which is what a ban is targeted at) and murder rate has nothing to do with each other.

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Postby Odreria » Thu Mar 25, 2021 6:32 pm

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Dresderstan wrote:Bet his responses would be the same shit Obama did, words of threats, escalate tensions over said threats, do nothing with said threats, Kim launches another missile in response, rinse, repeat.


As opposed to Trump bending over and spreading for him.

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Postby Odreria » Thu Mar 25, 2021 6:36 pm

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Vassenor wrote:
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You framed it in a way that has its origins in homophobic imagery to attack one's opponents.

homophobia should only be used against policies that are bad
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Postby Senkaku » Thu Mar 25, 2021 7:02 pm

Vassenor wrote:
Immortan Khan wrote:You framed it in a way that has its origins in homophobic imagery to attack one's opponents.


:eyebrow:

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