American Politics IV: 1400 Reasons Why(A Stimulus Serial)

[The Sherpa Empire]

I was not a fan of President Bush. Only referred to him as a sock puppet and the shrub. He like other Presidents basically played J.D. Salinger and only appeared from time to time to promote something.

He actually gave an interview and was asked about the attack on the capitol. For all the jokes of his speaking ability and making up new words; it was rather clear and direct.

"I was sick to my stomach...to see our nation's Capitol being stormed by hostile forces."


https://www.cnn.com/2021/03/18/politics ... index.html

I wasn't a fan of Bush either, but at least he was loyal to the Union.

[Trollzyn the Infinite]

I was not a fan of President Bush. Only referred to him as a sock puppet and the shrub. He like other Presidents basically played J.D. Salinger and only appeared from time to time to promote something.

He actually gave an interview and was asked about the attack on the capitol. For all the jokes of his speaking ability and making up new words; it was rather clear and direct.

"I was sick to my stomach...to see our nation's Capitol being stormed by hostile forces."


https://www.cnn.com/2021/03/18/politics ... index.html

So does he regret sending hostile forces into Iraq's capitol?

I'm sure he does regret being manipulated by Dick Cheney and the CIA to invade a sovereign nation on a bogus casus belli. I know I would if I were him.

[Kowani]

Nevada Democrats propose automatic mail voting

Under a special state of emergency law, all voters were automatically mailed a ballot in the 2020 elections. The state saw record voter turnout, with Nevadans able to choose how they felt most comfortable voting in the face of an unprecedented public health crisis.

Now, Nevada Democrats are moving to make this change permanent. Assembly Bill 321 was introduced on Wednesday by Speaker Jason Frierson, and would establish universal automatic mail voting. Every eligible voter would be sent a mail ballot automatically, unless they chose to opt out of receiving one.

Billtext here

[Trollzyn the Infinite]

Nevada Democrats propose automatic mail voting

Under a special state of emergency law, all voters were automatically mailed a ballot in the 2020 elections. The state saw record voter turnout, with Nevadans able to choose how they felt most comfortable voting in the face of an unprecedented public health crisis.

Now, Nevada Democrats are moving to make this change permanent. Assembly Bill 321 was introduced on Wednesday by Speaker Jason Frierson, and would establish universal automatic mail voting. Every eligible voter would be sent a mail ballot automatically, unless they chose to opt out of receiving one.

Billtext here

Based and democracypilled

[Kannap]

I'm hopeful that Congress abolishes the time changes this year and we stick with Summer time year-round like our European friends.

The EU is springing forward one last time this Spring before never looking back. 15 U.S. States have passed legislation to switch to DST/Summer time permanently in the past three years, pending Congress changing federal law to give states authority to do - or doing it themselves (current federal law says states can't have DST year-round). Another 27 states are currently considering DST-related legislation, most of which seeks to make Summer time/DST permanent year-round (DST-related legislation has been proposed in 28 states this year, but it failed in Virginia).

What are the odds Congress finally decides we can stop wasting our lives with remembering to spring forward or fall back?

20 bucks says any attempt to do so at the federal level will be labeled a liberal attack on a vital facet of American culture. They’re tryna steal our clocks!

(Jokes aside, there seems to be meaningful bipartisan support for it this time around, so hopefully somebody will move on it.)

I hope so. I mean, if they're not going to raise the minimum wage or give us healthcare or anything, then at least toss us a bone and do something good that generally doesn't have any real consequence.

[Zurkerx]

Nevada Democrats propose automatic mail voting

Under a special state of emergency law, all voters were automatically mailed a ballot in the 2020 elections. The state saw record voter turnout, with Nevadans able to choose how they felt most comfortable voting in the face of an unprecedented public health crisis.

Now, Nevada Democrats are moving to make this change permanent. Assembly Bill 321 was introduced on Wednesday by Speaker Jason Frierson, and would establish universal automatic mail voting. Every eligible voter would be sent a mail ballot automatically, unless they chose to opt out of receiving one.

Billtext here

Ah good: it would especially help increase Latino turnout in the State- and they do have the majority in both chambers so it should pass.

[A-Series-Of-Tubes]

Nevada Democrats propose automatic mail voting

Under a special state of emergency law, all voters were automatically mailed a ballot in the 2020 elections. The state saw record voter turnout, with Nevadans able to choose how they felt most comfortable voting in the face of an unprecedented public health crisis.

Now, Nevada Democrats are moving to make this change permanent. Assembly Bill 321 was introduced on Wednesday by Speaker Jason Frierson, and would establish universal automatic mail voting. Every eligible voter would be sent a mail ballot automatically, unless they chose to opt out of receiving one.

Billtext here

Ah good: it would especially help increase Latino turnout in the State- and they do have the majority in both chambers so it should pass.

I anticipate two points of opposition: (a) It costs more to allow two methods per voter (mailing back then 'confirming' the vote at a polling station). And (b) if the state computer makes a booboo the voter may be counted twice.

(a) Is worth it. If the voter is willing to make the effort, it's their right to change their vote by election day.
(b) That's why you have a paper trail. Computers very rarely make mistakes, and when they do it's usually not just once. If one mistake is detected, recount a cross-section using paper ballots. If that turns up many mistakes, recount the entire election in paper and prosecute someone.

[Kowani]

Meanwhile, the Arizona Senate is going to do a hand recount of 2.1 million Maricopa ballots to ensure Biden's win was legitimate

now that
that is supreme cope

Republicans who control the Arizona Senate announced Thursday they now intend to do a complete recount of 2.1 million ballots in the state's most populous county to ensure that President Joe Biden's November win was legitimate.

Senate President Karen Fann had been pushing for a "full forensic audit" of Maricopa County's election result and won a court order on Feb. 26 granting the Senate access to the ballots and tabulation machines. But she had never acknowledged until this week that she wanted a full recount, something state law doesn't allow expect in narrow circumstances.

Previous documents obtained by The Associated Press showed Fann intended to recount "at least" 550,000 ballots.

The county Board of Supervisors had argued the ballots were secret and the machines need to remain secure and fought a subpoena issued by Senate Republicans. Since winning that court fight, Fann has been trying to locate an auditing firm that can do the deep dive she wants. Some Republican backers of former President Donald Trump allege there was fraud in the election in Arizona and other battleground states that led to his defeat. Fann said she wants to answer their questions one way or the other.

Fann announced Thursday that she had decided on a specific firm to oversee the audit but did not reveal its name, saying she was still negotiating final details. Fann's announcement said she now intends to do a full-hand recount of the ballots in addition to testing the tabulation machines and rescanning all the ballots. She said she hopes to do the work at county buildings to ensure ballot security.

But county spokesman Fields Moseley said the county hasn't had any recent discussions about allowing the Senate to use its facilities for its new audit. Early this month, Board Chair Jack Sellers sent a letter to Fann and other GOP senators asking where she wanted the ballots delivered. The Senate said it had no room for them and hoped to use county facilities.

[Picairn]

Meanwhile, the Arizona Senate is going to do a hand recount of 2.1 million Maricopa ballots to ensure Biden's win was legitimate

now that
that is supreme cope

Republicans who control the Arizona Senate announced Thursday they now intend to do a complete recount of 2.1 million ballots in the state's most populous county to ensure that President Joe Biden's November win was legitimate.

Senate President Karen Fann had been pushing for a "full forensic audit" of Maricopa County's election result and won a court order on Feb. 26 granting the Senate access to the ballots and tabulation machines. But she had never acknowledged until this week that she wanted a full recount, something state law doesn't allow expect in narrow circumstances.

Previous documents obtained by The Associated Press showed Fann intended to recount "at least" 550,000 ballots.

The county Board of Supervisors had argued the ballots were secret and the machines need to remain secure and fought a subpoena issued by Senate Republicans. Since winning that court fight, Fann has been trying to locate an auditing firm that can do the deep dive she wants. Some Republican backers of former President Donald Trump allege there was fraud in the election in Arizona and other battleground states that led to his defeat. Fann said she wants to answer their questions one way or the other.

Fann announced Thursday that she had decided on a specific firm to oversee the audit but did not reveal its name, saying she was still negotiating final details. Fann's announcement said she now intends to do a full-hand recount of the ballots in addition to testing the tabulation machines and rescanning all the ballots. She said she hopes to do the work at county buildings to ensure ballot security.

But county spokesman Fields Moseley said the county hasn't had any recent discussions about allowing the Senate to use its facilities for its new audit. Early this month, Board Chair Jack Sellers sent a letter to Fann and other GOP senators asking where she wanted the ballots delivered. The Senate said it had no room for them and hoped to use county facilities.

> Senate President is a Karen

Coincidence? I think NOT!

[Major-Tom]

So does he regret sending hostile forces into Iraq's capitol?

That is absolutely a horrible and totally misleading analogy. Bush did not initiate a coup to try to disrupt the workings of a constitutional democracy. Saddam was an autocratic and tyrannical dictator who commited genocidal massacres of Kurds in nothern Iraq. Iraq under Saddam did not have free elections or rule of law. Bush invaded Iraq to defeat a dictatorship, not to establish one.

The road to hell is paved with good intentions.

And, in the case of the Bush Administration, it is abundantly clear that they didn't even have good intentions. Either Bush was out of the loop and his craven national security brain trust did all the heavy lifting, or he was in the loop on how it was a cynical exercise in nation-building. I can see a Senator who voted Yes on the 2003 vote to invade being given the benefit of the doubt because they were presented the facts in such a warped way, but not Bush.

[Purgatio]

I was not a fan of President Bush. Only referred to him as a sock puppet and the shrub. He like other Presidents basically played J.D. Salinger and only appeared from time to time to promote something.

He actually gave an interview and was asked about the attack on the capitol. For all the jokes of his speaking ability and making up new words; it was rather clear and direct.

"I was sick to my stomach...to see our nation's Capitol being stormed by hostile forces."


https://www.cnn.com/2021/03/18/politics ... index.html

So does he regret sending hostile forces into Iraq's capitol?

Whatever the failings and wrongdoings and violations of international law entailed by the invasion of Iraq, it still doesn't compare to the utter danger that Trump caused to American democracy by systematically stirring up false claims of election fraud and inciting violence amongst his followers, to march on the Capitol and "fight like hell" as they threatened to kill and hang politicians they disagreed with to overturn an election result. Whatever you think about the Iraq War (I happen to think it was an unjustifiable violation of international law, just so you know), its conceptually strange to equate the two. Both are wrong, but they are wrong for completely different reasons. What makes the Capitol coup of 2021 so uniquely dangerous and frightening was that it was the direct and proximate result of a sitting President actively stoking, inducing, and inciting his fanatic followers into disregarding a democratic election result. A President trying to cling to power despite having lost an election. Say what you want about President Bush, but when he was running for re-election, he was going around different media outlets telling the media that if he lost to Kerry its only because the election was rigged and fraudulent, like Trump was repeatedly saying over and over, laying the groundwork for violence in the event that he lost.

[Giovenith]

Or we're just likening Cuomo's sexual misconduct to Berlusconi's because he's the archetype for pervert in office.

That's not even self-justification. It's justification of something another poster said and you are vainly claiming as yours.

You never actually claim anything, do you? That would be too much like Smart Girl and would scare away Boys. Well sorry, but I have no time for Smart Girls who play dumb because they think Boys like that.

Last chance. Comment on the "joke"

Don't flatter yourself.

Due to both your history and the fact that you have offended elsewhere today (Nobody is interested in your critique or commentary on Mod rulings. Mind your own business.), you can have a *** 1-day-ban for flamebaiting and gloating ***.

[Kowani]

Congratulations to Cigna and Intel, for breaking their promises to end contributions to members of Congress that voted against certifying the electoral college results

lasted all the way from january to march

[Esalia]

Congratulations to Cigna and Intel, for breaking their promises to end contributions to members of Congress that voted against certifying the electoral college results

lasted all the way from january to march

The most surprising thing for me is it lasted this long tbh

Fully expected most of these "oh we swear to not give contributions to the politicians that voted against democracy!" companies to start giving them donations by February.

[Cannot think of a name]

Congratulations to Cigna and Intel, for breaking their promises to end contributions to members of Congress that voted against certifying the electoral college results

lasted all the way from january to march

The most surprising thing for me is it lasted this long tbh

Fully expected most of these "oh we swear to not give contributions to the politicians that voted against democracy!" companies to start giving them donations by February.

As soon as they thought no one was paying attention any more for sure.

[Umeria]

So does he regret sending hostile forces into Iraq's capitol?

Whatever the failings and wrongdoings and violations of international law entailed by the invasion of Iraq, it still doesn't compare to the utter danger that Trump caused to American democracy by systematically stirring up false claims of election fraud and inciting violence amongst his followers, to march on the Capitol and "fight like hell" as they threatened to kill and hang politicians they disagreed with to overturn an election result.

The Iraq war killed a minimum of 100,000 people. How high does the death toll need to climb before it does compare? Do a million people have to die before it becomes worse? 2 million? Remember that democracies can be repaired. The dead can't be brought back to life.

[Purgatio]

Whatever the failings and wrongdoings and violations of international law entailed by the invasion of Iraq, it still doesn't compare to the utter danger that Trump caused to American democracy by systematically stirring up false claims of election fraud and inciting violence amongst his followers, to march on the Capitol and "fight like hell" as they threatened to kill and hang politicians they disagreed with to overturn an election result.

The Iraq war killed a minimum of 100,000 people. How high does the death toll need to climb before it does compare? Do a million people have to die before it becomes worse? 2 million? Remember that democracies can be repaired. The dead can't be brought back to life.

They're wrong for different reasons, is the point. One was a violation of international law on the use of force and the waging of aggressive wars. The other was a threat to American democracy and a threatened coup d'etat to allow an American President to stay in office despite having lost an election and effectively cling to power as a dictator. Neither are justifiable at all, but they violate different norms and I just don't get why we're equating the two.

[Saiwania]

Congratulations to Cigna and Intel, for breaking their promises to end contributions to members of Congress that voted against certifying the electoral college results

lasted all the way from january to march

If you're a giant corporation, it makes more sense to donate money to both prevailing political parties to some extent if in the US.

Lobbying for favorable policies/contracts with the US federal government is more important for the business bottom line than sticking to some promise that only some people really pay attention to or care about. Intel and Cigna are big businesses and good ones at that in terms of what they do, so people got to look at it from their perspective.

Maybe it isn't so clear cut because at least some politicians who don't accept Joe Biden might nonetheless be seen as more favorable towards the industries in question in their respective states/localities, if not federally.

[Umeria]

The Iraq war killed a minimum of 100,000 people. How high does the death toll need to climb before it does compare? Do a million people have to die before it becomes worse? 2 million? Remember that democracies can be repaired. The dead can't be brought back to life.

They're wrong for different reasons, is the point. One was a violation of international law on the use of force and the waging of aggressive wars. The other was a threat to American democracy and a threatened coup d'etat to allow an American President to stay in office despite having lost an election and effectively cling to power as a dictator. Neither are justifiable at all, but they violate different norms and I just don't get why we're equating the two.

It's not just a violation of international law, it's illegal under US law. Congress is supposed to have the sole power to declare war. By undermining its authority (admittedly something several presidents did before him), Bush eroded the democratically elected Congress, which in my opinion is a huge threat to American democracy.

[Umeria]

Congratulations to Cigna and Intel, for breaking their promises to end contributions to members of Congress that voted against certifying the electoral college results

lasted all the way from january to march

If you're a giant corporation, it makes more sense to donate money to both prevailing political parties to some extent if in the US.

Lobbying for favorable policies/contracts with the US federal government is more important for the business bottom line than sticking to some promise that only some people really pay attention to or care about. Intel and Cigna are big businesses and good ones at that in terms of what they do, so people got to look at it from their perspective.

Excellent reason to get money out of politics.

[Purgatio]

They're wrong for different reasons, is the point. One was a violation of international law on the use of force and the waging of aggressive wars. The other was a threat to American democracy and a threatened coup d'etat to allow an American President to stay in office despite having lost an election and effectively cling to power as a dictator. Neither are justifiable at all, but they violate different norms and I just don't get why we're equating the two.

It's not just a violation of international law, it's illegal under US law. Congress is supposed to have the sole power to declare war. By undermining its authority (admittedly something several presidents did before him), Bush eroded the democratically elected Congress, which in my opinion is a huge threat to American democracy.

Okay, sure, I agree with that. Its unconstitutional for the Presidency to arrogate to itself the power to declare law that the constitution confers on the legislature. That's still not the same as President Bush trying to set himself up as dictator, clinging to power irrespective of whether the American electorate votes him out. Isn't that a much bigger and more direct threat to American democracy? Like, literally just disregarding democracy itself by launching an attempted coup d'état?

[Kowani]

a functioning political party

[Nakena]

a functioning political party
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QAnonism at its finest.

[Cannot think of a name]

a functioning political party
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I get that they think it's all "we're badass, we're the storm" but like..."We're gonna wreck the place and cause millions if not billions of dollars of damage, displace massive amounts of people, destroy essential infrastructure, and overwhelm systems and services. When I'm done, I'll disperse without a trace leaving little of value behind."

[Umeria]

It's not just a violation of international law, it's illegal under US law. Congress is supposed to have the sole power to declare war. By undermining its authority (admittedly something several presidents did before him), Bush eroded the democratically elected Congress, which in my opinion is a huge threat to American democracy.

Okay, sure, I agree with that. Its unconstitutional for the Presidency to arrogate to itself the power to declare law that the constitution confers on the legislature. That's still not the same as President Bush trying to set himself up as dictator, clinging to power irrespective of whether the American electorate votes him out. Isn't that a much bigger and more direct threat to American democracy? Like, literally just disregarding democracy itself by launching an attempted coup d'état?

I guess the coup attempt was worse in that respect, but that doesn't explain Bush being sick to his stomach at one and not the other, especially since his threat to American democracy had a host of other adverse effects.