American Politics IV: 1400 Reasons Why(A Stimulus Serial)

[Great Pacific Switzerland]

I would submit that you are not a socialist at all.

What gave it away? His support for Bonaparte or his support for Trump? At least Bonaparte had good qualities.

>Completely ignores Tito and Lasch

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

DDR shot its own citizens for daring to leave lmao.

They literally built a wall to keep people in, and the Stasi regularly arrested thousands of political opponents.

"But muh healthcare!"

The Berlin wall wasn't even the worst of their crimes, amongst which numbers putting literal shrapnel mines on your own border.

[Trollzyn the Infinite]

Stanning for Marxism isn't much of an improvement.

A lot of people would disagree with you. Like marxism is totally cool and what not. It has become not just 100% acceptable, even for liberals who only view them as somewhat misguided dudes and what not. It has in fact become a "norm" in various circles and here too to quote marxist snippets and pretend it has some degree of normative authority to quote Lenin or so.

I'm man enough to admit that Marx knew what the problems were, but I'm also smart enough to his proposed solutions were stupid and unrealistic.

So I don't much care what Marxists or pseudo-Marxists think in the end.

[Picairn]

You're right I aint a socialist. I'm a Marxist-Leninist

Imagine stanning for a flavor of socialism that caused massive deaths in the 20th century.

[National Capitalist United States]

I would submit that you are not a socialist at all.

You're right I aint a socialist. I'm a Marxist-Leninist

AKA the worst kind of socialist

[Great Pacific Switzerland]

Do I care?

Okay then, I consider our debate over.

Fine by me. Plus its 2AM, I need sleep

[Ifreann]

I would submit that you are not a socialist at all.

You're right I aint a socialist. I'm a Marxist-Leninist

You can call yourself whatever you want, of course, but it seems pretty obvious to me that you just want a dictatorship.

[Great Pacific Switzerland]

You're right I aint a socialist. I'm a Marxist-Leninist

Imagine stanning for a flavor of socialism that caused massive deaths in the 20th century.

Imagine stanning for a flavor of liberalism that caused massive deaths and war mongering in the 20th and 21st century

You're right I aint a socialist. I'm a Marxist-Leninist

AKA the worst kind of socialist

>Looks at flag
Alright then

[Great Pacific Switzerland]

You're right I aint a socialist. I'm a Marxist-Leninist

You can call yourself whatever you want, of course, but it seems pretty obvious to me that you just want a dictatorship.

A strong leader is needed for Marxism to work my friend. Modern "democratic" politicians can not be relied upon. You can still have socialism under a dictatorship or even communism

[Trollzyn the Infinite]

I would submit that you are not a socialist at all.

You're right I aint a socialist. I'm a Marxist-Leninist

lol

What gave it away? His support for Bonaparte or his support for Trump? At least Bonaparte had good qualities.

>Completely ignores Tito and Lasch

I'm not ignoring them at all. I'm pointing out your inconsistent claim that you're somehow a "Marxist-Leninist" as you simp for two men who were completely antithetical to Marxism-Leninism. Or do you unironically believe that either Marx or Lenin would have a single kind thing to say about a warmongering absolute monarch and a silver-spoon millionaire conman?

[Nakena]

You're right I aint a socialist. I'm a Marxist-Leninist

Imagine stanning for a flavor of socialism that caused massive deaths in the 20th century.

The USSR was argueably sucessfull to varying degrees.

Altough the marxist ideologies was more a hinderance rather than the cause of their sucess.

[Picairn]

Imagine stanning for a flavor of liberalism that caused massive deaths and war mongering in the 20th and 21st century

Protip: No neoliberal leader achieved high scores of mass killings like Mao, Stalin, and Pol Pot did.

Also I'm not even a neoliberal lmao.

[Great Pacific Switzerland]

You're right I aint a socialist. I'm a Marxist-Leninist

lol

>Completely ignores Tito and Lasch

I'm not ignoring them at all. I'm pointing out your inconsistent claim that you're somehow a "Marxist-Leninist" as you simp for two men who were completely antithetical to Marxism-Leninism. Or do you unironically believe that either Marx or Lenin would have a single kind thing to say about a warmongering absolute monarch and a silver-spoon millionaire conman?

No, they just fit my militarist and conservative side for the USA. Read the full sig matey

[Silvedania]

DDR shot its own citizens for daring to leave lmao.

They literally built a wall to keep people in, and the Stasi regularly arrested thousands of political opponents.

"But muh healthcare!"

And that's why we should all be like Norway. They aren't quite socialist or capitalist, their somewhere in between! Plus they give free healthcare without trapping people in and stuff.

[Trollzyn the Infinite]

You can call yourself whatever you want, of course, but it seems pretty obvious to me that you just want a dictatorship.

A strong leader is needed for Marxism to work my friend. Modern "democratic" politicians can not be relied upon. You can still have socialism under a dictatorship or even communism

"Strong leader" is just authoritarian for "brutal tyrant".

[National Capitalist United States]

You're right I aint a socialist. I'm a Marxist-Leninist

AKA the worst kind of socialist

>Looks at flag
Alright then

Come back when you're a market socialist (AKA the only based form of socialism)

[Silvedania]

A strong leader is needed for Marxism to work my friend. Modern "democratic" politicians can not be relied upon. You can still have socialism under a dictatorship or even communism

"Strong leader" is just authoritarian for "brutal tyrant".

True.

[Great Pacific Switzerland]

Imagine stanning for a flavor of liberalism that caused massive deaths and war mongering in the 20th and 21st century

Protip: No neoliberal leader achieved high scores of mass killings like Mao, Stalin, and Pol Pot did.

Also I'm not even a neoliberal lmao.

>Pulling out the genocide card
I dont fuckin support genocide or the murder of anyone. Get that through your iron skull and lead infused neurons

[Comerciante]

Read the full sig matey

According to your sig you support 2 out of the 3 things that would lead to not one but two world wars.

[Trollzyn the Infinite]

lol



I'm not ignoring them at all. I'm pointing out your inconsistent claim that you're somehow a "Marxist-Leninist" as you simp for two men who were completely antithetical to Marxism-Leninism. Or do you unironically believe that either Marx or Lenin would have a single kind thing to say about a warmongering absolute monarch and a silver-spoon millionaire conman?

No, they just fit my militarist and conservative side for the USA. Read the full sig matey

You can't be a "conservative socialist" because that's a complete oxymoron.

Conservatism is about maintaining the status quo. It's opposed to change by default. Socialism is the exact opposite; it's progressive and revolutionary, it seeks to implement radical change to society. You can't have it both ways.

[Picairn]

And that's why we should all be like Norway. They aren't quite socialist or capitalist, their somewhere in between! Plus they give free healthcare without trapping people in and stuff.

Finally, someone sane in the thread. I can support that.

[Great Pacific Switzerland]

A strong leader is needed for Marxism to work my friend. Modern "democratic" politicians can not be relied upon. You can still have socialism under a dictatorship or even communism

"Strong leader" is just authoritarian for "brutal tyrant".

"Democracy" is just capitalistic speak for "free money printing scheme"

[Trollzyn the Infinite]

And that's why we should all be like Norway. They aren't quite socialist or capitalist, their somewhere in between! Plus they give free healthcare without trapping people in and stuff.

Finally, someone sane in the thread. I can support that.

Ditto. Norway is a good example to follow.

[National Capitalist United States]

Protip: No neoliberal leader achieved high scores of mass killings like Mao, Stalin, and Pol Pot did.

Also I'm not even a neoliberal lmao.

>Pulling out the genocide card
I dont fuckin support genocide or the murder of anyone. Get that through your iron skull and lead infused neurons

Then why do you support dictatorships?

[Nakena]

A lot of people would disagree with you. Like marxism is totally cool and what not. It has become not just 100% acceptable, even for liberals who only view them as somewhat misguided dudes and what not. It has in fact become a "norm" in various circles and here too to quote marxist snippets and pretend it has some degree of normative authority to quote Lenin or so.

I'm man enough to admit that Marx knew what the problems were, but I'm also smart enough to his proposed solutions were stupid and unrealistic.

So I don't much care what Marxists or pseudo-Marxists think in the end.

Sure. But arguments and takes derivated from marxist thought is getting increasingly popular in mainstream media op eds and what not. It's one of those big trends those days. You will get more of it likely. So its important to understand, even if you disagree.

You can call yourself whatever you want, of course, but it seems pretty obvious to me that you just want a dictatorship.

A strong leader is needed for Marxism to work my friend. Modern "democratic" politicians can not be relied upon. You can still have socialism under a dictatorship or even communism

You should check out Juche. You will like it.

It is superior to marxism-leninism and more in accordance with your ideas.

Unlike Marxism–Leninism, which considers improvements in the material conditions of production and exchange as the driving force of historical progress (known as historical materialism), Juche considers human beings in general the driving force in history.[44] It is summarized as "the popular masses are placed in the center of everything, and the leader is the center of the masses".[44] Juche, North Korea maintains, is a "man-centered ideology" in which "man is the master of everything and decides everything".[44] In contrast to Marxist–Leninist thought in which people's decisions are inextricably linked to their relations to the means of production (a concept referred to as "relations of production"), in Juche thought man is independent and decides everything.[44] Just like Marxist–Leninist thought, Juche believes history is law-governed, but that it is only man who drives progress, stating that "the popular masses are the drivers of history".[45] However, for the masses to be successful, they need a "Great Leader".[45] Marxism–Leninism argues that the popular masses will lead (on the basis of their relation to production), but in North Korea the role of a Great Leader should be essential for leadership.[46]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juche