American Politics IV: 1400 Reasons Why(A Stimulus Serial)

[San Lumen]

Then bust. See the post above.

Single Transferrable Vote is more descriptive than Ranked Choice Voting. Each person has one vote, and almost all of those votes are "transferred" to either the winner, or the one who comes second.

"Ranked Choice" refers only to how the voter fills out their ballot, and there are better (STV) and worse (weighted) ways to tabulate those ballots.

That sounds perfect.

Forgive me but im not understanding the difference.

[Picairn]

Maybe if we didn't have a bankrupt two party duopoly and independents and smaller parties had a hope in hell of winning instead of being muscled out by the fear and propaganda arms of the two to prevent "wasted votes" out of their own fear of being replaced. PR is better, the only compromise I'd be willing is MMP system like Germany, maybe with IRV.

MMP is a form of PR lmao.

[Umeria]

The paradox of implementing a new voting system is you have to do it via the current voting system.

[Necroghastia]

I know exactly how it works. What is wrong with RCV? No one can be elected without a majority of the vote. I therefore do not understand what your issue is with it.

Maybe if we didn't have a bankrupt two party duopoly and independents and smaller parties had a hope in hell of winning instead of being muscled out by the fear and propaganda arms of the two to prevent "wasted votes" out of their own fear of being replaced. PR is better, the only compromise I'd be willing is MMP system like Germany, maybe with IRV.

you do realize that ranked choice is a way to get past that duopoly right

[San Lumen]

I know exactly how it works. What is wrong with RCV? No one can be elected without a majority of the vote. I therefore do not understand what your issue is with it.

Maybe if we didn't have a bankrupt two party duopoly and independents and smaller parties had a hope in hell of winning instead of being muscled out by the fear and propaganda arms of the two to prevent "wasted votes" out of their own fear of being replaced. PR is better, the only compromise I'd be willing is MMP system like Germany, maybe with IRV.

That's how smaller parties have won in cities that have it.

Here is an example of ranked choice voting in action: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_Minn ... l_election

What is your issue with this system?

[Sundiata]

That sounds perfect.

Forgive me but im not understanding the difference.

Now that I think about it, there is no difference. In a ranked choice system the votes already get transferred to the winner. There's no second place prize.

[A-Series-Of-Tubes]

Why should a party receive a majority with less than 50% of the vote?

I dont think you understand how ranked choice voting works.

The Australian system (which we call "preference voting" but is STV) keeps transferring votes from whoever has the least when the counting round before is finished, until one name on the list has over 50%. Then it stops: perhaps it should continue, for the benefit of voters whose favorite came 4th and want their second preference counted. But everyone's first preference is counted, that will have to be enough for them. And theoretically it's impossible for votes to be transferred until there are only two left, without one of those having a majority.

[Dresderstan]

Maybe if we didn't have a bankrupt two party duopoly and independents and smaller parties had a hope in hell of winning instead of being muscled out by the fear and propaganda arms of the two to prevent "wasted votes" out of their own fear of being replaced. PR is better, the only compromise I'd be willing is MMP system like Germany, maybe with IRV.

MMP is a form of PR lmao.

MMP = Mixed Member Proportion, i.e both FPTP and PR, add in IRV then fine.

[Picairn]

MMP = Mixed Member Proportion, i.e both FPTP and PR, add in IRV then fine.

IRV is just RCV for single-winner elections.

[Kowani]

The US tells Mexico that the Drug War failed, needs a new strategy

[A-Series-Of-Tubes]

The paradox of implementing a new voting system is you have to do it via the current voting system.

Those states with the option of referenda straight to their constitution, shouldn't be too worried about that. So they can't get a system that only the minority approves, into the constitution? No problem.

[Sundiata]

The US tells Mexico that the Drug War failed, needs a new strategy

We need to move our manufacturing to Mexico instead of China.

[Dresderstan]

Maybe if we didn't have a bankrupt two party duopoly and independents and smaller parties had a hope in hell of winning instead of being muscled out by the fear and propaganda arms of the two to prevent "wasted votes" out of their own fear of being replaced. PR is better, the only compromise I'd be willing is MMP system like Germany, maybe with IRV.

That's how smaller parties have won in cities that have it.

Here is an example of ranked choice voting in action: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_Minn ... l_election

What is your issue with this system?

"Smaller parties have won in cities that have it"

*shows wikipedia article showing top 5 all from one big party*

Show me another one, where an actual third party won.

[Greater Miami Shores]

There are apparently 6 Dr. Seuss books that aren't going to be published anymore because Dr. Seuss' estate thinks it has racist imagery. I do genuinely wonder if over long run, whether old copies of the discontinued books will become a valuable or limited commodity/asset? People who already have some copies, they've already priced it up to be hundreds or thousands each. It follows that if suppy/demand goes as expected, that the books will become rarer overtime and command a higher price as collectables or for those who want to buy it.

Is it too late to buy those books in bulk and try to resell for massive profits?

"neonazis collecting limited edition dr seuss books with racist content" sounds like trump-era postmodern madlibs in the worst and also the funniest possible way

I think Dr. Seuss books are not racists, it all depends of different persons thinking. GMS.

[Dresderstan]

The US tells Mexico that the Drug War failed, needs a new strategy

We need to move our manufacturing to Mexico instead of China.

We already have cars from Ford being made in Mexico, so how about we don't move everything south of the border m'kay?

[San Lumen]

That's how smaller parties have won in cities that have it.

Here is an example of ranked choice voting in action: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_Minn ... l_election

What is your issue with this system?

"Smaller parties have won in cities that have it"

*shows wikipedia article showing top 5 all from one big party*

Show me another one, where an actual third party won.

I just gave you an example for you to explain why you dont like it and you dismiss it because it because you don't like the result.

[Sundiata]

We need to move our manufacturing to Mexico instead of China.

We already have cars from Ford being made in Mexico, so how about we don't move everything south of the border m'kay?

So? That's a good thing. We want Mexico to be prosperous instead of the Chinese Communist Party.

[Dresderstan]

"Smaller parties have won in cities that have it"

*shows wikipedia article showing top 5 all from one big party*

Show me another one, where an actual third party won.

I just gave you an example for you to explain why you dont like it and you dismiss it because it because you don't like the result.

Because the Minnesota Democratic Party is not a "smaller party"

[Dresderstan]

We already have cars from Ford being made in Mexico, so how about we don't move everything south of the border m'kay?

So? That's a good thing. We want Mexico to be prosperous instead of the Chinese communist party.

Or have those jobs in America.

[San Lumen]

I just gave you an example for you to explain why you dont like it and you dismiss it because it because you don't like the result.

Because the Minnesota Democratic Party is not a "smaller party"

or perhaps people decided they didn't;t like the third parties. what is your issue with RCV?

[Sundiata]

So? That's a good thing. We want Mexico to be prosperous instead of the Chinese communist party.

Or have those jobs in America.

We already have better jobs in America.

[Dresderstan]

Because the Minnesota Democratic Party is not a "smaller party"

or perhaps people decided they didn't;t like the third parties. what is your issue with RCV?

Or the parties keep pushing fear and propaganda against third parties to the people creating this ever growing partisan divide in this country. You still haven't proven to me smaller parties have won.

[Dresderstan]

Or have those jobs in America.

We already have better jobs in America.

Oh yeah because silicon valley is sooo great.

[Greater Miami Shores]

"Smaller parties have won in cities that have it"

*shows wikipedia article showing top 5 all from one big party*

Show me another one, where an actual third party won.[/quote

I just gave you an example for you to explain why you dont like it and you dismiss it because it because you don't like the result.

I prefer regular elections, dismissing, because not liking the comments, results, the evidence or link, sounds familiar, many persons do, many persons, lol.

[Sundiata]

We already have better jobs in America.

Oh yeah because silicon valley is sooo great.

It is. It's also time to move our trade from China to Mexico and lower shipping costs in our hemisphere.