American Politics IV: 1400 Reasons Why(A Stimulus Serial)

[Washington Resistance Army]

Yeahhhhh, can't say that's a good move on the Dems part.

Yup and the transportation rewards is not a good thing. Schumers’ I didn’t know about it comment is a tad concerning.

Really dude. How many things to you sign/vote for without reading?

I believe there's some statistics floating around that most of the stuff that gets voted on actually doesn't get read anymore.

[Celritannia]

Did I say that?
No I did not.
But there is a difference here.

The difference is that FDR committed war crimes against his own people.

And I have not disagreed, so you can stop this.

[Greater Cesnica]

Sure, the government did. The civilians though?

Of course not, the same can be said for any civilian population in any war.
But again, how was the US to make an ultimatum to stop the Japanese's action in China and the European colonies in the East?

I'm more referring to American actions near and at the end of the war against civilian populations.

[Kowani]

Yeahhhhh, can't say that's a good move on the Dems part.

Yup and the transportation rewards is not a good thing. Schumers’ I didn’t know about it comment is a tad concerning.

Really dude. How many things to you sign/vote for without reading?

my favorite quote from the Senate is still from this year : ""Point of inquiry as to what we just voted on."

[Celritannia]

Of course not, the same can be said for any civilian population in any war.
But again, how was the US to make an ultimatum to stop the Japanese's action in China and the European colonies in the East?

I'm more referring to American actions near and at the end of the war against civilian populations.

We were discussing the beginning of the war, not the end.

[Proctopeo]

The overstep of Federal Authority has happened with every President since Washington. FDR was not the first.
In fact, Lincoln, or even Jackson, really expanded Federal Authority, long before FDR.

FDR wasn't the first but he was the worst. His bastardization of the commerce clause let the federal government interfere with and control literally everything in the country. He also started the trend of the FBI harassing and or killing political radicals to make sure they remain irrelevant, just days after the Pearl Harbor attack he sent a letter to Hoover telling him to start shutting down FDR's critics.

FDR also tried to pack the Supreme Court with cronies, because the existing court kept rejecting his policies as unconstitutional.

[Washington Resistance Army]

FDR wasn't the first but he was the worst. His bastardization of the commerce clause let the federal government interfere with and control literally everything in the country. He also started the trend of the FBI harassing and or killing political radicals to make sure they remain irrelevant, just days after the Pearl Harbor attack he sent a letter to Hoover telling him to start shutting down FDR's critics.

FDR also tried to pack the Supreme Court with cronies, because the existing court kept rejecting his policies as unconstitutional.

And after that the Court reversed its tune and started supporting him in almost everything. Funny how that works.

[Senkaku]

FDR?

Yes. Almost every single overstep of federal authority in the past nearly 100 years can be traced to precedent in FDR's times. People who dislike the imperial presidency should dislike FDR.

People who dislike the imperial presidency should dislike the political system that made it necessary by FDR's time to implement any sort of desperately-needed large-scale national change, rather than disliking the man who tried his best with the system he had available to him.

[Punished UMN]

The difference is that FDR committed war crimes against his own people.

And I have not disagreed, so you can stop this.

How do you commit war crimes against your own people and still be one of the best Presidents. Explain it to me because what FDR did was on the same level as Xi Jinping in terms of the human rights violation. No other American president has committed war crimes against the American people. No foreign adversary has committed war crimes against the American people to the same degree as FDR. At least with Trump and Jackson, you can make the argument that the people he's interning aren't his constituents and aren't his own people. FDR was committing war crimes against his own people. If you think that is excused by the New Deal, then you are just straight up wrong. FDR would have been hanged for it if he were Japanese.

[Nakena]

How do you commit war crimes against your own people and still be one of the best Presidents.

Ask Uncle Joe.

[Greater Cesnica]

Yes. Almost every single overstep of federal authority in the past nearly 100 years can be traced to precedent in FDR's times. People who dislike the imperial presidency should dislike FDR.

People who dislike the imperial presidency should dislike the political system that made it necessary by FDR's time to implement any sort of desperately-needed large-scale national change, rather than disliking the man who tried his best with the system he had available to him.

Fair. The system itself is crooked.

[Senkaku]

And I have not disagreed, so you can stop this.

How do you commit war crimes against your own people and still be one of the best Presidents. Explain it to me because what FDR did was on the same level as Xi Jinping in terms of the human rights violation. No other American president has committed war crimes against the American people. No foreign adversary has committed war crimes against the American people to the same degree as FDR. At least with Trump and Jackson, you can make the argument that the people he's interning aren't his constituents and aren't his own people. FDR was committing war crimes against his own people. If you think that is excused by the New Deal, then you are just straight up wrong. FDR would have been hanged for it if he were Japanese.

And what else did FDR do, besides the New Deal and Japanese internment...?

I don't think it's wrong to praise the guy for defeating Nazism and Japanese imperialism, even if there were some war crimes along the way. I've yet to see any major power that doesn't commit war crimes; at least most of FDR-era America's violent sociopathic streak was directed outwards at deserving targets. Yes, it's part of his legacy and it tarnishes it significantly, but being the guy who beat Hitler sort of automatically qualifies you to at least be up there among the presidents, regardless of the other shit you did.

[Shrillland]

Let us return to current events for a moment: https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/scathing-report-finds-rep-ronny-jackson-engaged-inappropriate-conduct-white-n1259437

During his time as White House physician, now Congressman Ronny Jackson is alleged to have drank, taken Ambien, and made suggestive and harassing comments towards women.

[Saiwania]

TYT is complaining about Biden deporting Haitians. If it is true, it is possibly the single best thing he's done in his presidency. It is just too bad that so much of the other stuff he wants to do is no good. But there is at least some potential or small seed of "turning the corner" to be more like Trump in being America first. Biden just has to be sufficiently molded or influenced towards such ambitions.

[Borderlands of Rojava]

TYT is complaining about Biden deporting Haitians. If it is true, it is possibly the single best thing he's done in his presidency. It is just too bad that so much of the other stuff he wants to do is no good. But there is at least some potential or small seed of "turning the corner" to be more like Trump in being America first. He just has to be sufficiently molded or influenced towards such ambitions.

Sai supporting sending black people to their deaths. Real cash money of you Sai.

[Punished UMN]

How do you commit war crimes against your own people and still be one of the best Presidents. Explain it to me because what FDR did was on the same level as Xi Jinping in terms of the human rights violation. No other American president has committed war crimes against the American people. No foreign adversary has committed war crimes against the American people to the same degree as FDR. At least with Trump and Jackson, you can make the argument that the people he's interning aren't his constituents and aren't his own people. FDR was committing war crimes against his own people. If you think that is excused by the New Deal, then you are just straight up wrong. FDR would have been hanged for it if he were Japanese.

And what else did FDR do, besides the New Deal and Japanese internment...?

I don't think it's wrong to praise the guy for defeating Nazism and Japanese imperialism, even if there were some war crimes along the way. I've yet to see any major power that doesn't commit war crimes; at least most of FDR-era America's violent sociopathic streak was directed outwards at deserving targets. Yes, it's part of his legacy and it tarnishes it significantly, but being the guy who beat Hitler sort of automatically qualifies you to at least be up there among the presidents, regardless of the other shit you did.

This is essentially the argument that Stalinists use to argue that Stalin is one of the best leaders in Russian history.

[Tyunmen]

And I have not disagreed, so you can stop this.

How do you commit war crimes against your own people and still be one of the best Presidents. Explain it to me because what FDR did was on the same level as Xi Jinping in terms of the human rights violation. No other American president has committed war crimes against the American people. No foreign adversary has committed war crimes against the American people to the same degree as FDR. At least with Trump and Jackson, you can make the argument that the people he's interning aren't his constituents and aren't his own people. FDR was committing war crimes against his own people. If you think that is excused by the New Deal, then you are just straight up wrong. FDR would have been hanged for it if he were Japanese.

First off, while what FDR did was wrong, I quote 'IT IS NOT A GENOCIDE' was it a massive-violation of human rights that FDR should have been punished for? Yes. Was it a genocide? No.

[Borderlands of Rojava]

Let us return to current events for a moment: https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/scathing-report-finds-rep-ronny-jackson-engaged-inappropriate-conduct-white-n1259437

During his time as White House physician, now Congressman Ronny Jackson is alleged to have drank, taken Ambien, and made suggestive and harassing comments towards women.

I heard rumors he dished out alot of drugs to Trump. I now 100% am convinced he did if this was what he was doing in the Whitehouse.

[Greater Cesnica]

at least most of FDR-era America's violent sociopathic streak was directed outwards at deserving targets.

Define "deserving targets". Because the FDR-era U.S military considered both combatants and civilians as "deserving targets".

[Kowani]

D.C. National Guard chief says the Pentagon took 3 hours to green-light troops during the Capitol storming

[Saiwania]

Sai supporting sending black people to their deaths. Real cash money of you Sai.

They're not going to die if Haitians who can't stay in the US have to go back to their island. Asides which, the Dominican Republic has done so much better with their half of Hispaniola. If the DR can become rich, Haiti can too with the right strategy. Just that, Haiti is wrecked in terms of natural resources and human capitol; so it'd take something unorthodox to really build it up. I don't quite have the answer. But its not in what Haiti is doing now.

[Punished UMN]

How do you commit war crimes against your own people and still be one of the best Presidents. Explain it to me because what FDR did was on the same level as Xi Jinping in terms of the human rights violation. No other American president has committed war crimes against the American people. No foreign adversary has committed war crimes against the American people to the same degree as FDR. At least with Trump and Jackson, you can make the argument that the people he's interning aren't his constituents and aren't his own people. FDR was committing war crimes against his own people. If you think that is excused by the New Deal, then you are just straight up wrong. FDR would have been hanged for it if he were Japanese.

First off, while what FDR did was wrong, I quote 'IT IS NOT A GENOCIDE' was it a massive-violation of human rights that FDR should have been punished for? Yes. Was it a genocide? No.

It could certainly be considered an act of genocide under the later UN Genocide Convention.

[Kowani]

Sai supporting sending black people to their deaths. Real cash money of you Sai.

They're not going to die if Haitians have to go back to their island. Asides which, the Dominican Republic has done so much better with their half of Hispaniola. If the DR can become rich, Haiti can too with the right strategy. Just that, Haiti is wrecked in terms of natural resources and human capitol; so it'd take something unorthodox to really build it up. I don't quite have the answer. But its not in what Haiti is doing now.

the US not having occupied the island for 19 years or backing the current strongman president-dictator would probably help with that

[Greater Cesnica]

First off, while what FDR did was wrong, I quote 'IT IS NOT A GENOCIDE' was it a massive-violation of human rights that FDR should have been punished for? Yes. Was it a genocide? No.

It could certainly be considered an act of genocide under the later UN Genocide Convention.

Especially since we know at least close to 2,000 Japanese Americans died in the camps.

[Nakena]

Sai supporting sending black people to their deaths. Real cash money of you Sai.

They're not going to die if Haitians who can't stay in the US have to go back to their island. Asides which, the Dominican Republic has done so much better with their half of Hispaniola. If the DR can become rich, Haiti can too with the right strategy. Just that, Haiti is wrecked in terms of natural resources and human capitol; so it'd take something unorthodox to really build it up. I don't quite have the answer. But its not in what Haiti is doing now.

I am surprised that you, of all people, come to such conclusions.