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Postby Andsed » Tue Mar 02, 2021 8:18 am

San Lumen wrote:
Ifreann wrote:I'd be concerned that varying minimum wage by family status would lead to discrimination in hiring based on family status.



He's hiring a lawyer with relevant experience. Seems only sensible to me. Besides, people already hate him. Being hated and staying out of prison beats being hated and getting convicted.

Yes but he’s hiring a lawyer who defended a convicted rapist.

Well yeah Lumen of course he is hiring someone with relevant experience. Why would he not be hiring someone who has experience with sexual assault allegations?
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Postby Ifreann » Tue Mar 02, 2021 8:19 am

San Lumen wrote:
Ifreann wrote:I'd be concerned that varying minimum wage by family status would lead to discrimination in hiring based on family status.



He's hiring a lawyer with relevant experience. Seems only sensible to me. Besides, people already hate him. Being hated and staying out of prison beats being hated and getting convicted.

Yes but he’s hiring a lawyer who defended a convicted rapist.

Like I said, one with relevant experience.
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Postby San Lumen » Tue Mar 02, 2021 8:21 am

Andsed wrote:
San Lumen wrote:Yes but he’s hiring a lawyer who defended a convicted rapist.

Well yeah Lumen of course he is hiring someone with relevant experience. Why would he not be hiring someone who has experience with sexual assault allegations?


The optics of it are terrible. It doesn’t make him look good.

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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Tue Mar 02, 2021 8:22 am

San Lumen wrote:
Andsed wrote:Well yeah Lumen of course he is hiring someone with relevant experience. Why would he not be hiring someone who has experience with sexual assault allegations?


The optics of it are terrible. It doesn’t make him look good.


Optics doesn't really matter at this point. Cuomo knows his political career is done, now it's just trying to avoid anything worse.
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Postby San Lumen » Tue Mar 02, 2021 8:23 am

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The optics of it are terrible. It doesn’t make him look good.


Optics doesn't really matter at this point. Cuomo knows his political career is done, now it's just trying to avoid anything worse.

I hope he resigns soon but he has to big of an ego to do that.

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Postby Saiwania » Tue Mar 02, 2021 8:25 am

San Lumen wrote:Yes but he’s hiring a lawyer who defended a convicted rapist.


If their arguments are persuasive enough, they're an even better defense lawyer if they can manage to get who they're defending in court to get off scott free. I'm sure there are some criminals who can't effectively be defended, but the judicial system in its infinite wisdom, is just structured in such a way where there has to be one side that prosecutes or argues for the conviction/punishment, and another side that argues for the opposite, or the acquittal for the person on trial.

Sometimes someone guilty is declared innocent and vice versa. Its impossible for any judge or jury to know everything or even what the actual truth was of what happened. There is only evidence or circumstances which color whether one verdict or another will be reached.
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Postby Ifreann » Tue Mar 02, 2021 8:36 am

San Lumen wrote:
Andsed wrote:Well yeah Lumen of course he is hiring someone with relevant experience. Why would he not be hiring someone who has experience with sexual assault allegations?


The optics of it are terrible. It doesn’t make him look good.

Like I said, people already hate him.
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Postby Shrillland » Tue Mar 02, 2021 8:57 am

Today, the first Puerto Rican Statehood Bill will be introduced in Congress

If passed, there will be a federally-sponsored binding vote, the official declaration of statehood bill, and a byelection for PR's congressional delegation(once apportion's done, 4 Reps, 2 Senators).
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Postby Andsed » Tue Mar 02, 2021 8:58 am

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Andsed wrote:Well yeah Lumen of course he is hiring someone with relevant experience. Why would he not be hiring someone who has experience with sexual assault allegations?


The optics of it are terrible. It doesn’t make him look good.

Avoiding a conviction is probably higher up on his priority list then preserving whatever remains of his reputation.
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Postby A-Series-Of-Tubes » Tue Mar 02, 2021 9:11 am

Shrillland wrote:Today, the first Puerto Rican Statehood Bill will be introduced in Congress

If passed, there will be a federally-sponsored binding vote, the official declaration of statehood bill, and a byelection for PR's congressional delegation(once apportion's done, 4 Reps, 2 Senators).


Well that's great. At what stage does PR submit a state constitution for approval by Congress?

(Excuse me if that happened already)
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Postby Greater Cesnica » Tue Mar 02, 2021 9:13 am

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The optics of it are terrible. It doesn’t make him look good.

Avoiding a conviction is probably higher up on his priority list then preserving whatever remains of his reputation.

Of course. After all, such politicians aren't exactly accountable to the people.
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Postby San Lumen » Tue Mar 02, 2021 9:15 am

Shrillland wrote:Today, the first Puerto Rican Statehood Bill will be introduced in Congress

If passed, there will be a federally-sponsored binding vote, the official declaration of statehood bill, and a byelection for PR's congressional delegation(once apportion's done, 4 Reps, 2 Senators).

I hope it passes there has never been a better chance for it to happen. I’ve sometimes wondered what the news coverage was like when Alaska and Hawaii became states. At the time there was only the network nightly news. Cable news such as CNN and Fox didn’t exist.

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Postby Trollzyn the Infinite » Tue Mar 02, 2021 9:26 am

Shrillland wrote:Today, the first Puerto Rican Statehood Bill will be introduced in Congress

If passed, there will be a federally-sponsored binding vote, the official declaration of statehood bill, and a byelection for PR's congressional delegation(once apportion's done, 4 Reps, 2 Senators).


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Postby Shrillland » Tue Mar 02, 2021 9:32 am

A-Series-Of-Tubes wrote:
Shrillland wrote:Today, the first Puerto Rican Statehood Bill will be introduced in Congress

If passed, there will be a federally-sponsored binding vote, the official declaration of statehood bill, and a byelection for PR's congressional delegation(once apportion's done, 4 Reps, 2 Senators).


Well that's great. At what stage does PR submit a state constitution for approval by Congress?

(Excuse me if that happened already)


Probably after the binding vote, I suppose, it doesn't say for sure.
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Postby San Lumen » Tue Mar 02, 2021 9:37 am

Shrillland wrote:
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Well that's great. At what stage does PR submit a state constitution for approval by Congress?

(Excuse me if that happened already)


Probably after the binding vote, I suppose, it doesn't say for sure.


How likely do you think it is to pass?

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Postby Shrillland » Tue Mar 02, 2021 9:41 am

San Lumen wrote:
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Probably after the binding vote, I suppose, it doesn't say for sure.


How likely do you think it is to pass?


Not particularly likely as I see it. Even though there are some Republicans who would support the measure in both houses, McConnell could whip up enough opposition to stop it getting the 60 it needs in the Senate. He's convinced that Puerto Rico would be sapphire-blue even though the election showed otherwise.
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Postby San Lumen » Tue Mar 02, 2021 9:43 am

Shrillland wrote:
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How likely do you think it is to pass?


Not particularly likely as I see it. Even though there are some Republicans who would support the measure in both houses, McConnell could whip up enough opposition to stop it getting the 60 it needs in the Senate. He's convinced that Puerto Rico would be sapphire-blue even though the election showed otherwise.


Thats a shame. I would like to see both Puerto Rico and DC become states. This is why to filibuster something you should have to talk. Enough of this cloture and silent filibuster nonsense.

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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Tue Mar 02, 2021 9:43 am

Shrillland wrote:
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How likely do you think it is to pass?


Not particularly likely as I see it. Even though there are some Republicans who would support the measure in both houses, McConnell could whip up enough opposition to stop it getting the 60 it needs in the Senate. He's convinced that Puerto Rico would be sapphire-blue even though the election showed otherwise.


This^

The GOP doesn't really have anything to gain and while they could plausibly win PR I don't see the risk of it going blue and making things even harder for the Republicans as something they'll accept. If we can't get a minimum wage increase we sure as shit aren't going to get a new state.
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Postby The Greater Ohio Valley » Tue Mar 02, 2021 10:04 am

Shrillland wrote:Today, the first Puerto Rican Statehood Bill will be introduced in Congress

If passed, there will be a federally-sponsored binding vote, the official declaration of statehood bill, and a byelection for PR's congressional delegation(once apportion's done, 4 Reps, 2 Senators).

Fucking nice. Let’s hope this passes.
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Postby San Lumen » Tue Mar 02, 2021 10:15 am

https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watc ... -to-resign

De Blasio is calling on Cuomo to resign. Two more state senators and four more assembly members all Democrats said they would vote to impeach the Governor.

“Gov. Cuomo has repeatedly abused his power and yet has faced no accountability,” the legislators said in a joint statement. “We must utilize every mechanism to lead a process commensurate with the severity of the governor’s multiple abuses of power.”

The Working Families party has also called on Cuomo to resign.
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Postby Galloism » Tue Mar 02, 2021 10:21 am

San Lumen wrote:https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/541192-calls-mount-for-cuomo-to-resign

De Blasio is calling on Cuomo to resign. Two more state senators and four more assembly members all Democrats said they would vote to impeach the Governor.

“Gov. Cuomo has repeatedly abused his power and yet has faced no accountability,” the legislators said in a joint statement. “We must utilize every mechanism to lead a process commensurate with the severity of the governor’s multiple abuses of power.”

The Working Families party has also called on Cuomo to resign.

I can't help but see the irony in De Blasio calling for Cuomo to resign.
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Why Republicans Don’t Fear An Electoral Backlash For Opposing Really Popular Parts Of Biden’s Agenda? There are several reasons (you can read the article for a better view):

1. The first reason that congressional Republicans can afford to oppose popular ideas is one that you have probably read a lot about over the last several years: The GOP has several big structural advantages in America’s electoral system.

Gerrymandering, rural/urban divide, electoral college, etc.

2. Second, electoral politics and policy are increasingly disconnected. More and more Americans vote along party lines and are unlikely to break from their side no matter what it does.

Speaks for itself: party loyalty over party views. Hence how someone like Manchin, who opposes a $15 minimum wage can win despite WV voters supporting such a move.

3. Third, the last several midterm elections have all been defined by backlashes against the incumbent president.

That will lead into point 4:

4. Mitch McConnell Theory: voters may like a president’s policies in the abstract but still think he isn’t doing a good job or that his policies aren’t that effective if those policies aren’t bipartisan.

Essentially, McConnell (and other Republicans) whipped up opposition to some policies, even if they supported said policies to make the issues look partisan despite the fact a majority may support such a view. We seen that used quite well in the Obama Years.

5. The fifth reason is a more complicated one: Swing voters may not swing to the party with the most popular policies — either because they don’t engage with politics in that way or because they are motivated by non-policy concerns.

Basically, they focus on things that may not be as important.
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I must say, this is one of the few good decisions from the Biden admin recently. Not only because it recognizes the immorality of destroying native land for corporate profit, but additionally ends one more project destructive to nature. I hope Joe keeps making choices like this, instead of the other recent decisions I've seen out of there.
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