American Politics IV: 1400 Reasons Why(A Stimulus Serial)

[Major-Tom]

Sara Gideon was quite possibly the worst of all the Senate candidates, unfortunately.

How so?

Her entire campaign was based on national politics in a state like Maine, where voters still strongly emphasize localism and regionalism. Her whole message was off, instead of "I want to get X, Y, and Z passed for Maine" it was "We need to get rid of Susan Collins because she is a Republican." Not a great strategy.

[Quanzo]

So Manchin now runs America. Nothing can happen that he does not sign off on.

Thats the price of democracy. Perhaps Maine should have ousted Collins.

susan collins is not a true moderate. she says she is so sh can win. i wish she was gone

[San Lumen]

Sara Gideon was quite possibly the worst of all the Senate candidates, unfortunately.

No id say that honor goes to the Democrat from North Carolina who couldn’t keep it in his pants

I still think it should have been kept quiet. it was no ones business. The First Lady of France a number of years ago had an affair with a model in New York and few in the country gave a darn.

[Ifreann]

So Manchin now runs America. Nothing can happen that he does not sign off on.

By sheer unfortunate circumstance, sure, you could make that argument.

It's a double-edged sword, if he gets primaried out, we lose that seat or he switches parties and loses us the majority. If we try to keep it as is, he'll keep hindering many portions of the agenda. Oh well.

So America has switched from Emperor Mitch McConnell to Emperor Joe Manchin.

Seems like you need to change your country to an actual democracy instead of an effective dictatorship.

[San Lumen]

How so?

Her entire campaign was based on national politics in a state like Maine, where voters still strongly emphasize localism and regionalism. Her whole message was off, instead of "I want to get X, Y, and Z passed for Maine" it was "We need to get rid of Susan Collins because she is a Republican." Not a great strategy.

I agree thats not a good strategy.

By sheer unfortunate circumstance, sure, you could make that argument.

It's a double-edged sword, if he gets primaried out, we lose that seat or he switches parties and loses us the majority. If we try to keep it as is, he'll keep hindering many portions of the agenda. Oh well.

So America has switched from Emperor Mitch McConnell to Emperor Joe Manchin.

Seems like you need to change your country to an actual democracy instead of an effective dictatorship.

what would you change?

[Thermodolia]

How so?

Her entire campaign was based on national politics in a state like Maine, where voters still strongly emphasize localism and regionalism. Her whole message was off, instead of "I want to get X, Y, and Z passed for Maine" it was "We need to get rid of Susan Collins because she is a Republican." Not a great strategy.

Ya the democrats here in Georgia proved that the former is the way to win elections and not the later. If she had focused on getting things passed for Maine she’d be in office

[San Lumen]

Her entire campaign was based on national politics in a state like Maine, where voters still strongly emphasize localism and regionalism. Her whole message was off, instead of "I want to get X, Y, and Z passed for Maine" it was "We need to get rid of Susan Collins because she is a Republican." Not a great strategy.

Ya the democrats here in Georgia proved that the former is the way to win elections and not the later. If she had focused on getting things passed for Maine she’d be in office

I wonder if the runoffs would have gone the same way if she had lost though.

[Punished UMN]

No id say that honor goes to the Democrat from North Carolina who couldn’t keep it in his pants

I still think it should have been kept quiet. it was no ones business. The First Lady of France a number of years ago had an affair with a model in New York and few in the country gave a darn.

"True information should be suppressed because it might hurt us politically"

hmmm

[San Lumen]

I still think it should have been kept quiet. it was no ones business. The First Lady of France a number of years ago had an affair with a model in New York and few in the country gave a darn.

"True information should be suppressed because it might hurt us politically"

hmmm

No I was saying his opponent should have kept it quiet. I would have if I was in their shoes as it was nobody's business.

[Thermodolia]

No id say that honor goes to the Democrat from North Carolina who couldn’t keep it in his pants

I still think it should have been kept quiet. it was no ones business. The First Lady of France a number of years ago had an affair with a model in New York and few in the country gave a darn.

Because she’s not running for office and because literally everyone and their mother in France has a mistress of some sort.

But here in the US it’s obviously an issue. And it’s his fault. Politics is cutthroat and you’d be stupid to hold back on such a thing.

[Washington Resistance Army]

No id say that honor goes to the Democrat from North Carolina who couldn’t keep it in his pants

I still think it should have been kept quiet. it was no ones business. The First Lady of France a number of years ago had an affair with a model in New York and few in the country gave a darn.

France isn't America. We really care about those sorts of things.

"True information should be suppressed because it might hurt us politically"

hmmm

No I was saying his opponent should have kept it quiet. I would have if I was in their shoes as it was nobody's business.

And this is why you have no future in politics lol

[Thermodolia]

Ya the democrats here in Georgia proved that the former is the way to win elections and not the later. If she had focused on getting things passed for Maine she’d be in office

I wonder if the runoffs would have gone the same way if she had lost though.

They probably still would have as you’d still need the seats from georgia to get a majority.

[San Lumen]

I wonder if the runoffs would have gone the same way if she had lost though.

They probably still would have as you’d still need the seats from georgia to get a majority.

No if Collins had lost Democrats would have had 50 seats.

[Major-Tom]

By sheer unfortunate circumstance, sure, you could make that argument.

It's a double-edged sword, if he gets primaried out, we lose that seat or he switches parties and loses us the majority. If we try to keep it as is, he'll keep hindering many portions of the agenda. Oh well.

So America has switched from Emperor Mitch McConnell to Emperor Joe Manchin.

Seems like you need to change your country to an actual democracy instead of an effective dictatorship.

By all means, I invite you to come and help us with that. Many of us are trying.

[Saiwania]

Ironically, renewables are actually making the problem worse in a sense. Texas wind turbines, like all the rest of their infrastructure, aren't really designed with cold weather in mind, so they get covered with ice pretty quickly and can't turn in the wind. Fortunately, that's a problem that can be easily solved by going to cold weather designs.

There have been wind turbines that keep working just fine in Antarctica for decades at this point. Unfortunately what you speak of in this case- were lies by the segment of the far right in the US that is still wedded to fossil fuel interests. More accurately it was Tucker Carlson lying and climate change denialist Republicans running with it.

Texas is a Republican state where for many decades there has been little to no investment in renewables for its energy sector. In Texas' case, it was a massive failure of traditional oil and natural gas pipelines or power plants. It got so cold in Texas that pipes burst or froze solid. Nothing was winterized deliberately to save money, and because there was an assumption a big freeze wouldn't happen.

[Thermodolia]

They probably still would have as you’d still need the seats from georgia to get a majority.

No if Collins had lost Democrats would have had 50 seats.

No they wouldn’t have. They’d only have 49 because you are forgetting that the republicans lost two seats in georgia not one.

As seen here

[A-Series-Of-Tubes]

He'd vote for the bill now, in exchange for not getting primaried four years from now.

a primary he will likely win anyway therefore what is the point? You think threatening to primary him four years from now is going to change his mind when he barely won the general in 2018?

If your ideal candidate wins in West Virginia they will lose. Why do you want to throw away a seat?

At this stage I'm thinking Umeria isn't a Democrat ... really much at all.

[San Lumen]

No if Collins had lost Democrats would have had 50 seats.

No they wouldn’t have. They’d only have 49 because you are forgetting that the republicans lost two seats in georgia not one.

how would they not? They gained Arizona and Colorado. Sanders and King caucus with Democrats. Maine would have been 50

[Umeria]

a primary he will likely win anyway therefore what is the point?

He won't win if Biden backs his opponent.

You think threatening to primary him four years from now is going to change his mind when he barely won the general in 2018?

Yes! Winning a general by a small margin means he's capable of being primaried!

If your ideal candidate wins in West Virginia they will lose. Why do you want to throw away a seat?

Because the threat of throwing away a seat gets him to vote for the $15 minimum wage.

It's a double-edged sword, if he gets primaried out, we lose that seat or he switches parties and loses us the majority. If we try to keep it as is, he'll keep hindering many portions of the agenda. Oh well.

Did Republicans say "oh well" when they lost the House in 2018? No, they got their agenda passed anyway because they know how to wield power.

At this stage I'm thinking Umeria isn't a Democrat ... really much at all.

I mean I voted for Biden. I support the issues the Democrats claim to support; raising the minimum wage, stopping climate change and whatnot. I guess I break with most Democrats in that I actually want to fight for those issues.

[Thermodolia]

No they wouldn’t have. They’d only have 49 because you are forgetting that the republicans lost two seats in georgia not one.

how would they not? They gained Arizona and Colorado. Sanders and King caucus with Democrats. Maine would have been 50

Um no it would be 49/49. Georgia would still be the deciding factor

[Ifreann]

Her entire campaign was based on national politics in a state like Maine, where voters still strongly emphasize localism and regionalism. Her whole message was off, instead of "I want to get X, Y, and Z passed for Maine" it was "We need to get rid of Susan Collins because she is a Republican." Not a great strategy.

I agree thats not a good strategy.

So America has switched from Emperor Mitch McConnell to Emperor Joe Manchin.

Seems like you need to change your country to an actual democracy instead of an effective dictatorship.

what would you change?

Everything? Probably everything. But on a smaller scale, maybe the Democrats should develop the requisite internal organs to tell Manchin that if he doesn't support the agenda that got them into power then when he's up for election he'll be expelled from the party.

[San Lumen]

a primary he will likely win anyway therefore what is the point?

He won't win if Biden backs his opponent.

You think threatening to primary him four years from now is going to change his mind when he barely won the general in 2018?

Yes! Winning a general by a small margin means he's capable of being primaried!

If your ideal candidate wins in West Virginia they will lose. Why do you want to throw away a seat?

Because the threat of throwing away a seat gets him to vote for the $15 minimum wage.

It's a double-edged sword, if he gets primaried out, we lose that seat or he switches parties and loses us the majority. If we try to keep it as is, he'll keep hindering many portions of the agenda. Oh well.

Did Republicans say "oh well" when they lost the House in 2018? No, they got their agenda passed anyway because they know how to wield power.

At this stage I'm thinking Umeria isn't a Democrat ... really much at all.

I mean I voted for Biden. I support the issues the Democrats claim to support; raising the minimum wage, stopping climate change and whatnot. I guess I break with most Democrats in that I actually want to fight for those issues.

why would Biden do that? He doesnt want to lose the seat.

No winning a general by a slim means the seat is competitive.

How does it get him to vote for it? The election is also four years away. a lot can change between now and then

I supported Biden too and want to fight for those issues but compromise is essential to getting anything done.

[Thermodolia]

He won't win if Biden backs his opponent.


Yes! Winning a general by a small margin means he's capable of being primaried!


Because the threat of throwing away a seat gets him to vote for the $15 minimum wage.


Did Republicans say "oh well" when they lost the House in 2018? No, they got their agenda passed anyway because they know how to wield power.


I mean I voted for Biden. I support the issues the Democrats claim to support; raising the minimum wage, stopping climate change and whatnot. I guess I break with most Democrats in that I actually want to fight for those issues.

why would Biden do that? He doesnt want to lose the seat.

No winning a general by a slim means the seat is competitive.

How does it get him to vote for it? The election is also four years away. a lot can change between now and then

I supported Biden too and want to fight for those issues but compromise is essential to getting anything done.

Dude democrats could lose the seat and still be fine come 2024. They are more than likely to gain a majority in 2022 so really they can just tell Manchin to support the raise or they’ll just dump his ass come 2023 when they get their 54-46 seat majority

[San Lumen]

why would Biden do that? He doesnt want to lose the seat.

No winning a general by a slim means the seat is competitive.

How does it get him to vote for it? The election is also four years away. a lot can change between now and then

I supported Biden too and want to fight for those issues but compromise is essential to getting anything done.

Dude democrats could lose the seat and still be fine come 2024. They are more than likely to gain a majority in 2022 so really they can just tell Manchin to support the raise or they’ll just dump his ass come 2023 when they get their 54-46 seat majority

I hope your prediction is correct. History isn't on Democrats side. The seat isn't up until 2024.

[Odreria]

The problem is the dems don't actually care that Manchin blocks their legislation. If they actually wanted to pass their agenda they wouldn't have intentionally thrown so many senate races