American Politics IV: 1400 Reasons Why(A Stimulus Serial)

[Washington Resistance Army]

I'm kind of alluding to Joe Manchin here.


I completely agree that primarying Manchin means his seat will probably go to a Republican. That's what's called a risk. If you don't take that risk, Manchin won't do anything you want, effectively turning him into a Republican.


So you don't have standards.

It’s a risk I’m not willing to take. Had he lost in 2018 Biden would not be getting anything done and would not have a cabinet or get any judges nominated. Why don’t you see this?

I do have standards and they include nominating people who can win.

Biden isn't able to get anything done anyways. There really is no functional difference for passing legislation if you have 49 votes compared to 50, you still have to bend over backwards and let the GOP gut everything for even a chance of it happening.

[The Alma Mater]

Soleimani doesn’t carry Iran on his back like a turtle.

If Iran assassinated one of our generals do you think we'd care which country he was residing in at the time? No, we would say "they attacked us".

I daresay that if you shot an Iranian general in Beijing, Munich or Moscow there would be... consequences.

[A-Series-Of-Tubes]

It’s a risk I’m not willing to take. Had he lost in 2018 Biden would not be getting anything done and would not have a cabinet or get any judges nominated. Why don’t you see this?

I do have standards and they include nominating people who can win.

Biden isn't able to get anything done anyways. There really is no functional difference for passing legislation if you have 49 votes compared to 50, you still have to bend over backwards and let the GOP gut everything for even a chance of it happening.

The party with technical control of the Senate decides what even get debated or voted on. Republicans would clearly rather not talk about more Stimulus. The Senate would be talking about something else if they had control.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

Biden isn't able to get anything done anyways. There really is no functional difference for passing legislation if you have 49 votes compared to 50, you still have to bend over backwards and let the GOP gut everything for even a chance of it happening.

The party with technical control of the Senate decides what even get debated or voted on. Republicans would clearly rather not talk about more Stimulus. The Senate would be talking about something else if they had control.

Like how the 2020 election was stolen even almost half a year post-election.

[Odreria]

It’s a risk I’m not willing to take. Had he lost in 2018 Biden would not be getting anything done and would not have a cabinet or get any judges nominated. Why don’t you see this?

I do have standards and they include nominating people who can win.

Biden isn't able to get anything done anyways. There really is no functional difference for passing legislation if you have 49 votes compared to 50, you still have to bend over backwards and let the GOP gut everything for even a chance of it happening.

a lot of the policy initiatives are just for show anyway imo. Biden and Harris knew it was a lie when they said they'd raise the minimum wage.

[Vassenor]

Biden isn't able to get anything done anyways. There really is no functional difference for passing legislation if you have 49 votes compared to 50, you still have to bend over backwards and let the GOP gut everything for even a chance of it happening.

a lot of the policy initiatives are just for show anyway imo. Biden and Harris knew it was a lie when they said they'd raise the minimum wage.

"One attempt to do it failed so there's no way to do it"

Top logic

[Picairn]

So why lose with Manchin?

Why not? The stimulus being passed is already a victory in my book. Would you rather the Repubs feed us crumbs from their $600 billion package, or even no package at all? As I said, there is no retry button in real life.

They could have passed $2000 in the first week if they used the methods I described.

Unseating Manchin won't give you $2000. You'd have $0.

They vote Republican because they're conservative on social issues. Economically, West Virginians are populist and pro-union.

The progressive that ran against him in 2018 was destroyed thoroughly, by 39 points.

Biden isn't able to get anything done anyways. There really is no functional difference for passing legislation if you have 49 votes compared to 50, you still have to bend over backwards and let the GOP gut everything for even a chance of it happening.

With a 50-50 Senate, Biden is guaranteed to get his cabinet confirmed, and the package passed. The $1.9 trillion was passed with almost full content - save for the minimum wage. So no, this isn't a big gut nor bending over backwards for the GOP. I'd be more worried if the child tax credits, the unemployment insurance, the eviction moratorium, or the checks were getting gutted.

[Umeria]

So why lose with Manchin?

Why not? The stimulus being passed is already a victory in my book. Would you rather the Repubs feed us crumbs from their $600 billion package, or even no package at all? As I said, there is no retry button in real life.

You got me, I would rather have a little stimulus than no stimulus. I'd still like to push for the normal-sized stimulus.

They could have passed $2000 in the first week if they used the methods I described.

Unseating Manchin won't give you $2000. You'd have $0.

What? Any unseating would happen four years from now. I'm talking about threatening Manchin with said unseating so that he votes your way.

They vote Republican because they're conservative on social issues. Economically, West Virginians are populist and pro-union.

The progressive that ran against him in 2018 was destroyed thoroughly, by 39 points.

And two years later she won the primary for the other seat, when there wasn't an incumbent involved.

[Washington Resistance Army]

a lot of the policy initiatives are just for show anyway imo. Biden and Harris knew it was a lie when they said they'd raise the minimum wage.

"One attempt to do it failed so there's no way to do it"

Top logic

I mean, there is just literally no way to do it with a 50-50 Senate. Those big lofty ideas are never going to pass, you'd have to get rid of the filibuster to do it and there's not enough Dem votes for it.

[New haven america]

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So get a one bedroom or a roommate. Boo hoo, you have to be an adult and budget properly.

Hey, did you know the economy we're currently living in acts as if $15 is the minimum wage?

You didn't? Well of course not, because it's actually acting more like the MW is $17 or so.

But yeah, sure, not being able to live off of MW is totally an individual issue.

[Saiwania]

https://thehill.com/policy/technology/5 ... arks-clash

Some Democrats are apparently pressuring some cable companies to censor or deplatform right wing media for "disinformation" which includes Fox News, OANN, and Newsmax.

Isn't the US federal government pursuing this going against 1st Amendment? What business is it for the government to try to tell cable companies what to broadcast? The cable companies are normally only concerned with money/ratings and don't have to answer to the whims of any politicians if what they're doing is fully within the law.

[Greater Miami Shores]

https://thehill.com/policy/technology/540386-democrats-letter-targeting-fox-newsmax-for-misinformation-sparks-clash

Some Democrats are apparently pressuring some cable companies to censor or deplatform right wing media for "disinformation" which includes Fox News, OANN, and Newsmax.

Isn't the US federal government pursuing this going against 1st Amendment? What business is it for the government to try to tell cable companies what to do? The cable companies are normally only concerned with money/ratings and don't have to answer to the whims of any politicians if what they're doing is fully within the law.

If the Democrats are not pressuring it they are not some cable companies to censor or deplatform right wing media for "disinformation" which includes Fox News, OANN, and Newsmax - Than Cool

If Certain Democrats are pressuring some cable companies to censor or deplatform right wing media for "disinformation" which includes Fox News, OANN, and Newsmax - Than the other democrats in congress need to condemn them and attempt to expel them from congress like they impeached Republican President Donald J Trump of the USA - and Democrat supporters need to condemn them on and off NS - But it might or might not happen, or happen to some.

Alberto - GMS

[Greater Miami Shores]

https://thehill.com/policy/technology/540386-democrats-letter-targeting-fox-newsmax-for-misinformation-sparks-clash

Some Democrats are apparently pressuring some cable companies to censor or deplatform right wing media for "disinformation" which includes Fox News, OANN, and Newsmax.

Isn't the US federal government pursuing this going against 1st Amendment? What business is it for the government to try to tell cable companies what to do? The cable companies are normally only concerned with money/ratings and don't have to answer to the whims of any politicians if what they're doing is fully within the law.

If the Democrats are not pressuring some cable companies to censor or deplatform right wing media for "disinformation" which includes Fox News, OANN, and Newsmax - Than cool.

If Certain Democrats are pressuring some cable companies to censor or deplatform right wing media for "disinformation" which includes Fox News, OANN, and Newsmax - Than they should be condemned by all Democrats and their supporters on NS and across the USA like certain ones are condemning Republicans and Republican President Donald J Trump of the USA.

Than The Certain Democrat in congress should be charged with expulsion which is a form of impeachment - like they impeached Republican President Donald J Trump of the USA.

[A-Series-Of-Tubes]

So why lose with Manchin?

Why not? The stimulus being passed is already a victory in my book. Would you rather the Repubs feed us crumbs from their $600 billion package, or even no package at all? As I said, there is no retry button in real life.

Stimulus is good but it's hardly new policy: there were two of them last year.

I guess the next chance to pass $15 minimum wage without a supermajority, would be the next Budget.

[Washington Resistance Army]

https://thehill.com/policy/technology/540386-democrats-letter-targeting-fox-newsmax-for-misinformation-sparks-clash

Some Democrats are apparently pressuring some cable companies to censor or deplatform right wing media for "disinformation" which includes Fox News, OANN, and Newsmax.

Isn't the US federal government pursuing this going against 1st Amendment? What business is it for the government to try to tell cable companies what to broadcast? The cable companies are normally only concerned with money/ratings and don't have to answer to the whims of any politicians if what they're doing is fully within the law.

Neat. Hopefully it works.

[A-Series-Of-Tubes]

How about just X-rating their "news" as ideological pornography?

[Odreria]

"One attempt to do it failed so there's no way to do it"

Top logic

I mean, there is just literally no way to do it with a 50-50 Senate. Those big lofty ideas are never going to pass, you'd have to get rid of the filibuster to do it and there's not enough Dem votes for it.

They’re going all out to confirm fucking neera tanden, and there’s more opposition to that than to the minimum wage. I’m not saying it would be an easy or even likely win, but joe biden not giving a shit is at least as big an obstacle atm then joe manchin or anybody else

[Great Pacific Switzerland]

So get a one bedroom or a roommate. Boo hoo, you have to be an adult and budget properly.

Hey, did you know the economy we're currently living in acts as if $15 is the minimum wage?

You didn't? Well of course not, because it's actually acting more like the MW is $17 or so.

But yeah, sure, not being able to live off of MW is totally an individual issue.

>Not getting 20 dollars working for Mcdonalds
>Getting 50 dollars an hour as a tradie, probably not in the USA
America truly is the nation of wage slavery, even if the wages are large

Honestly, rather be a NEET than a wagecuck

[The Archregimancy]

Anything that keeps Republicans out of power is a good thing.

lol:
Anything that keeps Democrats out of power is a good thing

GMS - GMS - GMS lol.

GMS - GMS - GMS lol.

GMS - GMS - GMS lol.

lol
I'm having a lol Attack.

*** Warned for smiley spam ***

GMS, I've done my best to defend your right to post in this thread, but there is nothing constructive about this post. It's spam, pure and simple; and exacerbated by the over-use of smilies.

See here (emphasis added):

Spam, and the different types of it
There are many types of spam, but the general definition is making a post that doesn't have any sort of use. Excessive bumping, tagging, and random posts with irrelevant information are all examples of spam. The same applies to in-game posts on regional message boards and telegrams.

*Excessive Bumping: Bumping is adding a meaningless (*bump*) post to a thread to push it back to the top of the list. Bump rates vary between forums, but as a rule, once every 24 hours is the maximum outside General or II where it may be acceptable to bump any thread that has fallen past the first two pages. If the bulk of your posts, or posts in the thread are bumps, you should take it to mean that there is not enough in your topic, and let it end.

*Forum Spam: Off-topic, irrelevant and multi-posts that do not belong, such as smiley spam, meme spam, linkspam, and attempting to increase your post count.

[Greater Miami Shores]

lol:
Anything that keeps Democrats out of power is a good thing

GMS - GMS - GMS lol.

GMS - GMS - GMS lol.

GMS - GMS - GMS lol.

lol
I'm having a lol Attack.

*** Warned for smiley spam ***

GMS, I've done my best to defend your right to post in this thread, but there is nothing constructive about this post. It's spam, pure and simple; and exacerbated by the over-use of smilies in the right places of laughter - and the reason I added lol Im

See here (emphasis added):

Spam, and the different types of it
There are many types of spam, but the general definition is making a post that doesn't have any sort of use. Excessive bumping, tagging, and random posts with irrelevant information are all examples of spam. The same applies to in-game posts on regional message boards and telegrams.

*Excessive Bumping: Bumping is adding a meaningless (*bump*) post to a thread to push it back to the top of the list. Bump rates vary between forums, but as a rule, once every 24 hours is the maximum outside General or II where it may be acceptable to bump any thread that has fallen past the first two pages. If the bulk of your posts, or posts in the thread are bumps, you should take it to mean that there is not enough in your topic, and let it end.

*Forum Spam: Off-topic, irrelevant and multi-posts that do not belong, such as smilies spam, meme spam, linkspam, and attempting to increase your post count.

Thank you Arch I know you defend my right to post pro Trump Posts - My Post was clearly a friendly Joke - this is why I used the smilies and lol I'm having a lol attack - it was meant as a Friendly Joke not seriously - can I appeal on the Mod Forum? - Thank you either way - GMS

[Odreria]

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So get a one bedroom or a roommate. Boo hoo, you have to be an adult and budget properly.

So much for family values

[Istoreya]

Thank you Arch I know you defend my right to post pro Trump Post - My Post was clearly a friendly Joke - this is why I used the smilies

If you're trying to appeal the warning, you'll need to do that in the report thread.

[Vassenor]

So get a one bedroom or a roommate. Boo hoo, you have to be an adult and budget properly.

So much for family values

Family Values is only important when it's an excuse to oppress the homosexuals.

[New haven america]

Hey, did you know the economy we're currently living in acts as if $15 is the minimum wage?

You didn't? Well of course not, because it's actually acting more like the MW is $17 or so.

But yeah, sure, not being able to live off of MW is totally an individual issue.

>Not getting 20 dollars working for Mcdonalds
>Getting 50 dollars an hour as a tradie, probably not in the USA
America truly is the nation of wage slavery, even if the wages are large

Honestly, rather be a NEET than a wagecuck

Actually, the average trade worker only gets around $50 an hour if they're in a Union state.

At Will states the average trade worker gets about only ~$15 an hour. (Course there are exceptions, masters can make $150,000, but as I said they're the exception, not the rule)

Also, $7.50 was worth about $24 today in the 60's when MW was originally introduced.

[Saiwania]

At Will states the average trade worker gets about only ~$15 an hour. (Course there are exceptions, masters can make $150,000, but as I said they're the exception, not the rule)

Most professional tradespeople with enough experience or skill, start their own company or practice, which is where the real money is. You'll get far more working for yourself than as part of a larger company. A good enough electrician or plumber for example, makes a ton. Plenty of people don't want to have to call either if they have a residential problem that needs fixing as a result.

People try to fix it themselves with help from online and materials from Lowes/Home Depot, unless the problem is beyond them in difficulty and they have to budget for outside help.