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The powerful lands of America
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Postby The powerful lands of America » Sat Feb 27, 2021 6:33 pm

Greater Cesnica wrote:
Dresderstan wrote:The red tape needs to be cut, as do our binds that hold us as slaves against a corrupt tyrannical and dying government.

Luckily for us, there is a common solution to both problems ;)

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Postby Dresderstan » Sat Feb 27, 2021 6:33 pm

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Dresderstan wrote:Tell that to those in the riots last year.

I say that to everyone, it's better to react with peace.

No it's not, nothing will ever get done.

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Postby Sundiata » Sat Feb 27, 2021 6:36 pm

Greater Cesnica wrote:
Sundiata wrote:It's possible not to react to injustice with violence.

Sure, on paper. In practice, we have been stretched to a breaking point where force is the only viable solution.

Nobody has been pushed to the point that warrants violence against government officials.
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Postby Greater Cesnica » Sat Feb 27, 2021 6:37 pm

Sundiata wrote:
Dresderstan wrote:Tell that to those in the riots last year.

I say that to everyone, it's better to react with peace.

I get that, you want us to turn the other cheek to the violence. We have done that for decades. We have been humiliated. We have been hurt, killed, rendered destitute. Our government represents tyranny not only to us, but to those around the world. Have you seen this video? This type of incident has occurred hundreds, if not thousands of times; this is just a glimpse into the true depravity of the American regime.
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Postby Greater Cesnica » Sat Feb 27, 2021 6:37 pm

Sundiata wrote:
Dresderstan wrote:Tell that to those in the riots last year.

I say that to everyone, it's better to react with peace.

I get that, you want us to turn the other cheek to the violence. Americans have done that for decades. They have been humiliated. They have been hurt, killed, rendered destitute. Our government represents tyranny not only to us, but to those around the world. Have you seen this video? This type of incident has occurred hundreds, if not thousands of times; this is just a glimpse into the true depravity of the American regime.
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San Lumen wrote:You are ridiculous.
George Orwell wrote:“That rifle on the wall of the labourer's cottage or working class flat is the symbol of democracy. It is our job to see that it stays there.”

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Postby Sundiata » Sat Feb 27, 2021 6:38 pm

Dresderstan wrote:
Sundiata wrote:I say that to everyone, it's better to react with peace.

No it's not, nothing will ever get done.

If it can't be accomplished peacefully then it doesn't need to be done violently.
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Postby Dresderstan » Sat Feb 27, 2021 6:39 pm

Sundiata wrote:
Greater Cesnica wrote:Sure, on paper. In practice, we have been stretched to a breaking point where force is the only viable solution.

Nobody has been pushed to the point that warrants violence against government officials.

False, people have since the beginning of civilization, not everyone is a goody two shoes do gooder who thinks peace is the only option, because it isn't.

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Postby Greater Cesnica » Sat Feb 27, 2021 6:40 pm

Sundiata wrote:
Greater Cesnica wrote:Sure, on paper. In practice, we have been stretched to a breaking point where force is the only viable solution.

Nobody has been pushed to the point that warrants violence against government officials.

Bullshit. You can say that because you've never been pushed to experience that grief, that loss, that destitution.
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San Lumen wrote:You are ridiculous.
George Orwell wrote:“That rifle on the wall of the labourer's cottage or working class flat is the symbol of democracy. It is our job to see that it stays there.”

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Postby Dresderstan » Sat Feb 27, 2021 6:40 pm

Sundiata wrote:
Dresderstan wrote:No it's not, nothing will ever get done.

If it can't be accomplished peacefully then it doesn't need to be done violently.

No if it can't be accomplished peacefully violence is the only other option. What the fuck is your logic, if it can't be done peacefully do what, just sit and die at the hands of the elite establishment and continue to be treated as slaves?

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Postby Greater Cesnica » Sat Feb 27, 2021 6:40 pm

Alcala-Cordel wrote:
Greater Cesnica wrote:Sure, on paper. In practice, we have been stretched to a breaking point where force is the only viable solution.

"No justice, no peace"

What a succinct motto.
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San Lumen wrote:You are ridiculous.
George Orwell wrote:“That rifle on the wall of the labourer's cottage or working class flat is the symbol of democracy. It is our job to see that it stays there.”

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Postby Alcala-Cordel » Sat Feb 27, 2021 6:42 pm

Sundiata wrote:
Greater Cesnica wrote:Sure, on paper. In practice, we have been stretched to a breaking point where force is the only viable solution.

Nobody has been pushed to the point that warrants violence against government officials.

People are systematically murdered and imprisoned, Sundiata.
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Postby Sundiata » Sat Feb 27, 2021 6:43 pm

Greater Cesnica wrote:
Sundiata wrote:Nobody has been pushed to the point that warrants violence against government officials.

Bullshit. You can say that because you've never been pushed to experience that grief, that loss, that destitution.

What kind of privileged upper class elite do you think I am? I know how hard life is, I know deeply.
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Postby Dresderstan » Sat Feb 27, 2021 6:44 pm

Sundiata wrote:
Greater Cesnica wrote:Bullshit. You can say that because you've never been pushed to experience that grief, that loss, that destitution.

What kind of privileged upper class elite do you think I am? I know how hard life is, I know deeply.

Because you're acting like one.

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Postby Greater Cesnica » Sat Feb 27, 2021 6:44 pm

Sundiata wrote:
Dresderstan wrote:No it's not, nothing will ever get done.

If it can't be accomplished peacefully then it doesn't need to be done violently.

“Be on your guard; stand firm in the faith; be courageous; be strong.” - 1 Corinthians 16:13

“Be strong and courageous, because you will lead these people to inherit the land I swore to their ancestors to give them.” - Joshua 1:6

"Be strong and courageous. Do not be afraid or terrified because of them, for the Lord your God goes with you; he will never leave you nor forsake you." - Deuteronomy 31:6
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San Lumen wrote:You are ridiculous.
George Orwell wrote:“That rifle on the wall of the labourer's cottage or working class flat is the symbol of democracy. It is our job to see that it stays there.”

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Postby San Lumen » Sat Feb 27, 2021 6:45 pm

Dresderstan wrote:
Sundiata wrote:If it can't be accomplished peacefully then it doesn't need to be done violently.

No if it can't be accomplished peacefully violence is the only other option. What the fuck is your logic, if it can't be done peacefully do what, just sit and die at the hands of the elite establishment and continue to be treated as slaves?

Go start your revolution then.

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Postby Sundiata » Sat Feb 27, 2021 6:47 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Dresderstan wrote:No if it can't be accomplished peacefully violence is the only other option. What the fuck is your logic, if it can't be done peacefully do what, just sit and die at the hands of the elite establishment and continue to be treated as slaves?

Go start your revolution then.

We all want to change the world.
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Postby San Lumen » Sat Feb 27, 2021 6:47 pm

Sundiata wrote:
San Lumen wrote:Now it makes it harder for him to call it a lie. I wonder if more women will come forward.

If it's true it's ridiculous that he's flirting with the women who work for him. He should really have the self-control not to do that.

It’s the age gap that makes it so creepy. He needs to resign or not run for a fourth term. I’d much rather have Hochul.
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Postby Dresderstan » Sat Feb 27, 2021 6:50 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Dresderstan wrote:No if it can't be accomplished peacefully violence is the only other option. What the fuck is your logic, if it can't be done peacefully do what, just sit and die at the hands of the elite establishment and continue to be treated as slaves?

Go start your revolution then.

Because it's SOOOOO easy to just start a revolution. :roll:

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Postby Greater Miami Shores » Sat Feb 27, 2021 6:51 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Dresderstan wrote:No if it can't be accomplished peacefully violence is the only other option. What the fuck is your logic, if it can't be done peacefully do what, just sit and die at the hands of the elite establishment and continue to be treated as slaves?

Go start your revolution then.

If the undemocratic persecution and hate of President Trump and Proud Republican Trump supporters continues, there will be a revolution in the USA, a coup d'état, and President Trump will be President again. But I will not participate in any acts of violence.

GMS.
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I once tried to K Me. Posted It and Reported. Locked by Mods. I am Autistic accounts for Repetitive Nature. I am Very Civil and Respectful to all on NS and off NS. My Opinions Are Not Bad Opinions No Ones Opinions Are Bad Opinons. We are on NS, to share, discuss, argue, disagree, on Trump, elections, Republicans, Democrats, Socialists, Libertarians and whatevers, with respect. This Respect Is Given It Is Not Earned, This Respect Is Called Freedom of Expression and Democracy. This Man Always Says What He Means, I Am The Real Thing. I Make Ted Cruz look like a Leftist. I have been on NS For over 10 Years with a Perfect Record of No Baiting, Trolling, Flaming, or Using Foul Language. I Am Very Proud of It and Wish To Keep My Record Clean. But I Am Not The Only One On NS. GMS. I'm Based.

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Postby Greater Cesnica » Sat Feb 27, 2021 6:51 pm

Dresderstan wrote:
San Lumen wrote:Go start your revolution then.

Because it's SOOOOO easy to just start a revolution. :roll:

Sure, it's easy to be a lone wolf person and do your own thing. But that's ineffective, and generally raises bad optics. It's better to first create a cohesive movement with a singular goal.
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San Lumen wrote:You are ridiculous.
George Orwell wrote:“That rifle on the wall of the labourer's cottage or working class flat is the symbol of democracy. It is our job to see that it stays there.”

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Postby Drew Durrnil » Sat Feb 27, 2021 6:52 pm

Greater Miami Shores wrote:
San Lumen wrote:Go start your revolution then.

If the undemocratic persecution of President Trump and Proud Republican Trump supporters continues, there will be a revolution in the USA, a coup d'état, and President Trump will be President again. But I will not participate in any acts of violence.

GMS.

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Postby Greater Cesnica » Sat Feb 27, 2021 6:52 pm

Greater Miami Shores wrote:
San Lumen wrote:Go start your revolution then.

If the undemocratic persecution of President Trump and Proud Republican Trump supporters continues, there will be a revolution in the USA, a coup d'état, and President Trump will be President again. But I will not participate in any acts of violence.

GMS.

We don't want a statist revolution. We don't want an authoritarian strongman as leader. You do, for whatever reason you've concocted in your head.
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San Lumen wrote:You are ridiculous.
George Orwell wrote:“That rifle on the wall of the labourer's cottage or working class flat is the symbol of democracy. It is our job to see that it stays there.”

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Postby Diahon » Sat Feb 27, 2021 6:54 pm

Dresderstan wrote:
Sundiata wrote:What kind of privileged upper class elite do you think I am? I know how hard life is, I know deeply.

Because you're acting like one.


revolution has its displacements

not hard to get what sundiata and san lumen are opposed to, you know

still, it's pretty obvious efforts at reform have produced stasis at best... and a political party now bent on subverting democracy for power at depths we have not even plumbed yet

so revolt it is

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Postby Dresderstan » Sat Feb 27, 2021 6:54 pm

Greater Cesnica wrote:
Greater Miami Shores wrote:If the undemocratic persecution of President Trump and Proud Republican Trump supporters continues, there will be a revolution in the USA, a coup d'état, and President Trump will be President again. But I will not participate in any acts of violence.

GMS.

We don't want a statist revolution. We don't want an authoritarian strongman as leader. You do, for whatever reason you've concocted in your head.

Just stop debating with him, there's no point in arguing with someone like him. And that goes for everyone else, there is no point debating with GMS.

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Postby Greater Miami Shores » Sat Feb 27, 2021 7:02 pm

Drew Durrnil wrote:
Greater Miami Shores wrote:If the undemocratic persecution and hate of President Trump and Proud Republican Trump supporters continues, there will be a revolution in the USA, a coup d'état, and President Trump will be President again. But I will not participate in any acts of violence.

GMS.

uno reverse is true

Everything works vice versa.

I love how these persons who have me on ignore and tell others to put me on ignore, keep proving my point, the only problem they have with me, is my Pro Trump Posts, but they will never admit it, I have proven it many times, they dont have any problems with on Cuba, the Castro's or any issues.

ok, many persons have a little bit of a problem with me on Cuba and the Castro's, :) lol.

I am not supposed to agree with any persons I strongly disagree with on President Trump, Cuba or any issues. You guys are not supposed to agree with any persons who strongly disagree with you on any issues and you don't.

But many or certain persons call me a stonewall to talk to, :) lol.

We Proud Republican Trump supporters, Pro USA, USA, USA American Patriot Citizens of The USA, are not supposed to agree with any persons who strongly disagree with us on President Trump and any issues.

Thank You.

GMS.
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I once tried to K Me. Posted It and Reported. Locked by Mods. I am Autistic accounts for Repetitive Nature. I am Very Civil and Respectful to all on NS and off NS. My Opinions Are Not Bad Opinions No Ones Opinions Are Bad Opinons. We are on NS, to share, discuss, argue, disagree, on Trump, elections, Republicans, Democrats, Socialists, Libertarians and whatevers, with respect. This Respect Is Given It Is Not Earned, This Respect Is Called Freedom of Expression and Democracy. This Man Always Says What He Means, I Am The Real Thing. I Make Ted Cruz look like a Leftist. I have been on NS For over 10 Years with a Perfect Record of No Baiting, Trolling, Flaming, or Using Foul Language. I Am Very Proud of It and Wish To Keep My Record Clean. But I Am Not The Only One On NS. GMS. I'm Based.

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