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Postby Greater Miami Shores » Sat Feb 27, 2021 6:16 pm

Greater Cesnica wrote:
Kowani wrote:we quite literally do not have time for that

Indeed. Action is needed now. The legalist tyranny that holds us in bondage will only grow tighter and tighter, the corporate oligarchs and the State will only become more and more oppressive. They rely on the people being submissive to their destructive, depraved course of action. It does not matter whether you're on the left or the right anymore- we're in this together, for the most part.

I saw the other posters chatting with you, I think we are finally starting to agree with each other.
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Postby Greater Cesnica » Sat Feb 27, 2021 6:17 pm

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Dresderstan wrote:It's why I feel becoming more and more Stalinist every passing day.

Please don't become a tankie.

I second this. I have no problem with socialists or communists, insofar as they reject authoritarianism. ML ideology merely substitutes one oppressive hierarchy for another, just as Anarcho-Capitalism substitutes one oppressive hierarchy for another.
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Postby Greater Cesnica » Sat Feb 27, 2021 6:19 pm

Greater Miami Shores wrote:
Greater Cesnica wrote:Indeed. Action is needed now. The legalist tyranny that holds us in bondage will only grow tighter and tighter, the corporate oligarchs and the State will only become more and more oppressive. They rely on the people being submissive to their destructive, depraved course of action. It does not matter whether you're on the left or the right anymore- we're in this together, for the most part.

I saw the other posters chatting with you, I think we are finally starting to agree with each other.

I don't think so. You idolize Trump, who was a tyrant and is a reactionary thinker.
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San Lumen wrote:You are ridiculous.
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Postby Kowani » Sat Feb 27, 2021 6:20 pm

Sundiata wrote:
Kowani wrote:we quite literally do not have time for that

Then let it fall peacefully and resist the urge to violence.

that is also impossible
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Postby Dresderstan » Sat Feb 27, 2021 6:20 pm

Greater Cesnica wrote:
Dresderstan wrote:It's why I feel becoming more and more Stalinist every passing day.

Ah, see you're going in the wrong direction. Stalin was an authoritarian despot. If you're left leaning, don't fall for the ML ideology.

I wouldn't call myself left leaning per say, but very much a revolutionary who wants action done, and frankly if a purge against the establishment is needed, then so be it.

Greater Cesnica wrote:
Sundiata wrote:Then let it fall peacefully and resist the urge to violence.

"Fall peacefully"

An oxymoron.

Only peace is when the establishment and corrupt crony capitalist politicians, all of them of all shapes and sizes are gone from power.

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Postby Major-Tom » Sat Feb 27, 2021 6:20 pm

Greater Cesnica wrote:
Greater Miami Shores wrote:I saw the other posters chatting with you, I think we are finally starting to agree with each other.

I don't think so. You idolize Trump, who was a tyrant and is a reactionary thinker.


I see him as more of a Ralph Nader or Jill Stein kind of stan.

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Postby Greater Cesnica » Sat Feb 27, 2021 6:23 pm

Dresderstan wrote:
Greater Cesnica wrote:Ah, see you're going in the wrong direction. Stalin was an authoritarian despot. If you're left leaning, don't fall for the ML ideology.

I wouldn't call myself left leaning per say, but very much a revolutionary who wants action done, and frankly if a purge against the establishment is needed, then so be it.

Ah, gotcha. I just want to ensure that we're on the same page here. Stalin committed a genocide against peasants. The purges were the most minor of his atrocities. Perhaps use another term :p

Other than that, I generally agree with you. Hard action is required, only force will remove the Establishment from power.
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San Lumen wrote:You are ridiculous.
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Postby Kowani » Sat Feb 27, 2021 6:23 pm

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Postby Greater Cesnica » Sat Feb 27, 2021 6:23 pm

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San Lumen wrote:You are ridiculous.
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Postby Greater Cesnica » Sat Feb 27, 2021 6:24 pm

Major-Tom wrote:
Greater Cesnica wrote:I don't think so. You idolize Trump, who was a tyrant and is a reactionary thinker.


I see him as more of a Ralph Nader or Jill Stein kind of stan.

Stein? When was this?
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San Lumen wrote:You are ridiculous.
George Orwell wrote:“That rifle on the wall of the labourer's cottage or working class flat is the symbol of democracy. It is our job to see that it stays there.”

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Postby Sundiata » Sat Feb 27, 2021 6:24 pm

Dresderstan wrote:
Greater Cesnica wrote:It's stable alright... For the establishment. Not for the collective People, certainly not for the dissidents. After all, there are two systems for two types of people. We get the short end of that stick.

It's why I feel becoming more and more Stalinist every passing day.

Joseph Stalin was a tyrant who was personally abusive towards his wife and his own children. His behavior and Ideological example overall is a poor example in our history.
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Postby The powerful lands of America » Sat Feb 27, 2021 6:25 pm

Greater Miami Shores wrote:
Blakk Metal wrote:That checklist was made up to bash George Bush, please try harder.

Now do Biden.

Yes, they need to try harder, I mean I strongly disagree because we are us and we know how we are.

biden won trump lost fair and square

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Postby Dresderstan » Sat Feb 27, 2021 6:25 pm


*by 2024

How about by April 20th instead of having us wait THREE FUCKING YEARS!

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Postby Greater Cesnica » Sat Feb 27, 2021 6:25 pm

Sundiata wrote:
Dresderstan wrote:It's why I feel becoming more and more Stalinist every passing day.

Joseph Stalin was a tyrant who was personally abusive towards his wife and his own children. His behavior and Ideology overall is a poor example in our history.

Indeed. Though, I believe Dres was just referring to the revolutionary backlash and violence against the Establishment that distinguished early Stalinism.
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San Lumen wrote:You are ridiculous.
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Postby Greater Cesnica » Sat Feb 27, 2021 6:26 pm

Dresderstan wrote:

*by 2024

How about by April 20th instead of having us wait THREE FUCKING YEARS!

That's government for you. This is why I despise it. It's bureaucratic, a byzantine mess.
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San Lumen wrote:You are ridiculous.
George Orwell wrote:“That rifle on the wall of the labourer's cottage or working class flat is the symbol of democracy. It is our job to see that it stays there.”

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Postby Sundiata » Sat Feb 27, 2021 6:26 pm

Kowani wrote:
Sundiata wrote:Then let it fall peacefully and resist the urge to violence.

that is also impossible

It's possible not to react to injustice with violence.
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Postby Greater Miami Shores » Sat Feb 27, 2021 6:27 pm

Greater Cesnica wrote:
Greater Miami Shores wrote:I saw the other posters chatting with you, I think we are finally starting to agree with each other.

I don't think so. You idolize Trump, who was a tyrant and is a reactionary thinker.

1 - Cant any of you understand, there are millions of us Proud Republican Trump supporters, American citizens of the USA, because we strongly agree with President Trump and the Republicans on most issues?

2 - We are not committing any acts of violence in the USA?

3 - I and we are not terrorists, fascists and Nazis?

4 - We are not going to put any persons in a concentration camp like in Nazi Germany under Adolph Hitler and do what they did?

5 - If we are it would be happening right now?

I am not offended in any way, shape or form.

I give up.

Alberto - GMS.

Republican President Donald J Trump of The USA, for emphasis.
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Postby The powerful lands of America » Sat Feb 27, 2021 6:28 pm

Dresderstan wrote:

*by 2024

How about by April 20th instead of having us wait THREE FUCKING YEARS!

beeat it,thatd democracy and Trump will be banned by then

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Postby Dresderstan » Sat Feb 27, 2021 6:28 pm

Greater Cesnica wrote:
Dresderstan wrote:*by 2024

How about by April 20th instead of having us wait THREE FUCKING YEARS!

That's government for you. This is why I despise it. It's bureaucratic, a byzantine mess.

The red tape needs to be cut, as do our binds that hold us as slaves against a corrupt tyrannical and dying government.

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Postby Dresderstan » Sat Feb 27, 2021 6:29 pm

Sundiata wrote:
Kowani wrote:that is also impossible

It's possible not to react to injustice with violence.

Tell that to those in the riots last year.

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Postby The powerful lands of America » Sat Feb 27, 2021 6:31 pm

Dresderstan wrote:
Sundiata wrote:It's possible not to react to injustice with violence.

Tell that to those in the riots last year.

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Postby Greater Cesnica » Sat Feb 27, 2021 6:32 pm

Sundiata wrote:
Kowani wrote:that is also impossible

It's possible not to react to injustice with violence.

Sure, on paper. In practice, we have been stretched to a breaking point where force is the only viable solution.
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Postby Greater Cesnica » Sat Feb 27, 2021 6:33 pm

Dresderstan wrote:
Greater Cesnica wrote:That's government for you. This is why I despise it. It's bureaucratic, a byzantine mess.

The red tape needs to be cut, as do our binds that hold us as slaves against a corrupt tyrannical and dying government.

Luckily for us, there is a common solution to both problems ;)
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San Lumen wrote:You are ridiculous.
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Postby Sundiata » Sat Feb 27, 2021 6:33 pm

Dresderstan wrote:
Sundiata wrote:It's possible not to react to injustice with violence.

Tell that to those in the riots last year.

I say that to everyone, it's better to react with peace.
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Postby Alcala-Cordel » Sat Feb 27, 2021 6:33 pm

Greater Cesnica wrote:
Sundiata wrote:It's possible not to react to injustice with violence.

Sure, on paper. In practice, we have been stretched to a breaking point where force is the only viable solution.

"No justice, no peace"
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