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Postby Sundiata » Sat Feb 27, 2021 5:58 pm

Dresderstan wrote:
Sundiata wrote:No? We can get results peacefully.

No we can't, not when they're all in the hands of big corporations and only wish to serve them and themselves and fuck over everyone else by feeding them false hopes and promises.

It might take a long time to do things peacefully but we'll have a more stable system afterwards if we do.
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Postby Greater Cesnica » Sat Feb 27, 2021 5:59 pm

Sundiata wrote:
Dresderstan wrote:It's why they need to be ousted by force.

No? We can get results peacefully.

We've tried peace for decades.
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Postby Dresderstan » Sat Feb 27, 2021 6:01 pm

Sundiata wrote:
Dresderstan wrote:No we can't, not when they're all in the hands of big corporations and only wish to serve them and themselves and fuck over everyone else by feeding them false hopes and promises.

It might take a long time to do things peacefully but we'll have a more stable system afterwards if we do.

No, we don't have a long time to get things right, it needs to be done quickly and shortly.

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Postby Kowani » Sat Feb 27, 2021 6:03 pm

Sundiata wrote:
Dresderstan wrote:No we can't, not when they're all in the hands of big corporations and only wish to serve them and themselves and fuck over everyone else by feeding them false hopes and promises.

It might take a long time to do things peacefully but we'll have a more stable system afterwards if we do.

we quite literally do not have time for that
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Postby Dresderstan » Sat Feb 27, 2021 6:04 pm

Greater Cesnica wrote:
Sundiata wrote:No? We can get results peacefully.

We've tried peace for decades.

People like Sun and Lumen think "peace" "stability" "compromise" "reform" will get things done, it won't especially if it takes years if not decades to realize any substantial difference being made by cookie cutter, generic reforms that do nothing.

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Postby Kowani » Sat Feb 27, 2021 6:05 pm

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Postby Loeje » Sat Feb 27, 2021 6:05 pm

Sundiata wrote:
Dresderstan wrote:No we can't, not when they're all in the hands of big corporations and only wish to serve them and themselves and fuck over everyone else by feeding them false hopes and promises.

It might take a long time to do things peacefully but we'll have a more stable system afterwards if we do.

The system right now doesn't seem especially stable to me.
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Postby Greater Cesnica » Sat Feb 27, 2021 6:07 pm

Kowani wrote:
Sundiata wrote:It might take a long time to do things peacefully but we'll have a more stable system afterwards if we do.

we quite literally do not have time for that

Indeed. Action is needed now. The legalist tyranny that holds us in bondage will only grow tighter and tighter, the corporate oligarchs and the State will only become more and more oppressive. They rely on the people being submissive to their destructive, depraved course of action. It does not matter whether you're on the left or the right anymore- we're in this together, for the most part.
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San Lumen wrote:You are ridiculous.
George Orwell wrote:“That rifle on the wall of the labourer's cottage or working class flat is the symbol of democracy. It is our job to see that it stays there.”

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Postby Atheris » Sat Feb 27, 2021 6:07 pm

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Postby Greater Cesnica » Sat Feb 27, 2021 6:08 pm

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San Lumen wrote:You are ridiculous.
George Orwell wrote:“That rifle on the wall of the labourer's cottage or working class flat is the symbol of democracy. It is our job to see that it stays there.”

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Postby Dresderstan » Sat Feb 27, 2021 6:08 pm

Greater Cesnica wrote:
Kowani wrote:we quite literally do not have time for that

Indeed. Action is needed now. The legalist tyranny that holds us in bondage will only grow tighter and tighter, the corporate oligarchs and the State will only become more and more oppressive. They rely on the people being submissive to their destructive, depraved course of action. It does not matter whether you're on the left or the right anymore- we're in this together, for the most part.

And they need to be taken down through action and force by any means necessary.

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Postby Diahon » Sat Feb 27, 2021 6:10 pm



when you got enough cash to kidnap people but not enough to let them stay till they can pay what they're due

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Postby Greater Cesnica » Sat Feb 27, 2021 6:10 pm

Loeje wrote:
Sundiata wrote:It might take a long time to do things peacefully but we'll have a more stable system afterwards if we do.

The system right now doesn't seem especially stable to me.

It's stable alright... For the establishment. Not for the collective People, certainly not for the dissidents. After all, there are two systems for two types of people. We get the short end of that stick.
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San Lumen wrote:You are ridiculous.
George Orwell wrote:“That rifle on the wall of the labourer's cottage or working class flat is the symbol of democracy. It is our job to see that it stays there.”

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Postby Kowani » Sat Feb 27, 2021 6:12 pm


A New York landlord is out on bail after being arrested and accused of kidnapping tenants from his property and dumping them in a cemetery 30 miles away.

The two tenants accused landlord Shawn Douglas of kidnapping them while armed from their home at his property in the South End neighborhood of Albany.

In the police report, the two accusers say they were abducted, restrained with zip ties and covered with pillowcases. They then claim Douglas dumped them off in a rural cemetery in the town of Ghent.
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Postby Greater Cesnica » Sat Feb 27, 2021 6:13 pm

Dresderstan wrote:
Greater Cesnica wrote:Indeed. Action is needed now. The legalist tyranny that holds us in bondage will only grow tighter and tighter, the corporate oligarchs and the State will only become more and more oppressive. They rely on the people being submissive to their destructive, depraved course of action. It does not matter whether you're on the left or the right anymore- we're in this together, for the most part.

And they need to be taken down through action and force by any means necessary.

If this offends anyone's sensibilities, just remember that it doesn't offend the Establishment's. They couldn't give a fuck if you starve to death, freeze to death, if you get robbed, raped, or murdered. They desire a divided people constantly feeling threatened by each other and at the mercy of this twisted authoritarian economic order.
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San Lumen wrote:You are ridiculous.
George Orwell wrote:“That rifle on the wall of the labourer's cottage or working class flat is the symbol of democracy. It is our job to see that it stays there.”

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Postby Dresderstan » Sat Feb 27, 2021 6:13 pm

Greater Cesnica wrote:
Loeje wrote:The system right now doesn't seem especially stable to me.

It's stable alright... For the establishment. Not for the collective People, certainly not for the dissidents. After all, there are two systems for two types of people. We get the short end of that stick.

It's why I feel becoming more and more Stalinist every passing day.

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Postby Greater Miami Shores » Sat Feb 27, 2021 6:13 pm

Blakk Metal wrote:
Borderlands of Rojava wrote:
Trumpism is a fascist movement. It literally checks out all the necessary requirements to be considered fascism.

https://www.thenewstribune.com/opinion/ ... 51844.html

That checklist was made up to bash George Bush, please try harder.

Now do Biden.

Yes, they need to try harder, I mean I strongly disagree because we are us and we know how we are.
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Postby Greater Cesnica » Sat Feb 27, 2021 6:14 pm

Dresderstan wrote:
Greater Cesnica wrote:It's stable alright... For the establishment. Not for the collective People, certainly not for the dissidents. After all, there are two systems for two types of people. We get the short end of that stick.

It's why I feel becoming more and more Stalinist every passing day.

Ah, see you're going in the wrong direction. Stalin was an authoritarian despot. If you're left leaning, don't fall for the ML ideology.
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San Lumen wrote:You are ridiculous.
George Orwell wrote:“That rifle on the wall of the labourer's cottage or working class flat is the symbol of democracy. It is our job to see that it stays there.”

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Postby Loeje » Sat Feb 27, 2021 6:15 pm

Greater Cesnica wrote:
Loeje wrote:The system right now doesn't seem especially stable to me.

It's stable alright... For the establishment. Not for the collective People, certainly not for the dissidents. After all, there are two systems for two types of people. We get the short end of that stick.

It's not stable if it's not stable for everyone.
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Postby National Capitalist United States » Sat Feb 27, 2021 6:15 pm

Dresderstan wrote:
Greater Cesnica wrote:It's stable alright... For the establishment. Not for the collective People, certainly not for the dissidents. After all, there are two systems for two types of people. We get the short end of that stick.

It's why I feel becoming more and more Stalinist every passing day.

Please don't become a tankie.
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Postby Sundiata » Sat Feb 27, 2021 6:15 pm

Kowani wrote:
Sundiata wrote:It might take a long time to do things peacefully but we'll have a more stable system afterwards if we do.

we quite literally do not have time for that

Then let it fall peacefully and resist the urge to violence.
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Greater Cesnica
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Postby Greater Cesnica » Sat Feb 27, 2021 6:16 pm

Loeje wrote:
Greater Cesnica wrote:It's stable alright... For the establishment. Not for the collective People, certainly not for the dissidents. After all, there are two systems for two types of people. We get the short end of that stick.

It's not stable if it's not stable for everyone.

The elite and the state operate with a different set of rules from the rules that everyone else has to play by.
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San Lumen wrote:You are ridiculous.
George Orwell wrote:“That rifle on the wall of the labourer's cottage or working class flat is the symbol of democracy. It is our job to see that it stays there.”

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Greater Cesnica
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Postby Greater Cesnica » Sat Feb 27, 2021 6:16 pm

Sundiata wrote:
Kowani wrote:we quite literally do not have time for that

Then let it fall peacefully and resist the urge to violence.

"Fall peacefully"

An oxymoron.
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