American Politics IV: 1400 Reasons Why(A Stimulus Serial)

[Kannap]

People here trying to say we should compromise for a $10 minimum wage?

lol the minimum wage should be $25, the compromise is $15.

[Umeria]

No they're not, they're doing no skill jobs that could be replaced in an instant.

Not if they unionize

[Esalia]

They did when they were born.

No they didn't. Someone with no skills isn't worth 15 an hour. Nobody is owed, or entitled to anything.

If nobody's entitled to anything, what's stopping us from giving people barely getting by a living wage?

After all, the company is not entitled to the money they earn in profits, so they're not entitled to keep the money they'd save by paying people the bare minimum they can legally get away with.

Unless people are in fact entitled to things, in which case lets add a living wage to those things.

[Greater Miami Shores]

It depends on the costs and expenses of businesses and the ability of the businesses to sell the products at a reasonable price, as all private businesses all over the world do.

I am disappointed that you have not given me any credit for my post above, which goes deeper than I have explained with my bad English.

You know you don't need to go 'good post' every time someone makes a good post, right?
I appreciate that you think humans should do jobs over machines, but I'm curious if you think that those humans deserve to be paid enough to live on or if you think like Fore and that people who do those jobs are doing menial tasks and for some reason don't deserve as much.

Yes, I actually do think so, that those humans and all humans deserve to be paid enough to live on. The only way that I would increase the minimum wage would be indexed to expenses and costs, again I think I am not explaining it right due to my bad English. I think you did not understand this post the way I explained it.

I don't believe in price controls, but I believe in indexing with at least a 10 % or 15 % Percent in favor of persons wages over expenses. So they can spend and save at the same time.

Thank you for your nice comments about me.

[Istoreya]

You know your take is a bad one when everyone including GMS disagrees with you lol.

[Kannap]

Also, today marks another milestone; The first air strike of the Biden presidency, in Syria

The war drums are a-beating, guess all those promises of bringing the troops home we've been hearing from Obama and Biden and Dems for years have been for naught.

Also, didn't Biden literally call out Trump for this same exact thing: military actions that'll antagonize Iran and lead to war? I seem to remember Biden - and other Dems - calling out Trump for this exact same thing. I guess it's only okay when Dems do it.

Anyway, we got time to bomb other countries but not to get $2000 checks out to the American public?

[Borderlands of Rojava]

Since no one is owed anything allegedly, I'll take that one step farther and say no one is owed their property. That means in the hypothetical survivalist world where minimum wage doesn't exist, it is perfectly moral for someone to go robinhood and start robbing the rich, since people aren't even owed life let alone their property.

So anyone still wanna live in that world or does guaranteeing people survive sound way better?

[Fartsniffage]

[Greater Miami Shores]

You know your take is a bad one when everyone including GMS disagrees with you lol.

lol, I am having a lol attack on your nice comments about me,

[Borderlands of Rojava]

You know your take is a bad one when everyone including GMS disagrees with you lol.

lol, I am having a lol attack on your nice comments about me,

One thing you trumpsters do agree with us leftwingers on is it can't be every man for himself. Government should help those in need, not throw them completely under the bus.

[The Republic of Fore]

No they didn't. Someone with no skills isn't worth 15 an hour. Nobody is owed, or entitled to anything.

Yes, they are. Human beings are entitled to a paying job, a living wage, affordable healthcare, the right to due process, and many other things that make a society free and fair for everyone.

I'm sorry to hear you have a callous disregard for people. I do not, cannot, and will not condemn anyone to a life of poverty and suffering because they aren't "skilled" enough; whatever the fuck that's even supposed to mean.

Then you can donate your money to charity. Your morals don't dictate my finances. There's no law that says you're entitled to any of those.

[The Republic of Fore]

Since no one is owed anything allegedly, I'll take that one step farther and say no one is owed their property. That means in the hypothetical survivalist world where minimum wage doesn't exist, it is perfectly moral for someone to go robinhood and start robbing the rich, since people aren't even owed life let alone their property.

So anyone still wanna live in that world or does guaranteeing people survive sound way better?

Enjoy getting shot then. Or we could just live in reality and people who want to earn more can make themselves worth more.

[Esalia]

Yes, they are. Human beings are entitled to a paying job, a living wage, affordable healthcare, the right to due process, and many other things that make a society free and fair for everyone.

I'm sorry to hear you have a callous disregard for people. I do not, cannot, and will not condemn anyone to a life of poverty and suffering because they aren't "skilled" enough; whatever the fuck that's even supposed to mean.

Then you can donate your money to charity. Your morals don't dictate my finances. There's no law that says you're entitled to any of those.

Then let's pass such a law.

[Kannap]

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Beyond that, minimum wage isn't enough to afford rent for a one bedroom apartment in 95% of U.S. counties.

For those who don't know: For both this stat, and the map Fartsniffage posted, "affordable" is defined as costing less than 30% of one's monthly income. And here's a map of what minimum wages would be to be in every state - as of 2020 - for that to happen:

[The Republic of Fore]

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So get a one bedroom or a roommate. Boo hoo, you have to be an adult and budget properly.

[Istoreya]

Yes, they are. Human beings are entitled to a paying job, a living wage, affordable healthcare, the right to due process, and many other things that make a society free and fair for everyone.

I'm sorry to hear you have a callous disregard for people. I do not, cannot, and will not condemn anyone to a life of poverty and suffering because they aren't "skilled" enough; whatever the fuck that's even supposed to mean.

Then you can donate your money to charity. Your morals don't dictate my finances. There's no law that says you're entitled to any of those.

What does YOUR money have to do with any of this? Unless you're a stingy business owner.

[The Republic of Fore]

Then you can donate your money to charity. Your morals don't dictate my finances. There's no law that says you're entitled to any of those.

Then let's pass such a law.

Or you can donate your own money and keep your greedy hands out of others pockets.

[Esalia]

Since no one is owed anything allegedly, I'll take that one step farther and say no one is owed their property. That means in the hypothetical survivalist world where minimum wage doesn't exist, it is perfectly moral for someone to go robinhood and start robbing the rich, since people aren't even owed life let alone their property.

So anyone still wanna live in that world or does guaranteeing people survive sound way better?

Enjoy getting shot then. Or we could just live in reality and people who want to earn more can make themselves worth more.

We are living in reality.

Reality says that there's a whole bunch of people barely getting by, and unless "barely getting by" suddenly means "has the time and money to go to college or something to get themselves a higher education" people barely getting by can't magically snap their fingers and stop barely getting by.

[Trollzyn the Infinite]

Yes, they are. Human beings are entitled to a paying job, a living wage, affordable healthcare, the right to due process, and many other things that make a society free and fair for everyone.

I'm sorry to hear you have a callous disregard for people. I do not, cannot, and will not condemn anyone to a life of poverty and suffering because they aren't "skilled" enough; whatever the fuck that's even supposed to mean.

Then you can donate your money to charity. Your morals don't dictate my finances. There's no law that says you're entitled to any of those.

And you can donate your heart and soul since you're clearly not using either.

There is no law saying I'm entitled to any of those, but there should be. A society that cannot empathize with it's members is a society that cannot function. Selfishness did not create civilization, and it certainly doesn't see it flourish. Come back to me when you learn to give a shit, until then I have no reason to consider your opinion on anything in the future. Blocked.

[Kannap]

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So get a one bedroom or a roommate. Boo hoo, you have to be an adult and budget properly.

Spare us all this nonsense, just say you hate poor people, and go on.

[Fartsniffage]

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So get a one bedroom or a roommate. Boo hoo, you have to be an adult and budget properly.

I own my own house. I can still care about others. Why can't you?

[Esalia]

Then let's pass such a law.

Or you can donate your own money and keep your greedy hands out of others pockets.

Or I could take your money.

I think I prefer taking your money. Boo hoo for you, I guess.

[Shrillland]

Since no one is owed anything allegedly, I'll take that one step farther and say no one is owed their property. That means in the hypothetical survivalist world where minimum wage doesn't exist, it is perfectly moral for someone to go robinhood and start robbing the rich, since people aren't even owed life let alone their property.

So anyone still wanna live in that world or does guaranteeing people survive sound way better?

Enjoy getting shot then. Or we could just live in reality and people who want to earn more can make themselves worth more.

And what if they can't make themselves worth more? Not don't want to, genuinely can't do so such as those with disabilities?

[The Republic of Fore]

Then you can donate your money to charity. Your morals don't dictate my finances. There's no law that says you're entitled to any of those.

What does YOUR money have to do with any of this? Unless you're a stingy business owner.

Affordable healthcare usually mean universal, which requires higher taxes. And higher wages means higher prices. I'm not paying double the cost of a dinner out just so someone with no ambition to be anything better than a fry cook can be taken care of.

[Shrillland]

What does YOUR money have to do with any of this? Unless you're a stingy business owner.

Affordable healthcare usually mean universal, which requires higher taxes. And higher wages means higher prices. I'm not paying double the cost of a dinner out just so someone with no ambition to be anything better than a fry cook can be taken care of.

All right. How about using MMT to pay it?