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Necroghastia
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Postby Necroghastia » Thu Feb 25, 2021 8:12 pm


He's a sycophantic bitch who will say and do whatever he feels like will allow him to hold on to the most power.
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Postby Bienenhalde » Thu Feb 25, 2021 8:13 pm

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No they were not. Slavery is morally wrong.


As is evicting families onto the freezing cold streets. Fuck the court's order, and tell the landlords to piss off.


Why doesn't someone just bring them to a homeless shelter?

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Postby Omniabstracta » Thu Feb 25, 2021 8:13 pm


Party over country is the name of the game, didn’t you know?
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Postby Shu Chengdu » Thu Feb 25, 2021 8:13 pm

The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:
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What the hell?



He has either lost his mind or just wants to get back in Trump's good books...for some reason.


I would say number two. Besides, he doesn’t want to be given to the sacrificial alter like Pence was. He saw how much he pissed off the MAGA mob and now he wants to backtrack.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Thu Feb 25, 2021 8:14 pm

Bienenhalde wrote:
Borderlands of Rojava wrote:
As is evicting families onto the freezing cold streets. Fuck the court's order, and tell the landlords to piss off.


Why doesn't someone just bring them to a homeless shelter?


There aren't enough of them. This article is a couple months old but it shows just how absolutley fucked the situation is.
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Postby Tyunmen » Thu Feb 25, 2021 8:15 pm

The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:
The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:Someone tell Mitch that voteing to acquit makes everything he is saying pure garbage.


Like you can't say all of this then vote to acquit him.

You either mean he is a traitor or he isn't, you can't have both.



After calling Trump morally responsible for the terrorist attack on Jan 6th, he then turns around and says he would support him if he was the GOP nominee in 2024.

Mitch McConnell: would back The Traitorous Terrorist Trump if he gets GOP nomination.

Mitch McConnell: proud supporter of domestic terrorism to own the libs.

Why Mitch? You made the moderates mad for not voting to convict Trump, and the Trumpists mad for your comments, who ARE you trying to make happy here?

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Postby Shu Chengdu » Thu Feb 25, 2021 8:16 pm

Tyunmen wrote:
The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:

After calling Trump morally responsible for the terrorist attack on Jan 6th, he then turns around and says he would support him if he was the GOP nominee in 2024.

Mitch McConnell: would back The Traitorous Terrorist Trump if he gets GOP nomination.

Mitch McConnell: proud supporter of domestic terrorism to own the libs.

Why Mitch? You made the moderates mad for not voting to convict Trump, and the Trumpists mad for your comments, who ARE you trying to make happy here?


He’s trying to play the role of “centrist nice guy”.
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Postby Kowani » Thu Feb 25, 2021 8:18 pm

Tyunmen wrote:
The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:

After calling Trump morally responsible for the terrorist attack on Jan 6th, he then turns around and says he would support him if he was the GOP nominee in 2024.

Mitch McConnell: would back The Traitorous Terrorist Trump if he gets GOP nomination.

Mitch McConnell: proud supporter of domestic terrorism to own the libs.

Why Mitch? You made the moderates mad for not voting to convict Trump, and the Trumpists mad for your comments, who ARE you trying to make happy here?

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Postby Tyunmen » Thu Feb 25, 2021 8:20 pm

Kowani wrote:
Tyunmen wrote:Why Mitch? You made the moderates mad for not voting to convict Trump, and the Trumpists mad for your comments, who ARE you trying to make happy here?

https://www.opensecrets.org/members-of- ... cycle=2020

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Postby Bienenhalde » Thu Feb 25, 2021 8:20 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Bienenhalde wrote:
Why doesn't someone just bring them to a homeless shelter?


There aren't enough of them. This article is a couple months old but it shows just how absolutley fucked the situation is.


Yeah, well I don't see the point of advocating violence or destroying the constitution in favor of mob rule when we could just build more homeless shelters or expand the ones we already have.

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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Thu Feb 25, 2021 8:22 pm

Bienenhalde wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
There aren't enough of them. This article is a couple months old but it shows just how absolutley fucked the situation is.


Yeah, well I don't see the point of advocating violence or destroying the constitution in favor of mob rule when we could just build more homeless shelters or expand the ones we already have.


You don't have much experience with homeless shelters or homelessness, do you?
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Postby Bienenhalde » Thu Feb 25, 2021 8:24 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Bienenhalde wrote:Yeah, well I don't see the point of advocating violence or destroying the constitution in favor of mob rule when we could just build more homeless shelters or expand the ones we already have.


You don't have much experience with homeless shelters or homelessness, do you?


Maybe not, but I don't think violence or mob rule would be very helpful at making things better.

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Postby Senkaku » Thu Feb 25, 2021 8:25 pm

Bienenhalde wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
There aren't enough of them. This article is a couple months old but it shows just how absolutley fucked the situation is.


Yeah, well I don't see the point of advocating violence or destroying the constitution in favor of mob rule when we could just build more homeless shelters or expand the ones we already have.

You're suggesting we should build homeless shelters for upwards of ten million people between now and when the moratorium runs out/possibly gets struck down/whatever's happening?
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Thu Feb 25, 2021 8:26 pm

Bienenhalde wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
You don't have much experience with homeless shelters or homelessness, do you?


Maybe not, but I don't think violence or mob rule would be very helpful at making things better.


It'd be a whole hell of a lot better than letting millions of people become homeless during a pandemic. Hell, even if there wasn't a pandemic that would still be a better result, because millions of people becoming homeless is a really atrociously bad thing.
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Postby Senkaku » Thu Feb 25, 2021 8:27 pm

Bienenhalde wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
You don't have much experience with homeless shelters or homelessness, do you?


Maybe not, but I don't think violence or mob rule would be very helpful at making things better.

...what exactly do you imagine is going to happen if we just (try to) turn almost 20 million people out of their homes?
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Postby Umeria » Thu Feb 25, 2021 8:34 pm

The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:Mitch McConnell: would back The Traitorous Terrorist Trump if he gets GOP nomination.

Mitch McConnell: proud supporter of domestic terrorism to own the libs.

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Postby Bienenhalde » Thu Feb 25, 2021 8:39 pm

Senkaku wrote:
Bienenhalde wrote:Yeah, well I don't see the point of advocating violence or destroying the constitution in favor of mob rule when we could just build more homeless shelters or expand the ones we already have.

You're suggesting we should build homeless shelters for upwards of ten million people between now and when the moratorium runs out/possibly gets struck down/whatever's happening?


It would be better than having a violent revolution or having to freeze to death or get covid.

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Postby Picairn » Thu Feb 25, 2021 8:39 pm

Bienenhalde wrote:Wouldn't that basically mean tyranny by majority and the Constitution being reduced to a worthless piece of paper? What is the point of a constitution if you cannot enforce it?

Enforce? Plessy, Dred Scott, Kelo, Buck, etc. were definitely not "enforcing the Constitution". Those rulings spit on the Constitution. And a 2/3rds vote is hard, especially in the polarized political climate.
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Postby Bienenhalde » Thu Feb 25, 2021 8:41 pm

Picairn wrote:
Bienenhalde wrote:Wouldn't that basically mean tyranny by majority and the Constitution being reduced to a worthless piece of paper? What is the point of a constitution if you cannot enforce it?

Enforce? Plessy, Dred Scott, Kelo, Buck, etc. were definitely not "enforcing the Constitution". Those rulings spit on the Constitution. And a 2/3rds vote is hard, especially in the polarized political climate.


If you are going to demand a 2/3rds vote, why not just advocate for a full-fledged constitutional amendment?

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Postby Conservative Republic Of Huang » Thu Feb 25, 2021 8:43 pm

Bienenhalde wrote:
Borderlands of Rojava wrote:
As is evicting families onto the freezing cold streets. Fuck the court's order, and tell the landlords to piss off.


Why doesn't someone just bring them to a homeless shelter?

Homeless shelters aren't Mary Poppin's bag, you know.
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Postby Austria-Bohemia-Hungary » Thu Feb 25, 2021 8:43 pm

Bienenhalde wrote:
Picairn wrote:Enforce? Plessy, Dred Scott, Kelo, Buck, etc. were definitely not "enforcing the Constitution". Those rulings spit on the Constitution. And a 2/3rds vote is hard, especially in the polarized political climate.


If you are going to demand a 2/3rds vote, why not just advocate for a full-fledged constitutional amendment?

Because amending the constitution has the additional hurdle of getting at least 3/4th of 50 states to approve it. And when's the last time Texas agreed with the coasts?
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Postby Senkaku » Thu Feb 25, 2021 8:43 pm

Bienenhalde wrote:
Senkaku wrote:You're suggesting we should build homeless shelters for upwards of ten million people between now and when the moratorium runs out/possibly gets struck down/whatever's happening?


It would be better than having a violent revolution or having to freeze to death or get covid.

I guess that'd really just be a much more ambitious version of extending the moratorium, since it'd basically have to be a vast government-led housing construction program across the entire country to get that many units that quickly, and at that point you might as well just build actual apartments and condos and whatnot instead of homeless shelters.

Okay, fine, I'm with you, but I'm not seeing "huge national mobilization for public housing construction" getting through Congress any time soon, so...
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Postby Picairn » Thu Feb 25, 2021 8:44 pm

Bienenhalde wrote:If you are going to demand a 2/3rds vote, why not just advocate for a full-fledged constitutional amendment?

Because of the exceptionally harder 3/4th of the states requirement. A nullification is not the same as making a new Constitutional amendment, it merely returns to the status quo.
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Postby Shu Chengdu » Thu Feb 25, 2021 8:47 pm

Conservative Republic Of Huang wrote:
Bienenhalde wrote:
Why doesn't someone just bring them to a homeless shelter?

Homeless shelters aren't Mary Poppin's bag, you know.


When I first started college I volunteered at one for a couple of weeks. I worked in the cafeteria so I didn’t see a lot of the facility. The meals served were pretty much cafeteria food and some of the people were the nicest I’ve ever met.
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Postby Diahon » Thu Feb 25, 2021 8:50 pm

The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:
The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:Someone tell Mitch that voteing to acquit makes everything he is saying pure garbage.


Like you can't say all of this then vote to acquit him.

You either mean he is a traitor or he isn't, you can't have both.



After calling Trump moraly responsible for the terrorst attack on Jan 6th, he then turns around and says he would support him if he was the GOP nominee in 2024.

Mitch McConnell: would back The Traitorous Terrorist Trump if he gets GOP nomination.

Mitch McConnell: proud supporter of domestic terrorism to own the libs.


this is what happens when you let trump live, americans

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