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Postby Shu Chengdu » Thu Feb 25, 2021 6:47 pm

The Marlborough wrote:
San Lumen wrote:And they will get the police or sheriff to forcibly remove them.

Yeah and the people can use force to prevent that. There are more guns in Texas than police officers.


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Postby Borderlands of Rojava » Thu Feb 25, 2021 6:48 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
^^^

The answer here is really fucking simple lol, landlords can pound sand


and they will get the police to forcibly evict everyone in the building.


Guess it's time for a prole revolt then.
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Postby Punished UMN » Thu Feb 25, 2021 6:48 pm

San Lumen wrote:
The Marlborough wrote:Yeah and the people can use force to prevent that.


And yes just what we need a full on rebellion against the police. That;'s going to go over great and not lead to death and further unrest.

That you're too scrupulous about the rule of law to support the people's struggle against the power of the landlord class isn't any of my concern. If they don't want a rebellion, they shouldn't make the poor suffer.
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Postby Picairn » Thu Feb 25, 2021 6:48 pm

Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:I mean this idea sure as hell beats sleeping on nails for your constitutional rights everytime a partisan president alters the composition of SCOTUS.

Ultimately, I believe the American PEOPLE are the true arbiters of the US constitution, in line with President Lincoln. Since Congress are representative of the people (at least officially), they should have the right to overturn judicial tyranny. Shit rulings like Citizens United v. FEC, Kelo v. New London, Buck v. Bell, etc. need to go.
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Postby National Capitalist United States » Thu Feb 25, 2021 6:48 pm

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Then perhaps a homelessness crisis shouldn't be allowed to happen.

In the US?
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Postby San Lumen » Thu Feb 25, 2021 6:48 pm

Borderlands of Rojava wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
And yes just what we need a full on rebellion against the police. That;'s going to go over great and not lead to death and further unrest.


The police can just not do the bidding of the landlord and there won't be violence.


I doubt that's going to happen.

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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Thu Feb 25, 2021 6:49 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Esalia wrote:
Then perhaps a homelessness crisis shouldn't be allowed to happen.


It shouldn't but it court rules the eviction moratorium unconstitutional what do you suggest happen?


People utilize the second amendment and arm themselves to prevent it.
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San Lumen wrote:
Borderlands of Rojava wrote:
The police can just not do the bidding of the landlord and there won't be violence.


I doubt that's going to happen.


Okay, welp violence it is I guess. That's just whatll end up happening.
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Postby Punished UMN » Thu Feb 25, 2021 6:50 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Esalia wrote:
Then perhaps a homelessness crisis shouldn't be allowed to happen.


It shouldn't but it court rules the eviction moratorium unconstitutional what do you suggest happen?

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Postby Esalia » Thu Feb 25, 2021 6:50 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Esalia wrote:
Then perhaps a homelessness crisis shouldn't be allowed to happen.


It shouldn't but it court rules the eviction moratorium unconstitutional what do you suggest happen?


Ignore the court and not enforce the ruling, or have the government step in and pay the rent in their stead.

There's two.

Or we can, y'know, stop commodifying basic housing and putting people at risk of homelessness because a pandemic swept through and the government seems chronically unwilling to properly help the poorest. Or not declare an eviction moratorium unconstitutional in the middle of a pandemic where people can be pretty strapped for cash.
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Postby San Lumen » Thu Feb 25, 2021 6:50 pm

Punished UMN wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
And yes just what we need a full on rebellion against the police. That;'s going to go over great and not lead to death and further unrest.

That you're too scrupulous about the rule of law to support the people's struggle against the power of the landlord class isn't any of my concern. If they don't want a rebellion, they shouldn't make the poor suffer.


Alright then when their is full on unrest like you've never seen before and people are getting shot or injured by the police left and right you won't be singing the same tune.

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Postby Shu Chengdu » Thu Feb 25, 2021 6:50 pm

Borderlands of Rojava wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
I doubt that's going to happen.


Okay, welp violence it is I guess.


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Postby San Lumen » Thu Feb 25, 2021 6:51 pm

Esalia wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
It shouldn't but it court rules the eviction moratorium unconstitutional what do you suggest happen?


Ignore the court and not enforce the ruling, or have the government step in and pay the rent in their stead.

There's two.

Or we can, y'know, stop commodifying basic housing and putting people at risk of homelessness because a pandemic swept through and the government seems chronically unwilling to properly help the poorest. Or not declare an eviction moratorium unconstitutional in the middle of a pandemic where people can be pretty strapped for cash.

and the CDC will be fined and jailed like Kim Davis was and they would deserve it.
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Postby Punished UMN » Thu Feb 25, 2021 6:51 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Punished UMN wrote:That you're too scrupulous about the rule of law to support the people's struggle against the power of the landlord class isn't any of my concern. If they don't want a rebellion, they shouldn't make the poor suffer.


Alright then when their is full on unrest like you've never seen before and people are getting shot or injured by the police left and right you won't be singing the same tune.

Yes I will, because the people should not cower under the gaze of the police.
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Postby Borderlands of Rojava » Thu Feb 25, 2021 6:51 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Punished UMN wrote:That you're too scrupulous about the rule of law to support the people's struggle against the power of the landlord class isn't any of my concern. If they don't want a rebellion, they shouldn't make the poor suffer.


Alright then when their is full on unrest like you've never seen before and people are getting shot or injured by the police left and right you won't be singing the same tune.


You act like the unrest isn't the fault of the system that created this suffering in the first place.
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Postby Punished UMN » Thu Feb 25, 2021 6:52 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Esalia wrote:
Ignore the court and not enforce the ruling, or have the government step in and pay the rent in their stead.

There's two.

Or we can, y'know, stop commodifying basic housing and putting people at risk of homelessness because a pandemic swept through and the government seems chronically unwilling to properly help the poorest. Or not declare an eviction moratorium unconstitutional in the middle of a pandemic where people can be pretty strapped for cash.

and the CDC will be fined and jailed like Kim Davis was and they would deserve it.

Maybe the court trying to force families out of their homes should be fined and jailed.
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Postby Borderlands of Rojava » Thu Feb 25, 2021 6:52 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Esalia wrote:
Ignore the court and not enforce the ruling, or have the government step in and pay the rent in their stead.

There's two.

Or we can, y'know, stop commodifying basic housing and putting people at risk of homelessness because a pandemic swept through and the government seems chronically unwilling to properly help the poorest. Or not declare an eviction moratorium unconstitutional in the middle of a pandemic where people can be pretty strapped for cash.

and the CDC will be fined and jailed like Kim Davis was and they would deserve it.


Oh don't give me thus legalism garbage. Morality>stupid orders.
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Postby San Lumen » Thu Feb 25, 2021 6:52 pm

Punished UMN wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
Alright then when their is full on unrest like you've never seen before and people are getting shot or injured by the police left and right you won't be singing the same tune.

Yes I will, because the people should not cower under the gaze of the police.


I'll remember those words if the Supreme Court upholds the ruling of the district court.

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Postby Borderlands of Rojava » Thu Feb 25, 2021 6:52 pm

Shu Chengdu wrote:
Borderlands of Rojava wrote:
Okay, welp violence it is I guess.


I'm sadly speechless at this.


Don't be. When you push people in a corner and deprive them of basic necessities, violence happens.
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Postby San Lumen » Thu Feb 25, 2021 6:52 pm

Punished UMN wrote:
San Lumen wrote:and the CDC will be fined and jailed like Kim Davis was and they would deserve it.

Maybe the court trying to force families out of their homes should be fined and jailed.

That's not how it works nor should it.

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Postby Punished UMN » Thu Feb 25, 2021 6:53 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Punished UMN wrote:Yes I will, because the people should not cower under the gaze of the police.


I'll remember those words if the Supreme Court upholds the ruling of the district court.

Don't care about the Supreme Court, I care about the welfare of the people, and if the Supreme Court is an enemy of the welfare of the people, then they are the enemy.
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Postby Picairn » Thu Feb 25, 2021 6:53 pm

San Lumen wrote:Alright then when their is full on unrest like you've never seen before and people are getting shot or injured by the police left and right you won't be singing the same tune.

Unjust system is unjust. Who rules the country: The people, or the government and the corporations?
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Postby Punished UMN » Thu Feb 25, 2021 6:53 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Punished UMN wrote:Maybe the court trying to force families out of their homes should be fined and jailed.

That's not how it works nor should it.

If it's not legal for the people to not be homeless, then the people should make it legal.
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Postby Shu Chengdu » Thu Feb 25, 2021 6:53 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Punished UMN wrote:Maybe the court trying to force families out of their homes should be fined and jailed.

That's not how it works nor should it.


I came in late define "forcing people put of their homes", just so I'm on the right page.
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Postby San Lumen » Thu Feb 25, 2021 6:54 pm

Punished UMN wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
I'll remember those words if the Supreme Court upholds the ruling of the district court.

Don't care about the Supreme Court, I care about the welfare of the people, and if the Supreme Court is an enemy of the welfare of the people, then they are the enemy.


Ok. Anytime a court does something you disagree with defy it. The court was wrong to jail Davis and should have just let her do what she wanted.

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