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Postby Salus Maior » Tue Feb 23, 2021 6:12 pm

Novokria wrote:Dear Americans


Please get your embassy out of Ukraine and take Zelensky and his fellow Multiculturalists with you.


Ok, I'll get right on it.

*pushes button to take embassy out of wherever*
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Postby New haven america » Tue Feb 23, 2021 6:15 pm

Novokria wrote:
New haven america wrote:No. Deal with it.

Take your lost property back now

Considering Ukraine's the 2nd poorest country in Europe, it really needs the Western investment.
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Postby Novokria » Tue Feb 23, 2021 6:15 pm

Salus Maior wrote:
Novokria wrote:Dear Americans


Please get your embassy out of Ukraine and take Zelensky and his fellow Multiculturalists with you.


Ok, I'll get right on it.

*pushes button to take embassy out of wherever*

And you can take your puppet Zelensky back too
America & Russia are two sides of the same poisonous coin

Zelensky is just another puppet of the Satanic American Imperialist Government

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Postby Novokria » Tue Feb 23, 2021 6:16 pm

New haven america wrote:
Novokria wrote:Take your lost property back now

Considering Ukraine's the 2nd poorest country in Europe, it really needs the Western investment.

Its only poor because of western interference
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Zelensky is just another puppet of the Satanic American Imperialist Government

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Postby Farnhamia » Tue Feb 23, 2021 6:16 pm

Novokria wrote:
Salus Maior wrote:
Ok, I'll get right on it.

*pushes button to take embassy out of wherever*

And you can take your puppet Zelensky back too

If you want to discuss American policy regarding Ukraine, do so. Posting peremptory demands is not a discussion. I myself would start a new thread.
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Postby New haven america » Tue Feb 23, 2021 6:18 pm

Novokria wrote:
New haven america wrote:Considering Ukraine's the 2nd poorest country in Europe, it really needs the Western investment.

Its only poor because of western interference

Actually no, it's poor because of lack of West and Central European involvement.
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Postby A-Series-Of-Tubes » Tue Feb 23, 2021 6:25 pm

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Uh, because it's within the power of Pennsylvania to write ludicrous crap into their constitution, which violates the US constitutional rights of US citizens who have the bad fortune to be in the state at the time? And who possibly can't leave again because the state locked them up for said ludicrous reason ..?

At that point, it's a question of interpreting the US Constitution. That's within the remit of SCOTUS.


On the point below, I stand corrected (though even more appalled), but I'm still not clear on this example. A state and US citizen negatively impacted by a state law, can challenge that law in Federal court (even if only by appeal against a state court ruling), but they can't stop the State from passing a similar law by challenging the State constitution?

In what meaningful sense is the US Supreme Court supreme, if it has a blind spot for claims by citizens that their state constitution violates the US one?


A-Series-Of-Tubes wrote:Why do you think the Pennsylvania Supreme Court can make ANY ruling which is not subject to Federal review?

In this case, because of the system of federalism established by the United States Constitution. Federal courts may hear cases concerning state laws if the issue is whether the state law violates the federal Constitution. The question at hand here, however, was not if the law violated the federal Constitution, but if it violated the State constitution.

The Pennsylvania General Assembly made a law. The Pennsylvania Supreme Court interpreted that law. As this was a matter of state law, the judgment of the state supreme court is final and binding in both state and federal courts. SCOTUS has no authority to review the Pennsylvania Supreme Courts interpretation of Pennsylvanian state law. In fact, such a review would be unconstitutional under the US Constitution.


OK. I won't go into the various ways this could go disastrously wrong, because "don't speak of the devil"


A-Series-Of-Tubes wrote:There is no person in the United States, known to government or not, citizen or not, who is not protected by some part of the US Constitution. And state's rights can go fuck a coat of arms.

Don't be silly.


No really, I'm genuinely outraged to discover that the great flaw of Federation applies even to the judiciary.


A-Series-Of-Tubes wrote:EDIT: I'll go further and say that if SCOTUS's reason for refusing certiorari was their own lack of jurisdiction, then they showed a cowardly lack of curiosity about whether PA's constitution is US constitutional. Still, if it was, surely some other state would have standing to challenge it directly.

No, the lack of cert was because the case was moot.


Yeah. Do other states (at least) have standing to challenge a state's constitution?

And given that some states allow citizens by referendum to write directly to their constitution, limiting the power of state legislature if they want, isn't a single state SC an insufficient protection against a populist coup?
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Postby A-Series-Of-Tubes » Tue Feb 23, 2021 6:31 pm

New haven america wrote:
Novokria wrote:Its only poor because of western interference

Actually no, it's poor because of lack of West and Central European involvement.


Involvement/Interference is a distinction dependent on whether foreign investment is a good thing or a bad thing. But of course it is both: good for the economy, bad for national sovereignty.
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Postby New haven america » Tue Feb 23, 2021 6:35 pm

A-Series-Of-Tubes wrote:
New haven america wrote:Actually no, it's poor because of lack of West and Central European involvement.


Involvement/Interference is a distinction dependent on whether foreign investment is a good thing or a bad thing. But of course it is both: good for the economy, bad for national sovereignty.

The idea of the Nation State is overrated at best.
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Postby Kowani » Tue Feb 23, 2021 6:40 pm

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Postby Genivaria » Tue Feb 23, 2021 6:46 pm

Novokria wrote:Dear Americans


Please get your embassy out of Ukraine and take Zelensky and his fellow Multiculturalists with you.

lol no.
Novokria wrote:
New haven america wrote:Considering Ukraine's the 2nd poorest country in Europe, it really needs the Western investment.

Its only poor because of western interference

Ukraine has literally been independent from the Soviet Union/Russia for only 20 years and you think that it's THE WEST that have impoverished Ukraine?
God I wish we were anywhere near as powerful as you think we are.
Oh right and lets not forget that part of its territory was fucking CONQUERED by Russia 7 years ago, I suppose that is the West's fault too?
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Postby Borderlands of Rojava » Tue Feb 23, 2021 6:50 pm

Novokria wrote:Dear Americans


Please get your embassy out of Ukraine and take Zelensky and his fellow Multiculturalists with you.


Multiculturalists? Your country is basically Ukrainian and Russian, and any other minorities aren't that widespread
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Postby The Marlborough » Tue Feb 23, 2021 6:53 pm

Borderlands of Rojava wrote:
Novokria wrote:Dear Americans


Please get your embassy out of Ukraine and take Zelensky and his fellow Multiculturalists with you.


Multiculturalists? Your country is basically Ukrainian and Russian, and any other minorities aren't that widespread

To be fair it will be multicultural in the future because all you have to do is wave a foreign passport around and you'll have at least two Ukrainian women trying to tackle you.
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Postby Borderlands of Rojava » Tue Feb 23, 2021 6:55 pm

The Marlborough wrote:
Borderlands of Rojava wrote:
Multiculturalists? Your country is basically Ukrainian and Russian, and any other minorities aren't that widespread

To be fair it will be multicultural in the future because all you have to do is wave a foreign passport around and you'll have at least two Ukrainian women trying to tackle you.


Aint that how it is everywhere?
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Postby The Marlborough » Tue Feb 23, 2021 6:57 pm

Novokria wrote:Dear Americans


Please get your embassy out of Ukraine and take Zelensky and his fellow Multiculturalists with you.

American, Turkish, and West European sex tourists are probably like 1/4 of your GDP and 1/2 of your fertility rate. If it wasn't for those degenerate bastards Malawi would be sending Ukraine foreign aid. Your country celebrated being able to finally ship watermelons 100 miles up river to Kiev and required US foreign aid to do it.
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Postby Trollzyn the Infinite » Tue Feb 23, 2021 7:46 pm

The Marlborough wrote:
Borderlands of Rojava wrote:
Multiculturalists? Your country is basically Ukrainian and Russian, and any other minorities aren't that widespread

To be fair it will be multicultural in the future because all you have to do is wave a foreign passport around and you'll have at least two Ukrainian women trying to tackle you.


...I should visit Ukraine. Uh, for a friend. Yeah. That's what I meant. Sure. :unsure:
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Postby Borderlands of Rojava » Tue Feb 23, 2021 8:03 pm

Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:
The Marlborough wrote:To be fair it will be multicultural in the future because all you have to do is wave a foreign passport around and you'll have at least two Ukrainian women trying to tackle you.


...I should visit Ukraine. Uh, for a friend. Yeah. That's what I meant. Sure. :unsure:


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Postby A-Series-Of-Tubes » Tue Feb 23, 2021 8:51 pm

The Marlborough wrote:
Novokria wrote:Dear Americans


Please get your embassy out of Ukraine and take Zelensky and his fellow Multiculturalists with you.

American, Turkish, and West European sex tourists are probably like 1/4 of your GDP and 1/2 of your fertility rate. If it wasn't for those degenerate bastards Malawi would be sending Ukraine foreign aid. Your country celebrated being able to finally ship watermelons 100 miles up river to Kiev and required US foreign aid to do it.


I remember that ... which just sharpens the edge of a rather vicious post. If I were Ukrainian I'd be pretty tetchy just now :D
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Postby Kowani » Tue Feb 23, 2021 9:16 pm

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Postby Stellar Colonies » Tue Feb 23, 2021 9:23 pm

The Marlborough wrote:
Borderlands of Rojava wrote:
Multiculturalists? Your country is basically Ukrainian and Russian, and any other minorities aren't that widespread

To be fair it will be multicultural in the future because all you have to do is wave a foreign passport around and you'll have at least two Ukrainian women trying to tackle you.

Now I know what country to avoid...
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Postby San Lumen » Tue Feb 23, 2021 9:40 pm



I feel like this could be its own thread. I'm very torn on this. I get where there are coming from but on the other hand their are many place in the US named for Indian tribes. Should they be renamed too?

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Postby Kowani » Tue Feb 23, 2021 9:42 pm

San Lumen wrote:


I feel like this could be its own thread. I'm very torn on this. I get where there are coming from but on the other hand their are many place in the US named for Indian tribes. Should they be renamed too?

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Postby The Alma Mater » Tue Feb 23, 2021 9:49 pm

San Lumen wrote:


I feel like this could be its own thread. I'm very torn on this. I get where there are coming from but on the other hand their are many place in the US named for Indian tribes. Should they be renamed too?


Hmm. Cities are not commercial products to be bought, sold and advertised as such; so slightly different.
I am also torn on this though.
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