American Politics IV: 1400 Reasons Why(A Stimulus Serial)

[Umeria]

In terms of the relief bill, you can pass it through budget reconciliation with 51 votes. You literally don't have to compromise. Unless, of course, the people who you think are on your side actually aren't.

Congress can only pass 3 recon bills per year, and the Byrd rule restricts them down to addressing the budget spending only. After this package any other non-budgetary reform will need 10 Repub votes.

The pandemic is an urgent enough situation to justify the relief bill being one of those 3 imo.

Give me your solution and what you’d do if you were governor for example.

How was he elected governor? Via a grassroots campaign or with corporate funding? If it's the latter then he has enormous pressure to act in the interest of those corporations instead of the people.

[San Lumen]

Congress can only pass 3 recon bills per year, and the Byrd rule restricts them down to addressing the budget spending only. After this package any other non-budgetary reform will need 10 Repub votes.

The pandemic is an urgent enough situation to justify the relief bill being one of those 3 imo.

Give me your solution and what you’d do if you were governor for example.

How was he elected governor? Via a grassroots campaign or with corporate funding? If it's the latter then he has enormous pressure to act in the interest of those corporations instead of the people.

No they don't. act in the interest of the people and backstab them if this not in the people best interest.

[Sundiata]

I hate to say it but their odds are better, they might even push the Democrats further to the right as time goes on.

How do you come to that conclusion? If they can't make inroads on the coast and the Willamette valley they have no hope of winning the state legislature or statewide office.

Because if the Republicans try to become more like the Democrats then the voters will most likely just vote for the Democrats. By going further to the right, agree of disagree, they'll be giving the people of Oregon something to vote for.

[San Lumen]

How do you come to that conclusion? If they can't make inroads on the coast and the Willamette valley they have no hope of winning the state legislature or statewide office.

Because if the Republicans try to become more like the Democrats then the voters will most likely just vote for the Democrats. By going further to the right, agree of disagree, they'll be giving the people of Oregon something to vote for.

Why would Democrats do that when the most populous area of the state is trending even further their way?

[Picairn]

Congress can only pass 3 recon bills per year, and the Byrd rule restricts them down to addressing the budget spending only. After this package any other non-budgetary reform will need 10 Repub votes.

The pandemic is an urgent enough situation to justify the relief bill being one of those 3 imo.

True but after this our luck is over.

[Umeria]

How was he elected governor? Via a grassroots campaign or with corporate funding? If it's the latter then he has enormous pressure to act in the interest of those corporations instead of the people.

No they don't. act in the interest of the people and backstab them if this not in the people best interest.

Then he won't get that funding next election cycle, meaning he'll be replaced by someone more obedient.

[Sundiata]

Because if the Republicans try to become more like the Democrats then the voters will most likely just vote for the Democrats. By going further to the right, agree of disagree, they'll be giving the people of Oregon something to vote for.

Why would Democrats do that when the most populous area of the state is trending even further their way?

Because their donors can't afford them to move further to the left. Generally speaking, that's not good for the interests of business.

[San Lumen]

No they don't. act in the interest of the people and backstab them if this not in the people best interest.

Then he won't get that funding next election cycle, meaning he'll be replaced by someone more obedient.

There is something called a primary or general and the people can chose to keep that person who backstabbed the corporations.

[Dresderstan]

The pandemic is an urgent enough situation to justify the relief bill being one of those 3 imo.


How was he elected governor? Via a grassroots campaign or with corporate funding? If it's the latter then he has enormous pressure to act in the interest of those corporations instead of the people.

No they don't. act in the interest of the people and backstab them if this not in the people best interest.

Politicians only act in the interest of their bourgeoisie buddies and and lobbyists, not the people.

[San Lumen]

No they don't. act in the interest of the people and backstab them if this not in the people best interest.

Politicians only act in the interest of their bourgeoisie buddies and and lobbyists, not the people.

Are you aware that even causes you support have lobbyists? or should we just get rid of it entirely?

You are generalizing to a ludicrous extent. Do you think politicians fall from the sky from another reality? people chose them in a primary and then elected them in a general election.

[Greater Miami Shores]

The pandemic is an urgent enough situation to justify the relief bill being one of those 3 imo.


How was he elected governor? Via a grassroots campaign or with corporate funding? If it's the latter then he has enormous pressure to act in the interest of those corporations instead of the people.

No they don't. act in the interest of the people and backstab them if this not in the people best interest.

Both Republicans and Democrats don't always act in the interests of the people.

[Umeria]

Then he won't get that funding next election cycle, meaning he'll be replaced by someone more obedient.

There is something called a primary or general and the people can chose to keep that person who backstabbed the corporations.

So you agree that the only politicians who have the people's interests in mind are the ones not taking corporate money?

[Dresderstan]

Politicians only act in the interest of their bourgeoisie buddies and and lobbyists, not the people.

Are you aware that even causes you support have lobbyists? or should we just get rid of it entirely?

You are generalizing to a ludicrous extent. Do you think politicians fall from the sky from another reality? people chose them in a primary and then elected them in a general election.

Yes.

You're just mad that it's true, corruption, lobbying, cronyism, it is the lifeblood of the so called "democratic" system you continue to defend, there go defending the same corrupt politicians you despise.

[San Lumen]

Are you aware that even causes you support have lobbyists? or should we just get rid of it entirely?

You are generalizing to a ludicrous extent. Do you think politicians fall from the sky from another reality? people chose them in a primary and then elected them in a general election.

Yes.

You're just mad that it's true, corruption, lobbying, cronyism, it is the lifeblood of the so called "democratic" system you continue to defend, there go defending the same corrupt politicians you despise.

even environmental, conservation, civil rights and voting rights groups shouldnt have lobbyists?

No it isn't. Is their corruption? Yes I won't deny it but its not everyone. You dont like whose in power chose new people.

[Dresderstan]

Yes.

You're just mad that it's true, corruption, lobbying, cronyism, it is the lifeblood of the so called "democratic" system you continue to defend, there go defending the same corrupt politicians you despise.

even environmental, conservation, civil rights and voting rights groups shouldnt have lobbyists?

No it isn't. Is their corruption? Yes I won't deny it but its not everyone. You dont like whose in power chose new people.

Yes, get action done without the lobbyists or red tape getting in the way of actual progress.

No I want them gone through actual action and force, I want them out the same way we pushed the fucking British out.

[Umeria]

No it isn't. Is their corruption? Yes I won't deny it but its not everyone. You dont like whose in power chose new people.

It sounds like you're in favor of electing politicians who don't take corporate money, aka getting money out of politics. Is that correct?

[San Lumen]

even environmental, conservation, civil rights and voting rights groups shouldnt have lobbyists?

No it isn't. Is their corruption? Yes I won't deny it but its not everyone. You dont like whose in power chose new people.

Yes, get action done without the lobbyists or red tape getting in the way of actual progress.

No I want them gone through actual action and force, I want them out the same way we pushed the fucking British out.

You are aware of the good things groups like the NAACP, ACLU, World Wildlife Fund and NARAL have done correct?

a insurrection then? Is that what your advocating for? Like what happened in DC?

[Dresderstan]

Yes, get action done without the lobbyists or red tape getting in the way of actual progress.

No I want them gone through actual action and force, I want them out the same way we pushed the fucking British out.

You are aware of the good things groups like the NAACP, ACLU, World Wildlife Fund and NARAL have done correct?

a insurrection then? Is that what your advocating for? Like what happened in DC?

And nothing has actually been done, words mean nothing, action does.

Revolution, one of the people for the people by the people.

[Sundiata]

Yes, get action done without the lobbyists or red tape getting in the way of actual progress.

No I want them gone through actual action and force, I want them out the same way we pushed the fucking British out.

You are aware of the good things groups like the NAACP, ACLU, World Wildlife Fund and NARAL have done correct?

a insurrection then? Is that what your advocating for? Like what happened in DC?

You believe that corporations should be allowed to lobby politicians?

[San Lumen]

No it isn't. Is their corruption? Yes I won't deny it but its not everyone. You dont like whose in power chose new people.

It sounds like you're in favor of electing politicians who don't take corporate money, aka getting money out of politics. Is that correct?

Yes.

You are aware of the good things groups like the NAACP, ACLU, World Wildlife Fund and NARAL have done correct?

a insurrection then? Is that what your advocating for? Like what happened in DC?

You believe that corporations should be allowed to lobby politicians?

Groups like the ones I mentioned arent corporations.

[Novokria]

Dear Americans


Please get your embassy out of Ukraine and take Zelensky and his fellow Multiculturalists with you.

[Sundiata]

Groups like the ones I mentioned arent corporations.

So in your book, because non-profit entities lobby politicians corporations should also be allowed to lobby politicians?

Should corporations be allowed to lobby politicians or not? Please give me a straight answer.

[Umeria]

Groups like the ones I mentioned arent corporations.

So in your book, because non-profit entities lobby politicians corporations should also be allowed to lobby politicians?

Should corporations be allowed to lobby politicians or not? Please give me a straight answer.

Well Lumen said yes to getting money out of politics, and prohibiting corporate lobbying is a necessary part of that.

[New haven america]

Dear Americans


Please get your embassy out of Ukraine and take Zelensky and his fellow Multiculturalists with you.

No. Deal with it.

[Novokria]

Dear Americans


Please get your embassy out of Ukraine and take Zelensky and his fellow Multiculturalists with you.

No. Deal with it.

Take your lost property back now