French government denounces American Woke Left

[Celritannia]

But is isn't a major problem or situation.
This whole "wokeness" is pathetic and stupid.

Plenty of people disagree.

On here sure, but is it really a problem except in the minds of those who think it.

[Ostroeuropa]

Plenty of people disagree.

On here sure, but is it really a problem except in the minds of those who think it.

Is racism and sexism a problem except in the minds of those who think it is?

[Nekostan-e Gharbi]

I always like even harsh ethnats compared to woke people since ethnats of all kinds at least do admit that Japan exists.

[Celritannia]

On here sure, but is it really a problem except in the minds of those who think it.

Is racism and sexism a problem except in the minds of those who think it is?

racism and sexism are problems yes, but should we lump them together because "oh look, these woke problems are damaging society", when it clearly isn't? No.

I have never said there are not any problems in society, and people taking things too far, such as SJWs getting upset for another culture for no reason, or if that specific culture does not genuinely care.

But this whole "wokeness is bad" stupidity is making a mountain out of a mole hill.

Every human should be valued equally, as with the cultures (as long as it does not involve harming of other in anyway, including hate speech, which can have mental concerns or lead to suicide, which has happened).
I also do not agree with a know Neo-Nazi wanting to use hate speech to spread conspiracy theories in a place that is supposed to be about connectivity, learning, and facts.

People should be proud of their cultures, whether it be Sioux, French, Japanese, or Nigerian. As long as the cultures are not based in the harming of others, it is fine.

There is also the fact I have nothing in common with a rich white Briton, who will look down at me, and continues to vote Tory to save his financial situation.
Where as I can get along with people in a similar socio-economic situation as I am from other countries.

"Whiteness" is not a culture.
While Black culture exists in America for African-Americans, this is because they have not historical culture to fall back on. They were stripped of it, and lost to the hundred of years of slavery. They had to build a culture from scratch.

So you cannot really compare Black culture, which was created out of necessity, and "white" culture, where there is no defining feature.

[Celritannia]

I always like even harsh ethnats compared to woke people since ethnats of all kinds at least do admit that Japan exists.

Japan is also suffering a birth decline due to strict immigration laws.

[Borderlands of Rojava]

White heritage as a concept is stupid because there is no one white culture. There are multiple cultures in Europe who are often very different from one another, like for example a Frenchman compared to a Russian.

"Black culture" became a thing because slavery destroyed the original cultures of the slaves and mixed them together till the only thing defining them was their skin color. I would argue that African American culture is very different though from most African cultures and anyone trying to claim they're the same has the same issues as white identity types.

[Washington Resistance Army]

White heritage as a concept is stupid because there is no one white culture. There are multiple cultures in Europe who are often very different from one another, like for example a Frenchman compared to a Russian.

"Black culture" became a thing because slavery destroyed the original cultures of the slaves and mixed them together till the only thing defining them was their skin color. I would argue that African American culture is very different though from most African cultures and anyone trying to claim they're the same has the same issues as white identity types.

Even that's not really true because there are distinct groups among the African-American community like the Gullah.

[Borderlands of Rojava]

That's a funny way of saying you have a double standard against white people and no consistent opposition to the thing we're discussing.

Why exactly wouldn't you ask a native american that but continually bring it out against whites?

I actually stand with you here haha. Negating European culture is pretty dangerous. There are aspects of it that do not have analogs in Japan yet such as individualism.

You overestimate individualism in Europe. For example the Slavic countries are not that invidualistic.

[Borderlands of Rojava]

White heritage as a concept is stupid because there is no one white culture. There are multiple cultures in Europe who are often very different from one another, like for example a Frenchman compared to a Russian.

"Black culture" became a thing because slavery destroyed the original cultures of the slaves and mixed them together till the only thing defining them was their skin color. I would argue that African American culture is very different though from most African cultures and anyone trying to claim they're the same has the same issues as white identity types.

Even that's not really true because there are distinct groups among the African-American community like the Gullah.

By African american I mainly mean your average black american, although even then there are differences. Idk if anyone else here has noticed but black folks in different parts of the country don't have the same accent. I often (or used to) travel between Detroit and Oakland California during the summer and the Oakland African American accent is ALOT more southern sounding than Detroit, and the -er sound at the end of words is much harder pronounced than it is here. And if you travel down south to Georgia where my granddad used to live, it's alot more laid back, and the drawl is extremely noticeable. Whereas if you talk to African Americans on the east coast in like New York or Philly, their speech is alot faster paced and has alot of East Coast influence (the word your is pronounced like yuaw for example, and the word talk also has that east coast sound). So even among your average African American there are some differences.

[Ostroeuropa]

White heritage as a concept is stupid because there is no one white culture. There are multiple cultures in Europe who are often very different from one another, like for example a Frenchman compared to a Russian.

"Black culture" became a thing because slavery destroyed the original cultures of the slaves and mixed them together till the only thing defining them was their skin color. I would argue that African American culture is very different though from most African cultures and anyone trying to claim they're the same has the same issues as white identity types.

This also applies to native americans. The key is that they were all targeted by a racist campaign against them.

[Borderlands of Rojava]

White heritage as a concept is stupid because there is no one white culture. There are multiple cultures in Europe who are often very different from one another, like for example a Frenchman compared to a Russian.

"Black culture" became a thing because slavery destroyed the original cultures of the slaves and mixed them together till the only thing defining them was their skin color. I would argue that African American culture is very different though from most African cultures and anyone trying to claim they're the same has the same issues as white identity types.

This also applies to native americans. The key is that they were all targeted by a racist campaign against them.

Tbf most native Americans identify primarily with their tribes and not as one giant monolith. Race as a concept didn't exist in pre Columbian America so you had a much longer history among the indigenous people of ethnic identity than you do of "I'm a proud red man."

[Celritannia]

White heritage as a concept is stupid because there is no one white culture. There are multiple cultures in Europe who are often very different from one another, like for example a Frenchman compared to a Russian.

"Black culture" became a thing because slavery destroyed the original cultures of the slaves and mixed them together till the only thing defining them was their skin color. I would argue that African American culture is very different though from most African cultures and anyone trying to claim they're the same has the same issues as white identity types.

This also applies to native americans. The key is that they were all targeted by a racist campaign against them.

Only to the outsider of these nations.
They were forced into clumps by the American Government on reservations. They could not be bother with understanding, or learning the various nations.

CGP Grey did a fantastic video explaining this.

[Ostroeuropa]

This also applies to native americans. The key is that they were all targeted by a racist campaign against them.

Only to the outsider of these nations.
They were forced into clumps by the American Government on reservations. They could not be bother with understanding, or learning the various nations.

CGP Grey did a fantastic video explaining this.

Right... now, what do you think "White privilege" as a concept and theoretical framework does?

[Insaanistan]

France also thinks wanting to ban the hijab and thinking all practicing Muslims are dangerous terrorists is being “too soft on Islam”. Maaaybe France just doesn’t know what it’s talking about.

[Celritannia]

Only to the outsider of these nations.
They were forced into clumps by the American Government on reservations. They could not be bother with understanding, or learning the various nations.

CGP Grey did a fantastic video explaining this.

Right... now, what do you think "White privilege" as a concept and theoretical framework does?

It really doesn't matter if you are white, or not. Privilege and capitalism is a genuine problem.
Having a black or female CEO does not matter if they maintain the problems of capitalism.

[Washington Resistance Army]

France also thinks wanting to ban the hijab and thinking all practicing Muslims are dangerous terrorists is being “too soft on Islam”. Maaaybe France just doesn’t know what it’s talking about.

Tbf wanting to ban the hijab is pretty in keeping with French thought on secularism.

[Ostroeuropa]

Right... now, what do you think "White privilege" as a concept and theoretical framework does?

It really doesn't matter if you are white, or not. Privilege and capitalism is a genuine problem.
Having a black or female CEO does not matter if they maintain the problems of capitalism.

That doesn't answer the question so far as I can tell.

[Celritannia]

It really doesn't matter if you are white, or not. Privilege and capitalism is a genuine problem.
Having a black or female CEO does not matter if they maintain the problems of capitalism.

That doesn't answer the question so far as I can tell.

Fine!
In certain employment areas there is a bias to white male privilege, especially in Hollywood.
There are also a lot more rich white families that are able to send their children to get a good education.

But again, just because you have a female or black CEO does not destroy the actual problem of capitalism.
Everyone should have the ability to have a good education, regardless of ones family, connections, or wealth.

It's not something you can have a simple answer to, which is what you are wanting me to give.

[Borderlands of Rojava]

This also applies to native americans. The key is that they were all targeted by a racist campaign against them.

Only to the outsider of these nations.
They were forced into clumps by the American Government on reservations. They could not be bother with understanding, or learning the various nations.

CGP Grey did a fantastic video explaining this.

I imagine the reservation settling process went something like

"Oh hi I haven't seen you before. What Ottawa band are you from?"
"Ikidon miinawaa."
"Yeah...yeah."

[Ostroeuropa]

That doesn't answer the question so far as I can tell.

Fine!
In certain employment areas there is a bias to white male privilege, especially in Hollywood.
There are also a lot more rich white families that are able to send their children to get a good education.

But again, just because you have a female or black CEO does not destroy the actual problem of capitalism.
Everyone should have the ability to have a good education, regardless of ones family, connections, or wealth.

It's not something you can have a simple answer to, which is what you are wanting me to give.

So to be clear, you think it's valid for white to be a group when it comes to criticism of them, but not when it comes to defending themselves or celebration of themselves.
Hmm.

Do you not see how the woke framework of "white privilege" and so on alongside the criticism of white people and their behaviors and attitudes *is* an acknowledgement of white culture? That is, provided you think it's a valid framework to examine issues.

[Celritannia]

Fine!
In certain employment areas there is a bias to white male privilege, especially in Hollywood.
There are also a lot more rich white families that are able to send their children to get a good education.

But again, just because you have a female or black CEO does not destroy the actual problem of capitalism.
Everyone should have the ability to have a good education, regardless of ones family, connections, or wealth.

It's not something you can have a simple answer to, which is what you are wanting me to give.

So to be clear, you think it's valid for white to be a group when it comes to criticism of them, but not when it comes to defending themselves or celebration of themselves.
Hmm.

Do you not see how the woke framework of "white privilege" and so on alongside the criticism of white people and their behaviors and attitudes *is* an acknowledgement of white culture? That is, provided you think it's a valid framework to examine issues.

I'm sorry, is there a defining factor for "white people"?
What do I have in common with a Slavic person or a Russian, or a Hungarian? The fact we are all white?

I have not once said a French person or someone descendent of French ancestry should feel bad about their culture. In fact they should be proud. Same with a German, a Spaniard, Portuguese, what have you.

You are trying to clump too many cultures into one, and it is laughable.
That's like saying "all Asians should be proud of their history as one ethnicity." I'm sure people in China are so happy to share their ethnicity with the Japanese.

You forced and answer out of me to a question I dislike and disagree with.
Not my fault.

[Ostroeuropa]

So to be clear, you think it's valid for white to be a group when it comes to criticism of them, but not when it comes to defending themselves or celebration of themselves.
Hmm.

Do you not see how the woke framework of "white privilege" and so on alongside the criticism of white people and their behaviors and attitudes *is* an acknowledgement of white culture? That is, provided you think it's a valid framework to examine issues.

I'm sorry, is there a defining factor for "white people"?
What do I have in common with a Slavic person or a Russian, or a Hungarian? The fact we are all white?

I have not once said a French person or someone descendent of French ancestry should feel bad about their culture. In fact they should be proud. Same with a German, a Spaniard, Portuguese, what have you.

You are trying to clump too many cultures into one, and it is laughable.
That's like saying "all Asians should be proud of their history as one ethnicity." I'm sure people in China are so happy to share their ethnicity with the Japanese.

You forced and answer out of me to a question I dislike and disagree with.
Not my fault.

If you have nothing in common with these people then what use is white privilege as a concept? Isn't it as arbitrary as Eurasian privilege?

And if that's the case, wouldn't it suggest racism on the part of those who peddle that concept?

[Celritannia]

I'm sorry, is there a defining factor for "white people"?
What do I have in common with a Slavic person or a Russian, or a Hungarian? The fact we are all white?

I have not once said a French person or someone descendent of French ancestry should feel bad about their culture. In fact they should be proud. Same with a German, a Spaniard, Portuguese, what have you.

You are trying to clump too many cultures into one, and it is laughable.
That's like saying "all Asians should be proud of their history as one ethnicity." I'm sure people in China are so happy to share their ethnicity with the Japanese.

You forced and answer out of me to a question I dislike and disagree with.
Not my fault.

If you have nothing in common with these people then what use is white privilege as a concept? Isn't it as arbitrary as Eurasian privilege?

You're the one trying to promote the concept of "whiteness" here, not me.

Again, you asked a question about white privilege I disagreed with, so stop shoving it down my throat.

People's individual abilities and talents should matter more.

[Ostroeuropa]

If you have nothing in common with these people then what use is white privilege as a concept? Isn't it as arbitrary as Eurasian privilege?

You're the one trying to promote the concept of "whiteness" here, not me.

Again, you asked a question about white privilege I disagreed with, so stop shoving it down my throat.

People's individual abilities and talents should matter more.

I'm not really promoting whiteness except in the context of resisting anti-whiteness. Same as "Native american" is a nonsense category except in the context of Anti-Native Americanism.

Alright. So you don't support white privilege as a concept.

I think we'll both accept that woke types do, in fact they insist upon it, so do you not see the problem here with how that kind of framework and rhetoric is destructive to society?

It undermines your goal of individualism.

Especially as white racial consciousness rises the longer it continues, which somewhat goes against the supposed goals of woke types. The quickest way to unite diverse and disparate groups is to give them a common enemy that threatens all of them and keeps insisting they are all the same.

[Celritannia]

You're the one trying to promote the concept of "whiteness" here, not me.

Again, you asked a question about white privilege I disagreed with, so stop shoving it down my throat.

People's individual abilities and talents should matter more.

I'm not really promoting whiteness except in the context of resisting anti-whiteness. Same as "Native american" is a nonsense category except in the context of Anti-Native Americanism.

Alright. So you don't support white privilege as a concept.

I think we'll both accept that woke types do, in fact they insist upon it, so do you not see the problem here with how that kind of framework and rhetoric is destructive to society?

It undermines your goal of individualism.

What "anti-whiteness" exactly?
And what does it even mean to be white?

The Native American identity is the fault of years of American genocide of their culture. Sure, the individual nations will view themselves as Sioux, or Shoshone, but they had to band together as much as they were forced to.

You are again putting words into my mouth.
Privilege exists, but you have to also look at the demographic in the US for example, and see which people do have the highest paying jobs, or are able to get into the top universities etc.
Wealth certainly plays a big part in it, and most of the wealth are in the hands of white American families.
We can also look at the incarceration rate, the crimes committed, and note that black and Hispanic-Americans are the ones who get harsher sentences for committing the same person as a white-American.
A black-American who rapes someone will receive a harsher sentence that a white-American varsity sports player because of their abilities.
Is there some semblance of White-American Privilege? There certainly does seem like it, but it is concentrated in the wealthy individuals who have connections.
There is no simple of answer of "yes it is white-privilege" or "no it isn't white privilege".
We have to first understand what we mean by privilege, the socio-economic factors, and the connections white-American may have against black-Americans, and Hispanic-Americans.

No, not really.