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Postby Celritannia » Thu Feb 18, 2021 6:59 am

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That's a very hard claim to argue.

There are many people who are proud of their European identities.
I'm proud to be both British and a Yorkshireman.


Sure but that's not traditionalism. Traditionalism is extreme conservatism, think of Traditional Catholics as an example, and Neko is right that western liberals are willing to tolerate those beliefs as long as they're aren't held by white people. See people like Vass rushing to defend hardline Islamists against criticism for example even though not a small amount of those people view Vass as an abomination against God that should be tossed off a roof.


Everything should be up to criticism. But it's how you criticise it that is also important.
You can criticise a religion without the people that follow it, depending how far the people take that religion to an extremist level. That's when we have problems.

The moment you attack a person rather than the idea, belief, concept, etc, is the moment the argument is lost.

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Postby Celritannia » Thu Feb 18, 2021 6:59 am

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Terrible idea.
But that depends what those Native nations want too.


Or maybe let’s use individualistic terms: what do individual Native Americans want?


That is also what I meant, but w/e.

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Postby Nekostan-e Gharbi » Thu Feb 18, 2021 6:59 am

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
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That's a very hard claim to argue.

There are many people who are proud of their European identities.
I'm proud to be both British and a Yorkshireman.


Sure but that's not traditionalism. Traditionalism is extreme conservatism, think of Traditional Catholics as an example, and Neko is right that western liberals are willing to tolerate those beliefs as long as they're aren't held by white people. See people like Vass rushing to defend hardline Islamists against criticism for example even though not a small amount of those people view Vass as an abomination against God that should be tossed off a roof.


That’s why I don’t understand Vass. They are literally a fugitive from all Christian and Muslim societies. Yet they tolerate traditional cultures hostile to themselves.
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Postby Nekostan-e Gharbi » Thu Feb 18, 2021 7:01 am

Celritannia wrote:
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Or maybe let’s use individualistic terms: what do individual Native Americans want?


That is also what I meant, but w/e.


Fair enough though it is usually a good idea to stick to individualistic terms. Collectivism needs to be delegitimized.
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Postby Vassenor » Thu Feb 18, 2021 7:04 am

Nekostan-e Gharbi wrote:
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Sure but that's not traditionalism. Traditionalism is extreme conservatism, think of Traditional Catholics as an example, and Neko is right that western liberals are willing to tolerate those beliefs as long as they're aren't held by white people. See people like Vass rushing to defend hardline Islamists against criticism for example even though not a small amount of those people view Vass as an abomination against God that should be tossed off a roof.


That’s why I don’t understand Vass. They are literally a fugitive from all Christian and Muslim societies. Yet they tolerate traditional cultures hostile to themselves.


Only because you assume everyone conforms to your stereotypes. I'm also interested in being shown where I actively defended hardcore Islamists from actual criticism.
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Postby Suriyanakhon » Thu Feb 18, 2021 7:08 am

The same country which hasn't come to terms with its awful colonial history, oppressed local languages out of existence, and pretends that racism doesn't exist there despite the laughably obvious proof to the contrary?

Why should we care about what they think again?
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Postby Nekostan-e Gharbi » Thu Feb 18, 2021 7:09 am

Suriyanakhon wrote:The same country which hasn't come to terms with its awful colonial history, oppressed local languages out of existence, and pretends that racism doesn't exist there despite the laughably obvious proof to the contrary?

Why should we care about what they think again?


France allows people a chance to join them. Many nations don’t.

Those who tolerate traditionalism in their own ethnic group are not to be trusted.
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Postby The Greater Ohio Valley » Thu Feb 18, 2021 7:10 am

All this anti-wokeness has gotten to be pretty ridiculous and stupid.
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Postby Nekostan-e Gharbi » Thu Feb 18, 2021 7:10 am

Vassenor wrote:
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That’s why I don’t understand Vass. They are literally a fugitive from all Christian and Muslim societies. Yet they tolerate traditional cultures hostile to themselves.


Only because you assume everyone conforms to your stereotypes. I'm also interested in being shown where I actively defended hardcore Islamists from actual criticism.


You underestimate how much traditional societies hate you. They hate you as much as Sinostatists hate me.
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Postby Vassenor » Thu Feb 18, 2021 7:11 am

Nekostan-e Gharbi wrote:
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Only because you assume everyone conforms to your stereotypes. I'm also interested in being shown where I actively defended hardcore Islamists from actual criticism.


You underestimate how much traditional societies hate you. They hate you as much as Sinostatists hate me.


And you have yet to actually show me defending them from criticism.
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Postby Nekostan-e Gharbi » Thu Feb 18, 2021 7:12 am

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You underestimate how much traditional societies hate you. They hate you as much as Sinostatists hate me.


And you have yet to actually show me defending them from criticism.

I haven’t really observed you defending them. However I have observed you claiming that those who want to combat them are evil.
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Postby Vassenor » Thu Feb 18, 2021 7:13 am

Nekostan-e Gharbi wrote:
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And you have yet to actually show me defending them from criticism.

I haven’t really observed you defending them. However I have observed you claiming that those who want to combat them are evil.


Yet you keep insisting that I'm defending them.
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Postby Cultural Posadism » Thu Feb 18, 2021 7:14 am

The Greater Ohio Valley wrote:All this anti-wokeness has gotten to be pretty ridiculous and stupid.

It's circled back to retroactively justifying wokeness. I mean, it's one thing to think that some ways people talk about "white privilege" are dumb and harmful. It's another to cheer as the government promises to try to suppress any movement that acknowledges racism might exist and the nation's history might have some dark chapters.
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Postby Suriyanakhon » Thu Feb 18, 2021 7:25 am

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Suriyanakhon wrote:The same country which hasn't come to terms with its awful colonial history, oppressed local languages out of existence, and pretends that racism doesn't exist there despite the laughably obvious proof to the contrary?

Why should we care about what they think again?


France allows people a chance to join them. Many nations don’t.

Those who tolerate traditionalism in their own ethnic group are not to be trusted.


So does the US, systematic racism is still a serious problem here.

Traditionalism has nothing to do with ethnic inclusivity or exclusivity and feudal societies were probably ironically more diverse than modern liberal states.
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Postby Nekostan-e Gharbi » Thu Feb 18, 2021 7:31 am

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France allows people a chance to join them. Many nations don’t.

Those who tolerate traditionalism in their own ethnic group are not to be trusted.


So does the US, systematic racism is still a serious problem here.

Traditionalism has nothing to do with ethnic inclusivity or exclusivity and feudal societies were probably ironically more diverse than modern liberal states.


What you want and what I want are likely very different things.

If you want patriarchs to be able to be patriarchs and children can not be free from them even abroad then it might be a good society for you but hell for me.

Anyone who defends traditionalism is a problem.
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Postby New Acardia » Thu Feb 18, 2021 7:35 am

As both as a American and a conservative
I say this is something that I agree with France on
These Woke Left(the Alt Left) are a menace and need to be dealt with as such
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New Acardia wrote:As both as a American and a conservative
I say this is something that I agree with France on
These Woke Left(the Alt Left) are a menace and need to be dealt with as such

And what exactly does the underlined mean, hm?
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Cultural Posadism wrote:
New Acardia wrote:As both as a American and a conservative
I say this is something that I agree with France on
These Woke Left(the Alt Left) are a menace and need to be dealt with as such

And what exactly does the underlined mean, hm?


Deal with them like you would deal like any other threat
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New Acardia wrote:
Cultural Posadism wrote:And what exactly does the underlined mean, hm?


Deal with them like you would deal like any other threat

Be specific, please. "Deal with them" how exactly? You're gonna have me arrested for my political opinions or something?
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Postby Celritannia » Thu Feb 18, 2021 8:00 am

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Cultural Posadism wrote:And what exactly does the underlined mean, hm?


Deal with them like you would deal like any other threat


Ah, so be a dictator.

Surely the people who stormed the Capitol are a far more serious threat because they actually stormed and attempted to overturn a democratic vote.
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Celritannia wrote:
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Deal with them like you would deal like any other threat


Ah, so be a dictator.

Dictatorship is when the government does stuff
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Ah, so be a dictator.

Dictatorship is when the government does stuff for themselves


Edited that for you ;)

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Postby Suriyanakhon » Thu Feb 18, 2021 8:03 am

Nekostan-e Gharbi wrote:What you want and what I want are likely very different things.


Yes, I want actual egalitarianism and not fearmongering about an amorphous “Sinostatism” and weird racism masked in individualist rhetoric, while somehow managing to read traditionalism into everything where it's not.
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Odreria wrote:Dictatorship is when the government does stuff for themselves


Edited that for you ;)

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Cultural Posadism wrote:And what exactly does the underlined mean, hm?


Deal with them like you would deal like any other threat


Kill them? Jesus christ.
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