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Postby New haven america » Thu Feb 11, 2021 6:06 pm

Anyone wanna tell them that Wokeness is an ideal that was stolen by rich white people to prove how progressive and not at all offensive they are?
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Postby Miku the Based » Thu Feb 11, 2021 6:13 pm

I like the French new right in opposition to the woke left and the anti-germans. France as a nation has taken the path of the woke left for a while now and we have seen the repercussions from the amount of political dissent and protests.
Like I said before, anything latinized and in positive contact with the Anglophone countries tend to be infected with this woke left stuff, one reason to shy away from such countries when seeking asylum.
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Postby Senkaku » Thu Feb 11, 2021 7:34 pm

Ostroeuropa wrote:
I think a growing consensus among European governments that the woke left is a threat to society and needs to be dealt with

you mean the stagnant and weakening consensus within the French elite that France is colorblind and has moved beyond race and everyone should just shut up already? I don't see how you can characterize French leaders doing what they've always done and pretending France is a raceless society (in the face of abundant evidence to the contrary) and that racism is just a quirky American thing as "all of Europe uniting against American leftism" lol
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Postby Odreria » Thu Feb 11, 2021 8:23 pm

Why don't they take responsibility for their country instead of blaming everything on somebody else

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Postby Alcala-Cordel » Thu Feb 11, 2021 8:42 pm

Odreria wrote:Why don't they take responsibility for their country instead of blaming everything on somebody else

Nationalists hate to admit it when the institution that governs the region contained within its abstract set of lines does something wrong.
New haven america wrote:Anyone wanna tell them that Wokeness is an ideal that was stolen by rich white people to prove how progressive and not at all offensive they are?

They won't listen, but it's worth trying.
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Postby Albrenia » Thu Feb 11, 2021 9:51 pm

So I had a free moment and had a look at one of those articles, and it seems the OP is highly overstating what was said. Macron basically murmured unhappily about 'some theories' coming from American Universities and how they should be avoided. The rest was about right wingers getting triggered over blackface being cancelled.

Hardly an official denouncement or anything like that, from what I can see. Happened all the way back in October too, so hardly fresh news.

Seems to be immensely overstating it that European governments are forming some sort of unofficial joint venture to combat 'wokeness' as a 'threat to society'. The absolute absurdity of calling the whiny woke types a threat to society is amusing though.
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Postby Nousa » Fri Feb 12, 2021 12:23 am

Based, I hope they go further and eradicate American influence in Europe in general.

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Postby Picairn » Fri Feb 12, 2021 12:42 am

Well so much for the myth of Europe being more left-wing than the US.
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Postby Deacarsia » Fri Feb 12, 2021 12:46 am

This is positive news.
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Postby Vassenor » Fri Feb 12, 2021 1:13 am

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VAWA is one example, but to be sure, the legislative paralysis gripping the US has prevented woke ideology from being as big a problem for them legislatively in the same way as it has in other countries, though still as detrimental to social cohesion and national identity and so on.


The Violence Against Women Act? I don't know if that's woke as much as it is legislation that has been revised to protect women from, well, domestic violence. I know a common gripe with it is that the language doesn't explicitly cover men who suffer from domestic violence as well, but that's something that can be revised, not an example of an inherent problem with otherwise noble legislation.

I feel, at the end of the day, a lot of your talking points really boil down to a woman vs man sort of dichotomy, and I don't know if that's the foremost way to look at complex issues.


One of Ostro's big gripes against feminism has always been the way that it's lead to sexual and domestic violence having consequences.
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Postby Glorious Hong Kong » Fri Feb 12, 2021 1:27 am

Looks like Ostro beat me to it. Good on France for standing up to the racist, antisemitic, feminist, communist, and Islamist-enabling wokists and leftists. Just when I thought the American people fucked up big time and Western civilization was on the decline, France fills the gaping void left behind by Trump's failure to adequately contain the far-left wokists and his ignominious demise. This intellectual uprising is what I mean when I talk about ideological terraforming and cultural purification.

The West must be utterly cleansed of leftist BLM/MeToo/BDS terrorism, seditious insurrectionist tendencies, wokeness, and political correctness. Universities and Big Tech must be utterly purged of such elements and French Muslims must be told in no uncertain terms: assimilate or GTFO. I've even heard woke leftists and communists defend and make excuses for the CCP and its enablers from time to time despite their denials and claims to the contrary. This is a horrifying development and it needs to be nipped in the bud. I used to think these people were on my side at least when it came to China only to be betrayed and let down all over again.

If only America would tell its African-American population to "assimilate or GTFO" instead of seditiously whipping up racial resentment and incitement to mass violence and disorder just like Trump incited his supporters into an insurrectionist frenzy in order to cling on to power illegally. If only America, like France, would hold illegal immigrants and overstayers to the same legal standard that they hold their own citizens instead of seeking to pardon 11 million people for immigration offenses, which is far more than the number of people Trump pardoned. If only America would tell rich, white, privileged, American women to stop whining about "manspreading" and "mansplaining" and check their privilege.

This is happening right now in France. Where Trump failed to decisively curtail leftist insanity, Macron may yet succeed. With a strong and firm leader like him, who needs a right-wing demagogue and wannabe dictator?

Lately, my respect for the United States has fallen somewhat (although I remain a staunch USA defender in general, particularly against China) due to Trump's demise and the Woke Ascendancy, while my respect for the United Kingdom and France has risen. Macron is standing up to the woke Left and radical Islam while the United Kingdom's vaccination program has been a huge success under the center-right government of Boris Johnson and Priti Patel tolerates no bullshit from anyone on the Left or the Right whether its over coronavirus restrictions or illegal immigration.

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Postby Vassenor » Fri Feb 12, 2021 1:28 am

Glorious Hong Kong wrote:Looks like Ostro beat me to it. Good on France for standing up to the racist, antisemitic, feminist, communist, and Islamist-enabling wokists and leftists. Just when I thought the American people fucked up big time and Western civilization was on the decline, France fills the gaping void left behind by Trump's failure to adequately contain the far-left wokists and his ignominious demise. This intellectual uprising is what I mean when I talk about ideological terraforming and cultural purification.

The West must be utterly cleansed of leftist BLM/MeToo/BDS terrorism, seditious insurrectionist tendencies, wokeness, and political correctness. Universities and Big Tech must be utterly purged of such elements and French Muslims must be told in no uncertain terms: assimilate or GTFO. I've even heard woke leftists and communists defend and make excuses for the CCP and its enablers from time to time despite their denials and claims to the contrary. This is a horrifying development and it needs to be nipped in the bud. I used to think these people were on my side at least when it came to China only to be betrayed and let down all over again.

If only America would tell its African-American population to "assimilate or GTFO" instead of seditiously whipping up racial resentment and incitement to mass violence and disorder just like Trump incited his supporters into an insurrectionist frenzy in order to cling on to power illegally. If only America, like France, would hold illegal immigrants and overstayers to the same legal standard that they hold their own citizens instead of seeking to pardon 11 million people for immigration offenses, which is far more than the number of people Trump pardoned. If only America would tell rich, white, privileged, American women to stop whining about "manspreading" and "mansplaining" and check their privilege.

This is happening right now in France. Where Trump failed to decisively curtail leftist insanity, Macron may yet succeed. With a strong and firm leader like him, who needs a right-wing demagogue and wannabe dictator?

Lately, my respect for the United States has fallen somewhat (although I remain a staunch USA defender in general, particularly against China) due to Trump's demise and the Woke Ascendancy, while my respect for the United Kingdom and France has risen. Macron is standing up to the Left while the United Kingdom's vaccination program has been a huge success under the center-right government of Boris Johnson and Priti Patel tolerates no bullshit from anyone on the Left or the Right whether its over coronavirus restrictions or illegal immigration.

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And what background reading have you actually done about this, or are you just assuming that the OP is accurate because it gives you an excuse to dump this same copypasta rant about uppity black people?

United Kingdom's vaccination program has been a huge success under the center-right government of Boris Johnson and Priti Patel tolerates no bullshit from anyone on the Left or the Right whether its over coronavirus restrictions or illegal immigration.


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Sorry, that last bit was just so blatantly untrue that I couldn't help myself. If our vaccine program was a huge success we wouldn't be having to space the doses apart more than four times the recommended interval because of rampant supply issues (which before you try it were a thing before that whole "EU demands AZ turn over their stockpile" thing happened). And by "[tolerating] no bullshit from anyone over its coronavirus restrictions" we've become one of the worst hit countries on the planet to the point where a strain that mutated on our shores is set to become the dominant one globally because the government has constantly flip-flopped over what to actually do while openly ignoring what the actual experts on the matter say to do and funnelling huge amounts of cash to shell companies run by party donors.
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Postby Kanadorika » Fri Feb 12, 2021 1:33 am

Picairn wrote:Well so much for the myth of Europe being more left-wing than the US.
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archi ... ke/598783/

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Postby Czechostan » Fri Feb 12, 2021 1:38 am

I mean, to the point of national unity and secession in France, national unity was only achieved due to the persecution and suppression of minority groups in France. You don't even have to look at immigrants from Algeria or Syria for that; the French did it to the Bretons and Basques and Occitan people, banning their languages and hampering their cultural festivals. But curiously, I haven't seen many people on the right who fear the withering of European identity speak out against the withering away of Occitan or regional cultures when their disappearance is at the hands of other Europeans. The concept of "French identity" is rightfully something that should be critiqued.

So I don't see any problem in "importing" social theory from the US to describe/analyze what is and has been going on in France (the irony is a lot of these "woke social theories" have their origins in Europe to begin with). Of course it would need to be refurbished to fit the French cultural setting. Black and white Americans relate to each other differently than black and white French folk, for instance.
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Postby Albrenia » Fri Feb 12, 2021 2:20 am

Glorious Hong Kong wrote:-snip-


This reads like a fever dream. This also has nothing to do with the CCP or communism.

Also, nice job telling people born in a country (like African-Americans) to just shut up about being gunned down by police with impunity or GTFO. Boris Johnson's handling of COVID has also not been particularly great - granted not as horrific as Trump's total failure, but nothing to be proud of.

Leftist NZ and Australia, on the other hand, seem to be doing better even if it is far from perfect.

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Postby Risottia » Fri Feb 12, 2021 5:38 am

Major-Tom wrote:Fringe theories stemming in America are considered fringe elsewhere, not really newsworthy.


It's not like we EUropeans care massively for butthurt USian racialists.

I still anticipate people to take this as France's attack on the American left as a whole because people are terrible at reading within the margins.

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''and also blamed US varsities for providing justification to terror attacks by Islamic terrorists.''

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The American media portrayed Macron as some sort of woke progressive like Ardern back in 2017, and Americans generally have the impression that Europeans are "woker," but if you know anything about Macron’s policies and the overton window of French politics in general, it shouldn’t be a surprise. France is one of the countries I respect the most because everyone in the country from all sides of politics are generally nationalists, which is why politicians won’t put their political party before the country. We saw this during Erdogan’s attacks on Macron, where even his biggest political opponents like Le Pen came to his defense because, he is after all, the president of France
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Postby Glorious Hong Kong » Fri Feb 12, 2021 6:06 am

Albrenia wrote:
Glorious Hong Kong wrote:-snip-


This reads like a fever dream. This also has nothing to do with the CCP or communism.

Also, nice job telling people born in a country (like African-Americans) to just shut up about being gunned down by police with impunity or GTFO. Boris Johnson's handling of COVID has also not been particularly great - granted not as horrific as Trump's total failure, but nothing to be proud of.

Leftist NZ and Australia, on the other hand, seem to be doing better even if it is far from perfect.


Australia's right-wing, not left-wing.
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Picairn wrote:Well so much for the myth of Europe being more left-wing than the US.
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archi ... ke/598783/


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Postby Borderlands of Rojava » Fri Feb 12, 2021 6:29 am

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Picairn wrote:Well so much for the myth of Europe being more left-wing than the US.
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archi ... ke/598783/

Comparing an entire continent to a single country needs to die already.


Does that include eastern europe too, which is generally more right wing?
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Postby Borderlands of Rojava » Fri Feb 12, 2021 6:37 am

Glorious Hong Kong wrote:Looks like Ostro beat me to it. Good on France for standing up to the racist, antisemitic, feminist, communist, and Islamist-enabling wokists and leftists. Just when I thought the American people fucked up big time and Western civilization was on the decline, France fills the gaping void left behind by Trump's failure to adequately contain the far-left wokists and his ignominious demise. This intellectual uprising is what I mean when I talk about ideological terraforming and cultural purification.

The West must be utterly cleansed of leftist BLM/MeToo/BDS terrorism, seditious insurrectionist tendencies, wokeness, and political correctness. Universities and Big Tech must be utterly purged of such elements and French Muslims must be told in no uncertain terms: assimilate or GTFO.


Meanwhile virtually all terrorism is right wing in nature here. BLM protests are mostly peaceful, metoo has gone too far but that isn't terrorism, and BDS is a boycott of Israel for human rights violations, not terrorism at all and protected by the first amendment. As for what you said about French Muslims, the truth is in this society at least you can never be "integrated enough" for the racists. My primary language in public is English and I speak it good enough to hold a conversation with everyone about anything. I listen mostly to music that's in English. This is my home. But that hasn't stopped many a person from treating me like a foreign menace. I'm no stranger to both casual racist comments nor all out hateful rhetoric. And then I look at Dearborn where you have the safest city bordering Detroit being called a "no-go zone" by right-wing media leeches, and being called a sharia state, and I fail to see why. Dearborn is comparable to little Italy in the 1900s. It's a normal place to be and I go there every week, but I'm certain it's a no-go zone for people who have bigotry issues. Two of my ex girlfriends were Muslims and they dressed like everyone else and didn't even look that physically different from everyone else, but the number of insensitive and inflammatory things said about them in school was too high to count. It isnt about assimilation. Once the population decides that your ethnicity is the enemy, they won't be happy till you've been purged from the world, as made evident by the final solution in nazi Germany. It isnt the job of people to try in vain to make bigots like them, so I've frankly had it up to here with talks of assimilation. If France were to say to Muslims "assimilate or we're booting you," I would expect them to shortly boot 99% of their muslim population anyways.
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