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Carano told us today: “The Daily Wire is helping make one of my dreams — to develop and produce my own film — come true. I cried out and my prayer was answered. I am sending out a direct message of hope to everyone living in fear of cancellation by the totalitarian mob. I have only just begun using my voice which is now freer than ever before, and I hope it inspires others to do the same. They can’t cancel us if we don’t let them.”

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If she's as talented a producer as she is an actress, the Daily Wire is about to go out of business lol
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I for one am not about to take advice about race relations from a nation that bans the burkini but lets Catholic nuns wear whatever religious garb they please wherever and whenever.
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Postby Myrensis » Fri Feb 12, 2021 8:07 pm

Nilokeras wrote:I think the fact that this entire kerfuffle stems from the decision of an opera director to not use the traditional blackface in one of their works says everything you need to know about the 'anti woke'ists.


The whole article is lulworthy, particularly since it specifically notes that Macron is only doing this to pander to right wing assholes ahead of elections.

So the apparent crimes of the "woke left" against France

-A museum director doesn't want to use blackface in plays anymore!
-People suggested racism is an issue in France, when that's clearly impossible because the French government has officially declared that race doesn't exist!
-People suggested that France's attitude and treatment of Muslims, both it's citizens and former colonies, should be examined, when that obviously just encourages terrorism!

Think the real question is if France's standard policy of "We officially declare that our country has no problems and we're all part of one big happy homogenous totally equal French family" is so wildly successful, how are the "woke Americans" influencing so many people?

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24 hours post cancellation...


If she's as talented a producer as she is an actress, the Daily Wire is about to go out of business lol


Nah, conservatives love hearing how oppressed and persecuted they are for being just too pure, noble, and patriotic for this world, so these kinds of things always make good money relative to their production costs. See the whole 'God's not Dead' franchise, which has made like 100 million dollars off a collective budget of 9 million.

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Postby Baltenstein » Sat Feb 13, 2021 12:54 am

Myrensis wrote:
Think the real question is if France's standard policy of "We officially declare that our country has no problems and we're all part of one big happy homogenous totally equal French family" is so wildly successful, how are the "woke Americans" influencing so many people?


Two thoughts on that:

1.) An ideology's rising popularity says more about the existence of unresolved issues that the ideology claims to adress, than the merits - or lack thereof - of the ideology itself. Woke activism has been increasingly influential in Western societies in recent years, but so have the Alt-Right and traditional right-wing populism.

2.) An ideology presence in the public discourse tends to be disproportionally bigger than it's actual sway in society at large. This is especially true for ideologies that appeal more towards people that are active in academics and media, doubly so in the age of social media activism.
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Postby Glorious Hong Kong » Sat Feb 13, 2021 11:28 am

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No State Here wrote:Americans often don’t realize how obsessed we are with race and gender and how much people in the rest of the world just don’t care about this stuff. Not saying idpol is an American thing, it definitely exists in many places, but the fixation for American people and politicians on race issues is fairly unique to the US. One might say that’s a result of a history of slavery, but another American country with a history of African slavery, Brazil, doesn’t have this issue to nearly the same extent

Internal racism is the biggest thing holding America back from progress, but throughout history foreign powers have stoked this division among the American people. We are seeing a resurgence of this today, Russia is clearly attempting to divide America and China is continuing its antics as always, and both are using race politics to take advantage of the American people. Until the concept of race is completely wiped out of the American mind, America will never rise again


I completely agree.

Crossposting from the U.S. politics thread:

The threat posed by the American Woke Left is global in its scale and scope. CNN and NYT enjoy global coverage, for instance. Fox News and NYP do not. Wokism inherently threatens the rights of men, Muslim women, LGBT people, Jews, and non-Muslims residing both in America and abroad. As an example, liberal, ex-Muslim, atheist, feminist, and refugee to the United States Ayaan Hirsi Ali has been routinely demonized by her left-wing, so-called "liberal" peers for her scathing critique of Islam and mass Muslim immigration and all the dangers that that entails, thereby imperiling the human rights of many of the above groups. Woke "liberals" don't give a single shit about her plight.

Meanwhile, Trumpists who participated or defended the Capitol Hill insurrection attempt have given China every excuse to crack down on their own citizens. If Trump can do it, China reasons, why can't we? Trump's post-election stunt on Jan. 6 set a really dangerous precedent for other countries such as Myanmar. Trump is also as much to blame for the spread of coronavirus in America as the CCP is. The coronavirus is as much a Trump virus as it is a CCP virus at least in America. I don't say this to troll Asians or Trump supporters. I'm assigning blame to their respective leaders.

U.S. politics has become absolutely toxic and its toxicity threatens to poison and infect the entire world, particularly Canada, Australia, New Zealand, and Western Europe, as well as cosmopolitan outposts such as Hong Kong and Singapore where large numbers of Westerners gather and whom I grew up and went to school with. French leaders and intellectuals have already spoken out against the insidious, creeping SJWization of French society. This is not to give Donald Trump a free pass on his BS, however. He failed to stop the Left and then he tried to cling on to power illegally. Fuck him.

I'm pretty sure Emmanuel Macron, a decent and moderate centrist, would've done a far better job of containing the radical, CCP-enabling, Islamist-enabling, feminist-enabling, antisemitic, race-baiting wokists who have thoroughly poisoned U.S. and Western political discourse with their constant whining about how wicked and privileged men, Jews, and white people are, had he been POTUS these past four years, and he would've done so with a little less trolling, yapping, and narcissism. College and Big Tech SJWs who control and monopolize online social and political discourse around the world would be in a far weaker position than they currently are now. The Republican Party wouldn't be so divided and the Democrats wouldn't be so united.

America could've had a more moderate version of Trump who was pro-choice, pro-LGBT, took climate change and the coronavirus seriously, believed in gradually phasing in universal healthcare and free public education over a period spanning years, was able to take criticism, and was able to accept the result of an election and bow out gracefully, while continuing to remain staunchly critical of woke leftist censorship and cancel culture, even going so far as to invoke the Insurrection Act, federalize the National Guard, and decisively quell those seditious, Antifa/BLM insurrectionist riots in Minneapolis, Portland, and elsewhere, something that Trump evidently failed to do because he was a coward who only cared about himself.

Both Antifa and pro-Trump rioters should be severely and mercilessly dealt with in equal measure. Trump failed to crack down hard enough on either of them because he's a weak and indecisive coward. Emmanuel Macron would've done a far better job than him. Vive le France!

America, the world's pre-eminent cultural superpower, must be utterly cleansed of wokeness and Trumpism lest such toxicity metastasize and undermine freedom, democracy, civil rights, and equality in other countries including France and Britain. This is what I've referred to as ideological terraforming or cultural purification. Save America, save the West, stand with Israel, stand with Hong Kong, stand with Taiwan, defeat China, defeat radical Islam, save the world.


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U.S. cultural imperialism seems to be a mixture of good and bad. In order for U.S. cultural imperialism to work for everyone, America must be utterly cleansed of wokeness. CNN, NYT, and Hollywood used to garner huge amounts of respect just 10-15 years ago. Not anymore. Hubris defines this elite nowadays and it's toxic as hell.

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We're fairly right wing on immigration issues, which is a national disgrace, but nobody's perfect.


The Australian Liberals are the right kind of classical liberal, as are the British Conservatives. Right-wing liberalism exists. David Cameron has termed it muscular liberalism emphasizing the unerring defense of Western values. And being hard on illegal immigration is generally a good thing. My country could use more of it. Zero tolerance.
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Postby Repubblica Fascista Sociale Italiana » Sat Feb 13, 2021 11:31 am

Postauthoritarian America wrote:I for one am not about to take advice about race relations from a nation that bans the burkini but lets Catholic nuns wear whatever religious garb they please wherever and whenever.

That’s not true at all, in fact, France in infamous for its hard enforcement of laicite and stories of nuns being denied service circulate all the time. At least get your facts straight before posting
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Postby A z a n i a » Sat Feb 13, 2021 11:38 am

The French government should be denouncing the French government for the French government's actions towards France's former African colonies. But this is a matter for another thread. I fail to see how this is newsworthy. You wouldn't ask a Scotsman for his take on the socio-political complexities of Kazakhstan.
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Postby SD_Film Artists » Sat Feb 13, 2021 11:52 am

A z a n i a wrote:The French government should be denouncing the French government for the French government's actions towards France's former African colonies.


I don't think that and the thread topic are mutually exclusive. You can criticise French colonial history and the Americanisation of French politics at the same time.

But this is a matter for another thread. I fail to see how this is newsworthy. You wouldn't ask a Scotsman for his take on the socio-political complexities of Kazakhstan.


But you could ask a Scottish person for his take on Kazakh culture having an effect on Scottish/British society, if that were a problem.
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Postby My Political Fantasy » Sat Feb 13, 2021 12:02 pm

Putting American cultural beliefs on another culture is cringe, but it gets even more cringe when it is outside of the west...
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Postby Sundiata » Sat Feb 13, 2021 12:04 pm

My Political Fantasy wrote:Putting American cultural beliefs on another culture is cringe, but it gets even more cringe when it is outside of the west...

Nonsense.
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My Political Fantasy wrote:Putting American cultural beliefs on another culture is cringe, but it gets even more cringe when it is outside of the west...

Nonsense.

So, when are we gonna start civilizing ;)
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Postby Sundiata » Sat Feb 13, 2021 12:12 pm

My Political Fantasy wrote:
Sundiata wrote:Nonsense.

So, when are we gonna start civilizing ;)

There are some people who would not consider themselves civilized if they had not heard there was such a thing.
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Postauthoritarian America wrote:I for one am not about to take advice about race relations from a nation that bans the burkini but lets Catholic nuns wear whatever religious garb they please wherever and whenever.

I'm opposed to the Burkini ban but Catholicism has been in France before Islam even existed. Even post-revolution it is an intrinsic part of French culture. Islam is not.
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My Political Fantasy wrote:So, when are we gonna start civilizing ;)

There are some people who would not consider themselves civilized if they had not heard there was such a thing.

You mean people who do degenerate things? I mean, I do feel kind of controlling of people's morality when they do really horrible things I disagree with.
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My Political Fantasy wrote:Putting American cultural beliefs on another culture is cringe, but it gets even more cringe when it is outside of the west...

Nonsense.


Forcing your culture onto others is called imperialism.
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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Sat Feb 13, 2021 12:51 pm

France isn’t exactly fond of the US. So that they have academics denouncing the US over conspiracy theories and anti-intellectualism isn’t surprising to me in the least.
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Sundiata wrote:Nonsense.


Forcing your culture onto others is imperialism.

Refusing your responsibility to intervene is immoral.
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Forcing your culture onto others is imperialism.

Refusing your responsibility to intervene is immoral.

Just like intervening in Iraq and killing at least a million civilians in the process wasn't immoral, right?
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Postby Celritannia » Sat Feb 13, 2021 12:53 pm

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Forcing your culture onto others is imperialism.

Refusing your responsibility to intervene is immoral.


What responsibility?
The fact you are denying the idea that putting American culture above others shows you are supporting American imperialism.
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Postauthoritarian America wrote:I for one am not about to take advice about race relations from a nation that bans the burkini but lets Catholic nuns wear whatever religious garb they please wherever and whenever.

I'm opposed to the Burkini ban but Catholicism has been in France before Islam even existed. Even post-revolution it is an intrinsic part of French culture. Islam is not.

Doesn't justify the State having the authority to decide which religion is better.
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Sundiata wrote:Refusing your responsibility to intervene is immoral.

Just like intervening in Iraq and killing at least a million civilians in the process wasn't immoral, right?


Or replacing elected socialist governments in Latin American and giving rise to fascist dictators that then went on to invade sovereign British territory.

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My Political Fantasy wrote:Putting American cultural beliefs on another culture is cringe, but it gets even more cringe when it is outside of the west...

Nonsense.

You just described your political beliefs in one word. Thanks!
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Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:France isn’t exactly fond of the US. So that they have academics denouncing the US over conspiracy theories and anti-intellectualism isn’t surprising to me in the least.

They hate us cause they ain't us.
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Greater Cesnica wrote:Just like intervening in Iraq and killing at least a million civilians in the process wasn't immoral, right?


Or replacing elected socialist governments in Latin American and giving rise to fascist dictators that then went on to invade sovereign British territory.

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Postby Ostroeuropa » Sat Feb 13, 2021 12:56 pm

Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:France isn’t exactly fond of the US. So that they have academics denouncing the US over conspiracy theories and anti-intellectualism isn’t surprising to me in the least.


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