French government denounces American Woke Left

[Celritannia]

No, is a thread about something very little and of no importance while there are for more important topics to discuss.

But then again, this is NSG.

Actually I think this is a very refreashing topic as it's a western government which is actually doing something about wokeism and it's not just Trump being Trump. IMO that's much more interesting and topical than the same rehashed eugenics, 'real communism?' and hypothetical threads.

The thread has taken a small quote out of proportion and making it bigger than what it is.

[SD_Film Artists]

Actually I think this is a very refreashing topic as it's a western government which is actually doing something about wokeism and it's not just Trump being Trump. IMO that's much more interesting and topical than the same rehashed eugenics, 'real communism?' and hypothetical threads.

The thread has taken a small quote out of proportion and making it bigger than what it is.

Which quote is that?

[New Vedan]

Good for France! I for one despise the "woke" culture that has ruined the American left. The Europeans do li old be doing everything they can too nip it in the bud before it spreads to there countries.

[Arvenia]

Good for France! I for one despise the "woke" culture that has ruined the American left. The Europeans do li old be doing everything they can too nip it in the bud before it spreads to there countries.

Europe needs to free itself from Pasokification.

[Celritannia]

The thread has taken a small quote out of proportion and making it bigger than what it is.

Which quote is that?

The whole concept of France not liking the "US woke ideals". Since when has France cared what the US does? Never, and suddenly it's news?

[Vassenor]

Good for France! I for one despise the "woke" culture that has ruined the American left. The Europeans do li old be doing everything they can too nip it in the bud before it spreads to there countries.

It's good that Macron is getting the vapours over someone calling blackface bad like some sort of snowflake?

[Democratic Exodian Territories]

Good for France! I for one despise the "woke" culture that has ruined the American left. The Europeans do li old be doing everything they can too nip it in the bud before it spreads to there countries.

It's good that Macron is getting the vapours over someone calling blackface bad like some sort of snowflake?

still at it eh

[Vassenor]

It's good that Macron is getting the vapours over someone calling blackface bad like some sort of snowflake?

still at it eh

I mean that's what actually happened if you bothered to actually read the NYT link rather than just assuming the OP was telling the truth about it.

[Democratic Exodian Territories]

still at it eh

I mean that's what actually happened if you bothered to actually read the NYT link rather than just assuming the OP was telling the truth about it.

okay lol

[Vassenor]

I mean that's what actually happened if you bothered to actually read the NYT link rather than just assuming the OP was telling the truth about it.

okay lol

I mean if you can't be bothered to educate yourself you don't really have any grounds to complain when people call you out for blindly supporting positions.

[SD_Film Artists]

Good for France! I for one despise the "woke" culture that has ruined the American left. The Europeans do li old be doing everything they can too nip it in the bud before it spreads to there countries.

It's good that Macron is getting the vapours over someone calling blackface bad like some sort of snowflake?

Do I have to repeat myself for a 4th 5th time about how this thread isn't automatically about blackface? I'm starting to get the wild notion that you just might be taking that angle because it's easier to accuse people of supporting blackface rather than actually forming an argument.

[SD_Film Artists]

Which quote is that?

The whole concept of France not liking the "US woke ideals". Since when has France cared what the US does? Never, and suddenly it's news?

This has been an ongoing thing long before the government statement (which I'm assuming is your 'small quote') or the theatre blackface thing. The sources also state this and NSG had a thread about it IIRC.

Also, France has a relatively long history of rejecting US influence, such as refusing to get involved with the war in Iraq and having differing views on climate change, Iran etc. They're also relitively insular, for example they're the least anglophone country in Europe in terms of 2nd language.

That's not to say that they're complete rebels, for example they helped America with the Libyan civil war and assisting in capturing an intact Mi-24D during the 80's, but they're not constantly simping over the stars'n'stripes like the UK tends to do.

[Cordel One]

1) The constitution can burn for all I care

is this coming from a place of authoritarianism, or...

Anti-capitalism and anti-americanism

2) The first amendment doesn't allow people to say whatever they want.

it kinda does though, it actually explicitly prevents the government from placing restrictions on speech, religion, the press, petition, and peaceful assembly

[/quote]
Which is dumb, but Twitter's not the government.

[Salus Maior]

The French find fault with Americans. News at 11.

[Celritannia]

The whole concept of France not liking the "US woke ideals". Since when has France cared what the US does? Never, and suddenly it's news?

This has been an ongoing thing long before the government statement (which I'm assuming is your 'small quote') or the theatre blackface thing. The sources also state this and NSG had a thread about it IIRC.

Also, France has a relatively long history of rejecting US influence, such as refusing to get involved with the war in Iraq and having differing views on climate change, Iran etc. They're also relitively insular, for example they're the least anglophone country in Europe in terms of 2nd language.

That's not to say that they're complete rebels, for example they helped America with the Libyan civil war and assisting in capturing an intact Mi-24D during the 80's, but they're not constantly simping over the stars'n'stripes like the UK tends to do.

Th whole idea of "wokeness" is laughable, really.
Sure, there are things people are overzealous about, but this whole concept is silly and stupid to begin with.
Sure it's wrong to black your face, and it's wrong to ignore racial prejudice in the police, etc.
But again, why is it so important?

[Proctopeo]

is this coming from a place of authoritarianism, or...

Anti-capitalism and anti-americanism

You say that but...

it kinda does though, it actually explicitly prevents the government from placing restrictions on speech, religion, the press, petition, and peaceful assembly

Which is dumb, but Twitter's not the government.

...then you say this. What's wrong about the government being prohibited from suppressing freedom of expression?

Also, yes, Twitter's not the government... but it has an incredible control over the public discourse in spite of it.

[SD_Film Artists]

This has been an ongoing thing long before the government statement (which I'm assuming is your 'small quote') or the theatre blackface thing. The sources also state this and NSG had a thread about it IIRC.

Also, France has a relatively long history of rejecting US influence, such as refusing to get involved with the war in Iraq and having differing views on climate change, Iran etc. They're also relitively insular, for example they're the least anglophone country in Europe in terms of 2nd language.

That's not to say that they're complete rebels, for example they helped America with the Libyan civil war and assisting in capturing an intact Mi-24D during the 80's, but they're not constantly simping over the stars'n'stripes like the UK tends to do.

Th whole idea of "wokeness" is laughable, really.
Sure, there are things people are overzealous about, but this whole concept is silly and stupid to begin with.

I agree, though I suspect for different reasons.

Sure it's wrong to black your face, and it's wrong to ignore racial prejudice in the police, etc.
But again, why is it so important?

Because it's a disproportionately large source of haressment towards politicians and political campaigners (yes I know the far-right aren't innocent of this, such as Jan 6th), it spreads division, suppresses free speech and causes a lot of the ills that it claims to cure, such as sexism, racism and general authoritarianism. That's why it's not good to dismiss it as 'lol people moaning about the sjws again' as if political violence is just a cute meme.

[Democratic Exodian Territories]

okay lol

I mean if you can't be bothered to educate yourself you don't really have any grounds to complain when people call you out for blindly supporting positions.

Am I truly as blind as you say I am in others' eyes? As long as I regard so-called information as worthless drivel I need not read, I will not "educate" myself. Perhaps if you motivated me properly to read the article rather than accuse me of supporting blackface and racism I might.

[Cordel One]

Anti-capitalism and anti-americanism

You say that but...

Which is dumb, but Twitter's not the government.

...then you say this. What's wrong about the government being prohibited from suppressing freedom of expression?

I think I've explained that already.

Also, yes, Twitter's not the government... but it has an incredible control over the public discourse in spite of it.

and they don't have to follow the 1st amendment.

[Democratic Exodian Territories]

You say that but...


...then you say this. What's wrong about the government being prohibited from suppressing freedom of expression?

I think I've explained that already.

Also, yes, Twitter's not the government... but it has an incredible control over the public discourse in spite of it.

and they don't have to follow the 1st amendment.

what's morally keeping us from making them?

[Borderlands of Rojava]

while there are for more important topics to discuss.

But then again, this is NSG.

You’re right. Topics like figuring out whether or not Fidel Castro or Stalin were bad guys are much more pressing matters than the concentration of American power in the hands of authoritarians. Ah hell, let’s be honest, we KNOW Fidel and Stalin were heroes we just have to convince the few remaining people on the site who are ignorant of this fact.

Stereotypical woke people aren't authoritarians. They're sad clowns who are such utter losers, their identity is solely based around their race, gender or sexual orientation because when you strip away the layers of intersectionality they don't have much of a life.

[SD_Film Artists]

You’re right. Topics like figuring out whether or not Fidel Castro or Stalin were bad guys are much more pressing matters than the concentration of American power in the hands of authoritarians. Ah hell, let’s be honest, we KNOW Fidel and Stalin were heroes we just have to convince the few remaining people on the site who are ignorant of this fact.

Stereotypical woke people aren't authoritarians. They're sad clowns who are such utter losers, their identity is solely based around their race, gender or sexual orientation because when you strip away the layers of intersectionality they don't have much of a life.

In a way that gives them more motive to be authoritarian as if they don't have their intersectional identity stick to throw around then they'll have nothing, so they just keep on doing it. If they start losing an argument then they press the Nazi button if they haven't done so already. As Churchill said, "A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject."

I also won't just limit that to "stereotypical" woke people although I do recognise that 'woke' is a relatively large group and not a hive mind, so perhaps 'typical' is a more appropriate word since 'stereotypical' implies that they're merely a film trope rather than a real political entity.

[Nilokeras]

You’re right. Topics like figuring out whether or not Fidel Castro or Stalin were bad guys are much more pressing matters than the concentration of American power in the hands of authoritarians. Ah hell, let’s be honest, we KNOW Fidel and Stalin were heroes we just have to convince the few remaining people on the site who are ignorant of this fact.

Stereotypical woke people aren't authoritarians. They're sad clowns who are such utter losers, their identity is solely based around their race, gender or sexual orientation because when you strip away the layers of intersectionality they don't have much of a life.

Now tell us how you really feel

[Nekostan-e Gharbi]

Requiring black people to assimilate or GTFO is Sinostatism. It’s really no different from what China does to Uyghurs.

Except African-Americans would actually have a choice to freely emigrate rather than be sterilized and forcibly re-educated in concentration camps if I was POTUS. They would have the choice of making Aliyah to any West African country of their choice and not have to worry about mUh oPpReSsIoN ever again and they would be paid handsomely. But yes, I prefer French-style compulsory integration to slavery, segregation, and genocide. I would do the same to European Muslims, and Emmanuel Macron is doing just that in France contrary to the wishes of American woke imperialists. That makes him a "fascist" in the wokiverse.

If you are thankful to be born in one of the freest countries in the world, then by all means, remain. If you are ungrateful and believe America (or France) is so irredeemably racist, no one is preventing you from emigrating. While it is true that individual Muslims in the West can certainly be the victims of vile racist and "Islamophobic" hate crimes, this idea that Muslims as a group are oppressed outside of places like China or Myanmar is absolutely and completely laughable, especially in Western countries. The same goes for Palestinians and African-Americans whining about oppression at the hands of wicked Jews or wicked white people.

American wokists and their European proxies routinely encourage this kind of counter-productive, self-destructive, and socially divisive victimhood complex among women and minorities in order to manipulate them into voting for them, even going so far as to encourage seditious rioting, looting, vandalism, arson, treason, and insurrection, and then turning around and blaming their right-wing opponents for the violence. This intellectually dishonest charade is so painfully and blindingly obvious it makes me want to puke. That these same wokists routinely ostracize and attempt to cancel people like Ayaan Hirsi Ali who refuse to play along and be the angry, oppressed stereotype that white wokists want them to be tells us who the real bigots and racists are, because this is the kind of ideological bigotry that would make Orwell proud.

If supposedly liberal leftists can openly demand that Trump supporters be investigated for treason and sedition, then I have as much right to demand that woke BLM activists and Antifa sympathizers be similarly investigated by the FBI for "uttering seditious words". The Democrats opened the fucking Pandora's Box. Now they can lie in the bed that they have made.

American wokism poses an existential threat to Europe and especially Israel, as well as the United States itself, obviously.

California recently tried and ( luckily ) failed to remove a part of their state constitution that forbids discrimination on the grounds of race politics. Given the rhetoric around "hate speech" these days I wouldn't be surprised if they attempt to pass speech laws here in the next decade. Political opponents of the "woke left" for lack of a better term are already being removed from the conversation on social media sites. Of course, they're private companies and it's their right to do so, but considering how much actual communication goes on on just the 3 to 4 major social media sites, it's having a significant impact in shaping the public discourse and the way people think while clearly favoring one side of the political spectrum. We're also seeing massive self censoring and discrimination on the basis of political views in academia:

https://www.wsj.com/articles/a-vote-for ... 1593127619

https://www.cato.org/publications/surve ... plications

https://www.realcleareducation.com/arti ... 10483.html

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archi ... or/606559/

https://www.wsj.com/articles/most-u-s-c ... 1540588198

https://www.foxnews.com/us/college-stud ... acceptable

The majority of people in education, media and entertainment all adhere to such politics as well. You can't escape it whether you're trying to increase your knowledge, keep yourself informed or merely seeking entertainment. They seek to infest every area of life in order to slowly shift the culture so that when people say something like "I'm not sure if illegal immigrants should be given stimulus checks" you'll be labelled a racist when that's something you would have been laughed at by a Republican for saying just 15 to 20 years ago. But they'll accuse you of being a nazi anyways because you're not ceding ground fast enough or to the extent they want you to. And it will never be enough.

Give an inch and they will take a fucking mile. Never apologize and never surrender to wokists. Always, always double down and stand your ground. Let them throw their immature tantrums. Let them get triggered. Let them "feel unsafe", because nobody gives a flying fuck about their goddamned feelings. I refuse to live in a world where a man is expected to cross the street otherwise a woman walking in the opposite direction may "feel unsafe". I refuse to live in a world where my very existence as a cishet male is a fucking crime.

If these intolerant leftists ever showed up in my country, I would kindly tell them to fuck off back to America and take their utopian ideals with them. Malaysia will not be colonized by wokism and it will not be colonized by radical Islam, which is partly enabled by white, Western wokists. Over my dead body.

And give us back our internet. The Left doesn't own Facebook. Facebook owns Facebook, and if Facebook continues to pander to wokists the way it has been doing lately, it deserves to be broken up.

They're going to respond with "it was just a comparison I found relevant and interesting." Perhaps with a smug emoji at the end because they know they can get away with it.

Like I said earlier, it's supremely ironic because the woke Left suffers from a chronic antisemitism problem. Louis Farrakhan, Linda Sarsour, Ilhan Omar, and Rashida Tlaib are among a few examples in U.S. left-wing politics. All four of them also happen to be Muslims, and at least two of them are radical Islamists. Also, who can forget about Jeremy Corbyn and Momentum? Good fucking riddance to that scumbag. Boris Johnson is my hero, and Keir Starmer has actually made an effort to purge some of the wokest leftists from his Shadow Cabinet, including Rebecca Long-Bailey, as well as expelling Jeremy Corbyn from the Labour Party as a whole. This is exactly what I was hoping would happen. Good fucking riddance to Momentum.

Well, it is actually not that unreasonable for Jewish people who don’t want to be in the diaspora to emigrate to Israel since it is a First World Jewish state. It is also reasonable for Germans and Japanese and even some Sinostatists to re-emigrate if they don’t want to live in contemporary America because it is too white, not white enough, too capitalist, too socialist, too Christian, too atheist or whatever.

However where exactly do you want African Americans to have as a homeland? The problem is that there are many black countries but all of them have established ethnicities and tribes. For example Nigeria isn’t just black. It is majority Hausa, Yoruba, Fulani and Igbo. If you suddenly get some additional people who don’t belong to any of the groups it disturbs the delicate ethnic balance.

[Nekostan-e Gharbi]

You’re right. Topics like figuring out whether or not Fidel Castro or Stalin were bad guys are much more pressing matters than the concentration of American power in the hands of authoritarians. Ah hell, let’s be honest, we KNOW Fidel and Stalin were heroes we just have to convince the few remaining people on the site who are ignorant of this fact.

Stereotypical woke people aren't authoritarians. They're sad clowns who are such utter losers, their identity is solely based around their race, gender or sexual orientation because when you strip away the layers of intersectionality they don't have much of a life.

Nah. Wokism makes perfect sense for women and certain LGBT people. The main historical confusion about the LGBT community is that old Greco-Roman bisexual men were generally very violent while modern gays are mostly not very violent. What matters is of course not whether homosexuality is practiced but how dangerous an individual is. The misfortune of modern LGBT people has the same cause as the patriarchy, namely pecking orders are determined by how much harm you are capable of doing instead of by how much you can contribute to a society.

In some sense the end result of Wokism is not necessarily that negative. When authoritarians and bullies harm each other because of ethnicity it is good for the rest of humanity who are not interested in harming people who are simply less willing or capable of harming others.