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by Atheris » Sat Feb 06, 2021 8:46 pm
by Maluhiaa » Sat Feb 06, 2021 8:50 pm
Bombadil wrote:
..and these are the words of a teenage temper tantrum that comes shortly before slamming the bedroom door closed shouting 'you can't tell me what to do!'
by Albrenia » Sat Feb 06, 2021 8:52 pm
by Nejii » Sat Feb 06, 2021 9:12 pm
by Kexholm Karelia » Sat Feb 06, 2021 9:18 pm
Maluhiaa wrote:Velosia wrote:It’s reactions like this that make me think most people just assume ’free speech’ is merely another way of saying ’speech I agree with’. If you truly want a free society, you have to be prepared to tolerate the intolerant. Anything else would be censorship which is, by definition, incompatible with the concept of free speech.
Are you familiar with the paradox of intolerance? Perhaps not a truly "free" society... but a truly tolerant one.
by Cordel One » Sat Feb 06, 2021 9:26 pm
TURTLESHROOM II wrote:As for the Twitter, I agreed with the "private company private rules" spiel until I watched the Parler get purged by Amazon and read about the Times Magazine confessing there was indeed a massive conspiracy and cabal to destroy Trump. (You can read the original confession here.)
Trust-busting and opposition to monopolization are not anti-capitalist. Only a natural monopoly (such as Google) can exist without government intervention, and even then, the natural monopoly uses Regulatory Capture to secure itself. Adam Smith himself believed that breaking monopolies was true to the spirit of competition, which is the bedrock of capitalism.
A telephone cannot disconnect you from using their service just because you happened to say the N-word over their lines. Public utilities are such because their existence is so universal, and so vital to the public discourse, that failing to prevent them from denying service to everyone and everything would cause such great isolation and harm that it is just that, literally an utility.
There are nine companies that own almost all communications in America, a whopping ninety percent.
Of these, eight are leftist: General Electric (Comcast/NBC/MSNBC/Universal Studios), Disney (ABC/ESPN), Viacom, Time Warner (CNN/HBO/Time Magazine/Warner Brothers), CBS, Amazon, Google, and the Facebook.
Only one is rightist: little (by comparison) News Corporation, the master of Fox and Wall Street Journal, as well as irrelevant radio firms. Who listens to Rush Limbaugh anyway?
The Facebook, the Twitter, and Google, combined, own all widespread social media and mass media platforms on the Internet, including everything from Youtube to Instagram, and the flagship services themselves.
Bit Chute and AOL? LOL, who?
One hundred percent of the major Internet social media platforms are extremely left-leaning and have consistently, and demonstrably, suppressed right-wing thought of all stripes.
This means that one political idelogy controls nearly all institutional power in corporate America. This ideology has confessed to its total control over American communications and culture and its successful attempt to organize and destroy the American right, manifested the most in Donald Trump.
Google and friends have used their power to manipulate elections. A poll asking about this stated that a whopping five percent of Biden voters would have not voted Biden (but not necessarily Trump) if they knew about Biden's various scandals. Up to a third of those surveyed hadn't even heard them mentioned.
Five percent may not sound like much, but if those five percent all voted Trump, he would have won in an Electoral College landslide. Again, those five percent said they would not vote Biden if given that information, as opposed to voting Trump, so Trump could still have lost.
This trend needs to stop,a nd every leftist that says it's okay would never say the same if it was in reverse.
Like telephone lines, social media are public utilities and should be regulated as such.
* = Sadly, this also leads to situations where Russians will commit acts of violence against innocent people afflicted with mental illnesses, such as Gender Identity Disorder, or deviant sexual behaviors. Physical violence against such people is both a sin and an abomination.
by Cordel One » Sat Feb 06, 2021 9:27 pm
by Nilokeras » Sat Feb 06, 2021 9:33 pm
The Sovereign Realist State wrote:then old ladies are not visited or fined by the police for offensive facebook posts concerning trans people either...
by Kexholm Karelia » Sat Feb 06, 2021 9:36 pm
Nejii wrote:I mean... Parler being taken down was a bit of a cheap shot. Granted JM painted a target on his platform’s back for not enacting stricter moderation. They all hated Twitter so they jumped on Parler, Parler then got took offline. I can understand that the moderate right might feel like their first amendment rights are being spit on. I mean you already had Facebook deleting peoples accounts and their posts and labeling them as “misinformation” when some of it was as simple as sharing other’s posts or in other cases it wasn’t false information.
That said, the US and the west overall is still going strong on first amendment rights.
by Nilokeras » Sat Feb 06, 2021 9:39 pm
Kexholm Karelia wrote:Nejii wrote:I mean... Parler being taken down was a bit of a cheap shot. Granted JM painted a target on his platform’s back for not enacting stricter moderation. They all hated Twitter so they jumped on Parler, Parler then got took offline. I can understand that the moderate right might feel like their first amendment rights are being spit on. I mean you already had Facebook deleting peoples accounts and their posts and labeling them as “misinformation” when some of it was as simple as sharing other’s posts or in other cases it wasn’t false information.
That said, the US and the west overall is still going strong on first amendment rights.
The left: "Private property should be abolished!"
Also the left: "It’s a private company deal with it lol"
by Cordel One » Sat Feb 06, 2021 9:41 pm
Kexholm Karelia wrote:Nejii wrote:I mean... Parler being taken down was a bit of a cheap shot. Granted JM painted a target on his platform’s back for not enacting stricter moderation. They all hated Twitter so they jumped on Parler, Parler then got took offline. I can understand that the moderate right might feel like their first amendment rights are being spit on. I mean you already had Facebook deleting peoples accounts and their posts and labeling them as “misinformation” when some of it was as simple as sharing other’s posts or in other cases it wasn’t false information.
That said, the US and the west overall is still going strong on first amendment rights.
The left: "Private property should be abolished!"
Also the left: "It’s a private company deal with it lol"
by Borderlands of Rojava » Sat Feb 06, 2021 9:45 pm
by Borderlands of Rojava » Sat Feb 06, 2021 9:48 pm
TURTLESHROOM II wrote:Bombadil wrote:Sure it was, Trump invited everyone over for the 6th long in advance having fuelled hysteria over a stolen election for two months.. it didn't just occur out of context.
Donald Trump is accused of intentionally commanding them to attack the Capitol or having caused the attack indirectly on that day. The unconstitutional Bill of Attainder trial (NOT EVEN PRESIDED OVER BY THE CHIEF JUSTICE) in the Senate is accusing him of exactly that.
If the attack was planned- and it was -then Trump cannot possibly have ordered it to happen. The bombs were placed the day before.
As for the electoral fraud: the governors of several states magically waved away state laws to allow for a flood of ballots without security checks. They did this without the consent of the state legislatures (either because the law allowed them to or the law never said they couldn't), which is unconstitutional.
Furthermore, Dominion and Smartmatic in particular were recipients of a letter by ELIZABETH WARREN[B] (found here) that accused them of cutting corners in terms of the securing of the voting machine tabulation software from vulnerabilities, like hacking and incorrect registring of votes.
Smartmatic assisted the Chavez regime in its voting tabulation, where mass fraud was conducted.
Lastly, in my home state of Georgia, people pretended that a water main break occurred in the Forsyth ballot counting centers in the Falcons Stadium, but it was actually a cracked pipe that didn't even need a plumber's invoice.
During that period, we have [b]time-stamped video evidence of ballot counting continuing in the building. Poll workers, during the period the water main was supposedly stopping the counting, continued counting ballots the entire time.
Couple that with the literal stoppage of ballot counts in Pennsylvania and several other states around 1:00 AM on Election Day, which I personally witnessed for two hours before hitting the sack in sadness, and you have reasonable doubt that the ballots were counted without issue.
Does that mean Trump was cheated out of an election? I can't prove that. -but I can show that Biden's win was not beyond a reasonable doubt.
Even if there wasn't enough fraud to flip it, the governors changing state law with a flip of the wrist is a terminal threat to our democratic republic and eliminates the necessary safeguards designed to prevent these issues from happening to begin with.
by Kexholm Karelia » Sat Feb 06, 2021 10:01 pm
by Bombadil » Sat Feb 06, 2021 10:07 pm
by Infected Mushroom » Sat Feb 06, 2021 10:07 pm
by Picairn » Sat Feb 06, 2021 10:21 pm
Infected Mushroom wrote:National security is more important than free speech. It has always been. Free speech isn’t as important as security.
by Albrenia » Sat Feb 06, 2021 10:38 pm
by Engadine Mcdonalds 1997 » Sat Feb 06, 2021 10:58 pm
by Eahland » Sun Feb 07, 2021 12:04 am
by Arthenius » Sun Feb 07, 2021 12:54 am
by Albrenia » Sun Feb 07, 2021 1:06 am
Arthenius wrote:The problem is the hypocritical double standard. A certain group of people, usually "progressives" feel that Trump or anybody else they disagree with can be banned from platforms they run, and that lumping potentially more people than necessary as "domestic terrorists" is justified, but if it were done by the right back toward the left they would scream "traitor". It is all social and political bunkum.
by Nilokeras » Sun Feb 07, 2021 1:10 am
Arthenius wrote:but if it were done by the right back toward the left they would scream "traitor". It is all social and political bunkum.
by The Lone Alliance » Sun Feb 07, 2021 2:23 am
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