Freedom of speech // Is the West falling behind?

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

Skokie?

Nazis. In Skokie, Illinois

See also: National Socialist Party of America v. Village of Skokie

Ah ok ty for clearing that up

[Cultural Posadism]

This is cancel culture at its finest.

Oh, what a completely meaningless phrase.

For all their talk about how the left made words like "racism" and "bigotry" meaningless, right-wingers have managed to turn "cancel culture" into an excessively vague and functionally useless category in record time.

[Glorious Hong Kong]

Also a reminder that the one time right-wing users actually heeded the advice of leftists and migrated to their own right-wing echo chamber en masse, that platform was taken offline. The "private company" argument only works up to a point.

If only the right had taken steps to limit the rights of corporations to deny service...

On the upside, the echo chamber is already back. Thanks to Russia, which is delicious irony.

Not quite.

They wouldn't have to rely on questionable Russian servers if Amazon hadn't dropped them.

Either Big Tech is broken up, or social media platforms are deemed as essential public utilities just like electric, water, and telecoms companies and legally barred from censoring users and content.

[Cultural Posadism]

Given that this is a convo I had on twitter, I'd say yes.

Me: I like the Queen
User: No you can't, she's bad
Me: What is this, 1984?
User: No, if it were 1984, then you wouldn't be allowed to have an opinion

The user was in fact correct, and you can't tell the difference between a disagreement and censorship.

I feel like a lot of English-speaking folks online have a very sheltered, abstract idea of what political repression is actually like. You guys have been playing politics on easy mode for decades but you seem to obsessed with pretending it's actually nightmare mode.

However, there should be restrictions about what is and isn't deemed offensive.

Restrictions imposed by whom?

[Cultural Posadism]

Either Big Tech is broken up, or social media platforms are deemed as essential public utilities just like electric, water, and telecoms companies and legally barred from censoring users and content.

Legally barred by whom? Would you place those platforms exclusively in the hands of the American government?

Also, does that mean you would have such platforms barred from taking down, say, child pornography, intimidation and conspiracies to commit crimes?

[Galloism]

Skokie?

Nazis. In Skokie, Illinois

See also: National Socialist Party of America v. Village of Skokie

[Cultural Posadism]

Nazis. In Skokie, Illinois

See also: National Socialist Party of America v. Village of Skokie

I can't believe those damn Hollywood SJWs put antifa thugs in my wholesome blues movie

[Cultural Posadism]

Once again, I find it funny (but also sad) that right-wingers only figured out that life under capitalism is authoritarian even with liberal laws when it started to impact their ability to organize their authoritarian hate groups online. Two centuries of increasingly tyrannical businessowners openly abusing their employees and customers with impunity weren't enough of a hint.

[My Political Fantasy]

I for one do not have a siege mentality when it comes to free speech

Don't worry, it is too ingrained in western societies to completely die.

[Kexholm Karelia]

Once again, I find it funny (but also sad) that right-wingers only figured out that life under capitalism is authoritarian even with liberal laws when it started to impact their ability to organize their authoritarian hate groups online. Two centuries of increasingly tyrannical businessowners openly abusing their employees and customers with impunity weren't enough of a hint.

#Walkaway, what an evil hate group!

[Cultural Posadism]

Once again, I find it funny (but also sad) that right-wingers only figured out that life under capitalism is authoritarian even with liberal laws when it started to impact their ability to organize their authoritarian hate groups online. Two centuries of increasingly tyrannical businessowners openly abusing their employees and customers with impunity weren't enough of a hint.

#Walkaway, what an evil hate group!

#Walkaway? Ah, you mean the right-wing astroturf that's just as much of a scam as #NeverTrump Republicans are?

[The Reformed American Republic]

Once again, I find it funny (but also sad) that right-wingers only figured out that life under capitalism is authoritarian even with liberal laws when it started to impact their ability to organize their authoritarian hate groups online. Two centuries of increasingly tyrannical businessowners openly abusing their employees and customers with impunity weren't enough of a hint.

#Walkaway, what an evil hate group!

Not a hate group, but an example of fake populism and austroturfing. Unfortunately, typical politics here in the United States.

[Kexholm Karelia]

#Walkaway, what an evil hate group!

#Walkaway? Ah, you mean the right-wing astroturf that's just as much of a scam as #NeverTrump Republicans are?

Don’t move the goalposts, your post implied that all right wing activities getting banned were hateful, yet stuff like #Walkaway and the March for Life was by no means a hate movement

[Ifreann]

Once again, I find it funny (but also sad) that right-wingers only figured out that life under capitalism is authoritarian even with liberal laws when it started to impact their ability to organize their authoritarian hate groups online. Two centuries of increasingly tyrannical businessowners openly abusing their employees and customers with impunity weren't enough of a hint.

Everything they fear about communism keeps happening under capitalism.

[The Alma Mater]

If only the right had taken steps to limit the rights of corporations to deny service...

On the upside, the echo chamber is already back. Thanks to Russia, which is delicious irony.

Not quite.

They wouldn't have to rely on questionable Russian servers if Amazon hadn't dropped them.

Either Big Tech is broken up, or social media platforms are deemed as essential public utilities just like electric, water, and telecoms companies and legally barred from censoring users and content.

You mean what certain people have been arguing for literally *decades* but was always called AN ATTACK ON THE FREE MARKET by the people who are now censored by it - after them laughing loudly every time a leftist was banned ?

Yes. Schadenfreude moment.

But you are ofc right. Or left, in this case.

[NorthTexas]

America refuses to assess that mass media platforms such as twitter, facebook, youtube, etc. and their hold on peoples lives. Media can have just as big of an impact on peoples lives and corporations (big or small) as the government does. It is almost impossible to determine the truth behind anything in todays world, people want to blame the government for not regulating these media platforms but I believe that those media platforms can post or take down anything they want it is there company and there servers after all, I believe that the problem is with everyday people, people have become so stupid and like sheep to the media, I personally don't have any social media accounts and whenever I hear problems like this come up where so and so's post got taken down and so and so's a terrible person for saying something I can't help but laugh at the media outlet, the person who posted, and the person complaining about the post. Words only have as much power as you give them, there aren't any facts on social media anymore, nothing said about anyone is true, and everything gets so twisted that what started as words with little meaning become twisted into someone being racists, sexist, immature, or a terrible person with the person not have meant anything by it. Why do people give such care to what a person in Europe or someone across the country thinks about them when if you just turned off your phone you would never have to worry about hearing from them ever again. Today's media is a social problem not a government one.

[Cultural Posadism]

#Walkaway? Ah, you mean the right-wing astroturf that's just as much of a scam as #NeverTrump Republicans are?

Don’t move the goalposts, your post implied that all right wing activities getting banned were hateful, yet stuff like #Walkaway and the March for Life was by no means a hate movement

Actually, now that I think about it... yeah, they are. They both are. It just so happens that #Walkaway is also beyond astroturfed.

[Kexholm Karelia]

Don’t move the goalposts, your post implied that all right wing activities getting banned were hateful, yet stuff like #Walkaway and the March for Life was by no means a hate movement

Actually, now that I think about it... yeah, they are. They both are. It just so happens that #Walkaway is also beyond astroturfed.

I assume you have a very broad definition of what counts as "hate" then?

How are any of these movements hateful? What hate do they propagate, hatred against Democrats?

[Cultural Posadism]

Actually, now that I think about it... yeah, they are. They both are. It just so happens that #Walkaway is also beyond astroturfed.

I assume you have a very broad definition of what counts as "hate" then?

The American "pro-life" movement is a Christian fundamentalist front whose dogma is firmly rooted in a very reactionary view of gender, sexuality and personal freedom.

As for #Walkaway, the guy who claims to have started it all apparently did it because of a totally true story of how a homeless Hispanic guy screamed at him about his white privilege and punched him for not giving him money. And he now calls himself "redpilled". If you've spent any amount of time online since the mid-2010s, you know that the whole "redpill" ideology comes with a whole lot of weirdly bigoted garbage.

[Gravlen]

I assume you have a very broad definition of what counts as "hate" then?

The American "pro-life" movement is a Christian fundamentalist front whose dogma is firmly rooted in a very reactionary view of gender, sexuality and personal freedom.

As for #Walkaway, the guy who claims to have started it all apparently did it because of a totally true story of how a homeless Hispanic guy screamed at him about his white privilege and punched him for not giving him money. And he now calls himself "redpilled". If you've spent any amount of time online since the mid-2010s, you know that the whole "redpill" ideology comes with a whole lot of weirdly bigoted garbage.

The guy facing two felony counts for his part in the coup attempt, right?

[Cultural Posadism]

Oh, and the same alleged founder of #Walkaway is being investigated for his involvement in the Capitol coup lmao

So, yeah, pretty hateful people all around.

[Cultural Posadism]

The American "pro-life" movement is a Christian fundamentalist front whose dogma is firmly rooted in a very reactionary view of gender, sexuality and personal freedom.

As for #Walkaway, the guy who claims to have started it all apparently did it because of a totally true story of how a homeless Hispanic guy screamed at him about his white privilege and punched him for not giving him money. And he now calls himself "redpilled". If you've spent any amount of time online since the mid-2010s, you know that the whole "redpill" ideology comes with a whole lot of weirdly bigoted garbage.

The guy facing two felony counts for his part in the coup attempt, right?

Yep, just saw it.

Oh, and the same alleged founder of #Walkaway is being investigated for his involvement in the Capitol coup lmao

So, yeah, pretty hateful people all around.

[Kexholm Karelia]

I assume you have a very broad definition of what counts as "hate" then?

The American "pro-life" movement is a Christian fundamentalist front whose dogma is firmly rooted in a very reactionary view of gender, sexuality and personal freedom.

Which is untrue because of the amount of secular pro lifers, and the primary motivation of the movement being an anti abortion movement. Big stretch to call it a hateful movement

As for #Walkaway, the guy who claims to have started it all apparently did it because of a totally true story of how a homeless Hispanic guy screamed at him about his white privilege and punched him for not giving him money. And he now calls himself "redpilled". If you've spent any amount of time online since the mid-2010s, you know that the whole "redpill" ideology comes with a whole lot of weirdly bigoted garbage.

So your train of thought is, because the original founder of the movement was "redpilled," despite having no hateful practices or views, that the movement as a whole is hateful and deserves to be banned from twitter for being so hateful? First of all, "redpill" is a meme-ish term on the right, and it represents people going along with holier-than-thou liberal media narratives until coming to a realization that they’re bullshit.

Big stretch to say that’s bigoted

[Vassenor]

The American "pro-life" movement is a Christian fundamentalist front whose dogma is firmly rooted in a very reactionary view of gender, sexuality and personal freedom.

Which is untrue because of the amount of secular pro lifers, and the primary motivation of the movement being an anti abortion movement. Big stretch to call it a hateful movement

As for #Walkaway, the guy who claims to have started it all apparently did it because of a totally true story of how a homeless Hispanic guy screamed at him about his white privilege and punched him for not giving him money. And he now calls himself "redpilled". If you've spent any amount of time online since the mid-2010s, you know that the whole "redpill" ideology comes with a whole lot of weirdly bigoted garbage.

So your train of thought is, because the original founder of the movement was "redpilled," despite having no hateful practices or views, that the movement as a whole is hateful and deserves to be banned from twitter for being so hateful? First of all, "redpill" is a meme-ish term on the right, and it represents people going along with holier-than-thou liberal media narratives until coming to a realization that they’re bullshit.

Big stretch to say that’s bigoted

So what does Redpilling actually refer to?

[The Holy Therns]

Until news channels start posting their content exclusively on social media, no, social media is not a public good that needs to be free from censorship. That's ridiculous.