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Which are the 3 closest Chinese friends?

Russia (often stands with China in the UN, various huge trade, infrastructure, resource and technology exchanges on-going)
50
25%
North Korea (has a formal defense agreement with China, China helped North Korea during the Korean War)
50
25%
Vietnam (ideologically declared Communist)
4
2%
Laos
6
3%
Cambodia
8
4%
Myanmar (traditionally a huge trade partner, not sure about the effects of the coup)
7
4%
Pakistan (China has traditionally backed Pakistan against India)
43
22%
The Philippines (huge trade partner)
6
3%
USA (despite the rhetoric, the USA is still the top market for Chinese exports by far)
10
5%
Other
15
8%
 
Total votes : 199

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Postby Dowaesk » Sat Feb 06, 2021 3:07 am

An Alan Smithee Nation wrote:Russia, Pakistan, Iran, Turkey


Nah. Turkey-China relations aren't all that well. Especially when it comes to the Uyghurs.
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Postby Dowaesk » Sat Feb 06, 2021 3:10 am

As per me. China's best friends would be:
1- North Korea
2- Myanmar

Bonus:
3- Communos (not a country)
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Postby An Alan Smithee Nation » Sat Feb 06, 2021 3:18 am

Nekostan-e Sharqi wrote:China, by definition, can not have friends


What definition?
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Postby Dowaesk » Sat Feb 06, 2021 3:21 am

An Alan Smithee Nation wrote:
Nekostan-e Sharqi wrote:China, by definition, can not have friends


What definition?


Probably implying that China is pure evil. :eyebrow:
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Postby Nekostan-e Sharqi » Sat Feb 06, 2021 3:21 am

An Alan Smithee Nation wrote:
Nekostan-e Sharqi wrote:China, by definition, can not have friends


What definition?

The definition of China as Qin and its successor states.

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Postby An Alan Smithee Nation » Sat Feb 06, 2021 3:46 am

Nekostan-e Sharqi wrote:
An Alan Smithee Nation wrote:
What definition?

The definition of China as Qin and its successor states.


Do expand on that as to how that means China can have no friends. Why not quote some actual wording that expresses that sentiment. You know something that shows you didn't just pull this out of your ass because you thought it sounded good.
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Postby The Blaatschapen » Sat Feb 06, 2021 4:13 am

Chinas best friend is the USA.

It has been that way since the USA is instrumental in the defense of the ROC.
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Postby Comerciante » Sat Feb 06, 2021 4:35 am

No state has friends.

All states do have shared interests that will at least propel them to act in such away that can be construed as friendship. At best we can list nations that have a vested interest in keeping China around then seeing them gone, all we have to do is look at how many companies rely on Chinese markets, and where those companies come from.
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Postby The New California Republic » Sat Feb 06, 2021 4:44 am

Lol China and Vietnam aren't friends. They have been at loggerheads for over 40 years.
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Postby Heloin » Sat Feb 06, 2021 4:53 am

Pakistan and that's it. Cambodia prefers China to Vietnam every other day, North Korea is hates China the least of everyone on earth, and that you'd even think Vietnam could be an option screams wonders to your understanding of the politics of the region.

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Postby Radiatia » Sat Feb 06, 2021 4:54 am

I would struggle to name a country that's actually friends with China. Even Russia is more of an uneasy truce than an actual friend - there are ongoing border disputes between the two that could erupt at any moment.

Maybe Laos? I don't know much about Laos but I do know that everyone else in the region (including Vietnam) are not fond of China.

North Korea probably to an extent, but that's more because they depend on China to keep existing.

Now that I think about it, even China isn't friends with China. Large parts of the country are illegally occupied (Tibet), being actively genocided in order to prevent secession (East Turkestan) or are being overrun in contravention of international agreements (Hong Kong).

I was going to mention Taiwan but China's claim over them would be like me putting on a hat and claiming it's part of my head.
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Postby Old Tyrannia » Sat Feb 06, 2021 5:42 am

Countries don't have "friends." They have, at best, long-term alliances of convenience based on shared or compatible geopolitical interests. In China's case, it has reasonably stable alliances with Russia, Iran, North Korea, Pakistan and a few other countries, but it would be a mistake to assume there is any sense of camaraderie or mutual affection between China and those countries. Those relationships are maintained only by the existence of mutual geopolitical rivals like the US in the case of Russia and Iran and India in the case of Pakistan. In the case of Russia there is actually a fair amount of tension over disputed borders. Speak to Russian people and you'll find that they often have strongly negative attitudes towards the Chinese, moreso even than towards Americans. And as many others have pointed out in this thread already, including Vietnam in the poll is quite out of touch with reality given Vietnam is possibly the most anti-Chinese of all China's neighbours, and in fact the relationship between the two has been strained at best since the Sino-Soviet split.
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Postby Austria-Bohemia-Hungary » Sat Feb 06, 2021 5:50 am

Old Tyrannia wrote:And as many others have pointed out in this thread already, including Vietnam in the poll is quite out of touch with reality given Vietnam is possibly the most anti-Chinese of all China's neighbours, and in fact the relationship between the two has been strained at best since the Sino-Soviet split.

Make it since at least the Qin dynasty. Sino-Vietnamese relations for most of history has been basically that of a coloniser and colonised, interrupted briefly only by the happenstance of the invasion of an enemy they both disliked (America).
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China's best friends scare me. North Korea especially.
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Postby North Cromch » Sat Feb 06, 2021 12:27 pm

Which China are we talking about?

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Postby Miku the Based » Sat Feb 06, 2021 12:35 pm

Wanted to vote for all of them. Tough love and all of that.

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Postby Cordel One » Sat Feb 06, 2021 12:37 pm

China's not really friendly with any other countries, even its allies.

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Postby Infected Mushroom » Sat Feb 06, 2021 8:53 pm

What about Central Asia?

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Infected Mushroom wrote:What about Central Asia?

What about Nepal?

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Postby An Alan Smithee Nation » Sun Feb 07, 2021 3:50 am

Dowaesk wrote:
An Alan Smithee Nation wrote:Russia, Pakistan, Iran, Turkey


Nah. Turkey-China relations aren't all that well. Especially when it comes to the Uyghurs.


Guess who Turkey are relying on to supply nearly all their covid vaccines.
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Postby Infected Mushroom » Sun Feb 07, 2021 4:09 am

An Alan Smithee Nation wrote:
Dowaesk wrote:
Nah. Turkey-China relations aren't all that well. Especially when it comes to the Uyghurs.


Guess who Turkey are relying on to supply nearly all their covid vaccines.


Is it... China?

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Postby Adamede » Sun Feb 07, 2021 8:39 am

Countries don’t have friends, they have allies.

Although North Korea is kinda like China’s rabid dog they keep chained in the backyard and everyone else is afraid of.

Also Vietnam and China are NOT allies. China literally invaded Vietnam right after the Americans left.
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Postby Adamede » Sun Feb 07, 2021 8:41 am

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Infected Mushroom wrote:I would go with Russia, North Korea, and Pakistan in that order. Russia because of the close cooperation in the UN and in natural resources; also, both are ideologically anti-imperial. North Korea because of the mutual defense understandings, and then Pakistan. I picked Pakistan as 3 because throughout most of the Cold War and even to now, I don’t think China and Pakistan have Had any major disagreements.

> Russia: annexes Crimea, intervenes in Syria, inserts troops into Eastern Ukraine.

> China: aggressively ramps up island-building projects in South China Sea, installs military bases and civilian towns on islands, border conflicts with India, debt-trap diplomacy in Africa.

So anti-imperial. Lmao. More like anti-West and pro-their-own-imperialism.

Remember, it’s only imperialism if Western nations do it.

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Postby The Blaatschapen » Sun Feb 07, 2021 8:47 am

Adamede wrote:
Picairn wrote:> Russia: annexes Crimea, intervenes in Syria, inserts troops into Eastern Ukraine.

> China: aggressively ramps up island-building projects in South China Sea, installs military bases and civilian towns on islands, border conflicts with India, debt-trap diplomacy in Africa.

So anti-imperial. Lmao. More like anti-West and pro-their-own-imperialism.

Remember, it’s only imperialism if Western nations do it.


It's only imperialism if it is from the imperialism region in France.

Otherwise it's just sparkling empire building.
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Postby Adamede » Sun Feb 07, 2021 8:50 am

The Blaatschapen wrote:
Adamede wrote:Remember, it’s only imperialism if Western nations do it.


It's only imperialism if it is from the imperialism region in France.

Otherwise it's just sparkling empire building.

But professional empire builders are unable to tell the difference in blind colonization tests!

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