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Postby Glorious Hong Kong » Fri Feb 05, 2021 10:20 am

Indonesia bans forced religious attire in schools

Indonesia has banned public schools from making religious attire compulsory, after the story of a Christian student being pressured to wear a headscarf in class went viral.

The 16-year-old girl was attending a school that had a rule that all students had to wear the Muslim headscarf.

The government has given schools 30 days to revoke any existing rules.

Indonesia, a Muslim-majority country, officially recognises other religions.

But there are growing concerns about rising religious intolerance.

The ban was signed into decree on Wednesday, and schools which do not comply may face sanctions.

Indonesia's Minister for Education and Culture Nadiem Makarim said the choice of wearing religious attire was "an individual's right… it is not the school's decision".
'Where are my religious rights?'

The issue captured national attention in recent weeks after a student from a Christian family who was attending a vocational school in Padang was repeatedly asked to wear a Muslim headscarf in class in January.

She refused, and her parents were called in to speak to school officials.

Her parents secretly filmed a video of the meeting and posted it on social media, which prompted a backlash online.

In the video, the official insisted that the school had a rule that all female students, including non-Muslims, must wear the headscarf according to school rules.

"Almost every day, my daughter has been summoned for not wearing a headscarf, and her answer is that she is not Muslim," Elianu Hia, the father of the girl, told BBC News Indonesia.

"If I (force) my daughter to wear the headscarf, I will be lying about my daughter's identity," Mr Hia added. "Where are my religious rights? This is a public school after all."

The school's principal later apologised at a press conference and said the student would be allowed to dress according to her own religious beliefs.

At a media briefing on the decree on Wednesday, religious affairs minister Yaqut Cholil Qoumas was quoted as saying: "Religions do not promote conflict, neither do they justify acting unfairly against those who are different."

Andreas Harsono, a researcher at Human Rights Watch, told Reuters news agency the decree was a positive step, given that schools in more than 20 provinces still make religious attire mandatory in their dress code.

"Many public schools require girls and female teachers to wear the hijab that too often prompt bullying, intimidation, social pressures, and in some cases, forced resignation," he said.

Indonesia is the world's largest Muslim-majority country, but it officially recognises six religions and has enshrined pluralism in the state philosophy known as Pancasila.


This is a terrific and highly encouraging development in a country where the scourge of radical Islam continues to hold considerable sway. But I'm also somewhat surprised given that this is the same country that saw Buddhist temples set on fire because one Chinese woman complained that the azan (call to prayer) was "too loud", and the then-Chinese Christian governor nicknamed Ahok was jailed on trumped-up blasphemy charges for stating that the Qur'an says absolutely nothing about Muslims being expressly forbidden from befriending non-Muslims (in other words, declaring Islam a religion of peace, which the Islamists apparently consider blasphemous). Hell, the Vice President of Indonesia is himself a radical Islamist and running mate of moderate pragmatist Jokowi, carefully selected in order to temper Islamist passions.

Imagine the Malaysian government imposing a similar ban. Imagine the Malaysian Education Minister taking such a courageous and principled stand in support of a Christian girl who has been so obviously wronged despite being Muslim himself. Imagine the school principal of a Malaysian national school "apologizing" to the girl and her parents. This would be unthinkable.

Islam officially reigns supreme in Malaysia and woe betide anyone who would dare to mount such an open and brazen challenge against the status quo under pain of a lengthy jail term for the "crime" of "sedition" and "insulting Islam". The cowards and charlatans who run this country would never allow their sacred religion to be "disrespected" in such a blatant manner. Pandering to Islamist snowflakes, clinging on to executive power they never earned and We the People never voted for, and holding back human progress is our unelected, backdoor government's number one priority.

Thoughts? What do you think of Indonesia's decision to ban schools from compelling non-Muslim students to dress as Muslims do? Does Indonesia stands a better chance of defeating radical Islam than Malaysia does? Can radical Islam even be defeated at all?
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Postby TURTLESHROOM II » Fri Feb 05, 2021 10:26 am

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This is an exciting development and one wholly unexpected on my end. Non-Muslims should not be made to wear the garb and dress of idolaters.
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Postby Greater Cesnica » Fri Feb 05, 2021 10:28 am

What is your definition of 'radical Islam'?
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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Fri Feb 05, 2021 10:28 am

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Postby Greater Cesnica » Fri Feb 05, 2021 10:30 am

TURTLESHROOM II wrote:of idolaters.

Nice terminology you got there.
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Postby Ifreann » Fri Feb 05, 2021 10:32 am

TURTLESHROOM II wrote:ABSOLUTE CHAD.

This is an exciting development and one wholly unexpected on my end. Non-Muslims should not be made to wear the garb and dress of idolaters.

So would you be of the opinion that school children should be allowed to wear whatever they want?
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Postby Vivolkha » Fri Feb 05, 2021 10:32 am

Greater Cesnica wrote:What is your definition of 'radical Islam'?

Indonesia does have a problem with radical Islamism, not in the form of terrorism, but in the form of violent mobs. Which makes this quite a surprising and positive development.
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Postby Novo Portugal » Fri Feb 05, 2021 10:32 am

Good decision and a good move by Indonesia.
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Postby Adamede » Fri Feb 05, 2021 10:33 am

TURTLESHROOM II wrote:ABSOLUTE CHAD.

This is an exciting development and one wholly unexpected on my end. Non-Muslims should not be made to wear the garb and dress of idolaters.

What idol to Muslims worship specifically?

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Postby Greater Cesnica » Fri Feb 05, 2021 10:33 am

Vivolkha wrote:
Greater Cesnica wrote:What is your definition of 'radical Islam'?

Indonesia does have a problem with radical Islamism, not in the form of terrorism, but in the form of violent mobs. Which makes this quite a surprising and positive development.

I'm just curious what GHK's definition is.
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Postby A-Series-Of-Tubes » Fri Feb 05, 2021 10:35 am

The idea of any edict from Jogjakarta having influence beyond Java itself, is rather laughable.

Good intentions though. Nothing wrong with that. "Bring it on".
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Postby Vivolkha » Fri Feb 05, 2021 10:36 am

I'm wondering though if this regulation will be enforced effectively.
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Postby A-Series-Of-Tubes » Fri Feb 05, 2021 10:37 am

Vivolkha wrote:
Greater Cesnica wrote:What is your definition of 'radical Islam'?

Indonesia does have a problem with radical Islamism, not in the form of terrorism, but in the form of violent mobs. Which makes this quite a surprising and positive development.


Given recent events in the US, we may have to reclassify "violent mobs" as terrorism.
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Postby The Restored Danelaw » Fri Feb 05, 2021 10:42 am

Great news. I have to wonder whether it applies to Muslims or are they still forced to wear religious attire.
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Postby Greater Cesnica » Fri Feb 05, 2021 10:43 am

The Restored Danelaw wrote:Great news. I have to wonder whether it applies to Muslims or are they still forced to wear religious attire.

I believe it would apply to Muslims too.
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Glorious Hong Kong wrote:But I'm also somewhat surprised given that this is the same country that saw Buddhist temples set on fire because one Chinese woman complained that the azan (call to prayer) was "too loud", and the then-Chinese Christian governor nicknamed Ahok was jailed on trumped-up blasphemy charges for stating that the Qur'an says absolutely nothing about Muslims being expressly forbidden from befriending non-Muslims (in other words, declaring Islam a religion of peace, which the Islamists apparently consider blasphemous).

While religion may play into this, there's also a history of anti-Chinese discrimination and violence in Indonesia. Indonesia is also them home of Islam Nusantara, a departure from a more Arab-centric/Global Islam that is actually quite moderate, anti-radical, and tolerant. I am aware that not everyone in Indonesia subscribes to this brand of Islam, but Indonesia is definitely not radically Islamic. Anti-sinitic? Yes. But not radically Islamic...

...except in Aceh. It's pretty bad in Aceh.
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Postby Cetacea » Fri Feb 05, 2021 11:29 am

Much respect to Indonesia, its truly great when a Leadership can put aside their own religious biases and make decisions of benefit to all of the nations citizens. Indonesia really is a beacon of what Islam can be when the Faith of its adherents is understood to be distinct from the culture of its nation.

Malaysia should learn to be more tolerant

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Postby The Mojave Expedition » Fri Feb 05, 2021 11:31 am

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TURTLESHROOM II wrote:ABSOLUTE CHAD.

This is an exciting development and one wholly unexpected on my end. Non-Muslims should not be made to wear the garb and dress of idolaters.

So would you be of the opinion that school children should be allowed to wear whatever they want?


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Postby Cetacea » Fri Feb 05, 2021 11:31 am

The Restored Danelaw wrote:Great news. I have to wonder whether it applies to Muslims or are they still forced to wear religious attire.


Muslims are NOT forced by the state (or its schools), Muslims make a choice to follow the trachings of their faith

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Postby Borderlands of Rojava » Fri Feb 05, 2021 11:33 am

Good. Forced religious attire is stupid.
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Postby Repubblica Fascista Sociale Italiana » Fri Feb 05, 2021 11:37 am

I’m surprised it existed in Indonesia anyways, considering Indonesia is a multi religious society unlike, say, Malaysia which is officially Islamic
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Repubblica Fascista Sociale Italiana wrote:I’m surprised it existed in Indonesia anyways, considering Indonesia is a multi religious society unlike, say, Malaysia which is officially Islamic


Yeah I'm surprised too. I dated a girl from Indonesia and they didn't seem strictly muslim.
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Postby Arisyan » Fri Feb 05, 2021 11:44 am

Yay! this is both surprising and good at the same time. I hope other countries in that area follow suit too!
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A step towards the right direction.

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