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Postby A-Series-Of-Tubes » Sun Feb 07, 2021 6:21 am

Dumb Ideologies wrote:Ackshually it's fine because anyone living there should have just left if they disagreed rather than taking actions or stating opinions contrary to the sovereign company's ToS.


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Postby Lemmingry » Sun Feb 07, 2021 6:23 am

Can't believe they are turning Jennifer Government into a real thing, again.
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Postby Adamede » Sun Feb 07, 2021 8:36 am

Cetacea wrote:
Major-Tom wrote:Damn, aren't there dozens of dystopian novels warning against this aha.


You know Hershey in Pensylvania is a company town, specifically built to provide its employees with a better life than they had previously. Milton Hershey needed milk for his chocolate and employed farmers and their families, providing houses with indoor plumbing, warmth and security. He also build Hershey Park in order to entice tourist to visit the Chocolatetown.

Whatever you think of the product the town is hardly dystopian

And there plenty of company towns that turned out to be horrible shitshows.

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Postby Ethel mermania » Sun Feb 07, 2021 8:47 am

Adamede wrote:
Cetacea wrote:
You know Hershey in Pensylvania is a company town, specifically built to provide its employees with a better life than they had previously. Milton Hershey needed milk for his chocolate and employed farmers and their families, providing houses with indoor plumbing, warmth and security. He also build Hershey Park in order to entice tourist to visit the Chocolatetown.

Whatever you think of the product the town is hardly dystopian

And there plenty of company towns that turned out to be horrible shitshows.

Plenty of regular towns turned into horrible shit shows as well
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Postby Adamede » Sun Feb 07, 2021 8:48 am

Ethel mermania wrote:
Adamede wrote:And there plenty of company towns that turned out to be horrible shitshows.

Plenty of regular towns turned into horrible shit shows as well

Yah, doesn’t make company owned towns a good idea.

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Postby Ethel mermania » Sun Feb 07, 2021 8:55 am

Adamede wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:Plenty of regular towns turned into horrible shit shows as well

Yah, doesn’t make company owned towns a good idea.

It obivates the arguement you are making against them. NYC started as a company town till it grew into something else.

I am trying to figure out who would want to build a company town in this day and age that isn't doing resource extraction of some sort.
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Postby A-Series-Of-Tubes » Sun Feb 07, 2021 9:13 am

Ethel mermania wrote:
Adamede wrote:Yah, doesn’t make company owned towns a good idea.

It obivates the arguement you are making against them. NYC started as a company town till it grew into something else.

I am trying to figure out who would want to build a company town in this day and age that isn't doing resource extraction of some sort.


Even that. State government could (for a fee) grant them an exemption from state law. But that wouldn't save them from Federal law, which would put serious restrictions on their "resource extraction".

I think Nevada is fishing for vanity projects that will never make money: go broke just paying the interest on the upfront, then leave before they're thrown out, and the State government would get a quarter billion for nothing. Even one of those would be ... nice, for government.
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Postby Ethel mermania » Sun Feb 07, 2021 9:20 am

A-Series-Of-Tubes wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:It obivates the arguement you are making against them. NYC started as a company town till it grew into something else.

I am trying to figure out who would want to build a company town in this day and age that isn't doing resource extraction of some sort.


Even that. State government could (for a fee) grant them an exemption from state law. But that wouldn't save them from Federal law, which would put serious restrictions on their "resource extraction".

I think Nevada is fishing for vanity projects that will never make money: go broke just paying the interest on the upfront, then leave before they're thrown out, and the State government would get a quarter billion for nothing. Even one of those would be ... nice, for government.

Federal and state law dont go away, the enforcement locally becomes private. You have to build a town, put in roads, schools. Police, fire. Power, Etc. Unless you pulling a seam of copper out of the ground at that location,, why would you do it?

Edit: maybe you are right, vanity project.
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Postby Cordel One » Sun Feb 07, 2021 11:03 am

Ethel mermania wrote:
Adamede wrote:And there plenty of company towns that turned out to be horrible shitshows.

Plenty of regular towns turned into horrible shit shows as well

Regular towns are generally less corrupt.

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Postby The Reformed American Republic » Sun Feb 07, 2021 11:08 am

We should amend our constitution to prohibit this. Who's with me?
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Postby Ethel mermania » Sun Feb 07, 2021 11:19 am

Cordel One wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:Plenty of regular towns turned into horrible shit shows as well

Regular towns are generally less corrupt.

Not in this country.

That said,, It still is not an arguement against company towns.
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Postby The Reformed American Republic » Sun Feb 07, 2021 11:38 am

Ethel mermania wrote:
Cordel One wrote:Regular towns are generally less corrupt.

Not in this country.

That said,, It still is not an arguement against company towns.

The company controls all aspects of life there and it reminds people of the abuses of the guided age. I don't see how this is a good idea.
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Postby Arisyan » Sun Feb 07, 2021 11:40 am

this is literally Ancapistan tbh. Honestly, given how rural and unpopulated some counties are there an entire county could probably end up being controlled by a company.
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Postby Atheris » Sun Feb 07, 2021 11:44 am

The Reformed American Republic wrote:We should amend our constitution to prohibit this. Who's with me?

I'd like that.
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Postby Ethel mermania » Sun Feb 07, 2021 11:54 am

The Reformed American Republic wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:Not in this country.

That said,, It still is not an arguement against company towns.

The company controls all aspects of life there and it reminds people of the abuses of the guided age. I don't see how this is a good idea.

They don't control all aspects of life, they just provide all the services usually publicly provided. Murder for the company doesnt become sanctioned and child labor laws don't disappear. The folks living in Disney's town don't seem to mind.

I am not seeing it as a good idea either, but probably for different reasons.
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Postby Willtime » Tue Feb 09, 2021 1:21 am

Now companies can decide what is called as "work" and what is called as "live"?
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Postby Nejii » Tue Feb 09, 2021 1:30 am

The Reformed American Republic wrote:We should amend our constitution to prohibit this. Who's with me?


The reformation list for the Constitution is already lengthy though.
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Postby Old Zealand Founder » Tue Feb 09, 2021 1:30 am

Ethel mermania wrote:
The Reformed American Republic wrote:The company controls all aspects of life there and it reminds people of the abuses of the guided age. I don't see how this is a good idea.

They don't control all aspects of life, they just provide all the services usually publicly provided. Murder for the company doesnt become sanctioned and child labor laws don't disappear. The folks living in Disney's town don't seem to mind.

I am not seeing it as a good idea either, but probably for different reasons.

Isn't Celebration not owned by Disney anymore? Or is it still owned by them, just indirectly?

Also, private ownership of towns isn't new, and neither is it old-fashioned. While we're still in Florida, the town of Ave Maria is basically owned by a church.
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Postby Ethel mermania » Tue Feb 09, 2021 6:12 am

Old Zealand Founder wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:They don't control all aspects of life, they just provide all the services usually publicly provided. Murder for the company doesnt become sanctioned and child labor laws don't disappear. The folks living in Disney's town don't seem to mind.

I am not seeing it as a good idea either, but probably for different reasons.

Isn't Celebration not owned by Disney anymore? Or is it still owned by them, just indirectly?

Also, private ownership of towns isn't new, and neither is it old-fashioned. While we're still in Florida, the town of Ave Maria is basically owned by a church.

According to the wiki yes, Disney provides some utilities but its a normal town.
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Postby Unstoppable Empire of Doom » Tue Feb 09, 2021 7:07 am

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Postby Risottia » Tue Feb 09, 2021 7:31 am

Philjia wrote:Original article from the Associated Press.

Hey are you a tech company with a billion dollars? Why not buy 78 square miles of Nevada and found your own town, run by you?

Is not the exact thing that hack sci-fi writers have been warning us about for fucking decades?


No, it's the exact thing that the Middle Ages have been warning us about for fucking centuries.

Although it would be funny if the Windsors started buying back the Revolting Colonies.
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Postby Old Zealand Founder » Tue Feb 09, 2021 7:23 pm

Ethel mermania wrote:
Old Zealand Founder wrote:Isn't Celebration not owned by Disney anymore? Or is it still owned by them, just indirectly?

Also, private ownership of towns isn't new, and neither is it old-fashioned. While we're still in Florida, the town of Ave Maria is basically owned by a church.

According to the wiki yes, Disney provides some utilities but its a normal town.

I don't see too much issue with this then. It's just staff housing but with extra utilities - the government should provide education, but other utilities can be provided by the local government. Private-owned towns would most likely be built near a manufacturing plant or the like, so it would be practical that products would be from the company as well.
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Postby Zohiania » Tue Feb 09, 2021 7:30 pm

This reminds me of old company towns, which were terrible in terms of treatment to workers, and created actual wage slavery, however there are examples of cities in the world that developed in similar fashion to what they are attempting to do in Nevada. So it is really a hit or miss kind of of dilemma.
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Postby Old Zealand Founder » Tue Feb 09, 2021 7:34 pm

Zohiania wrote:This reminds me of old company towns, which were terrible in terms of treatment to workers, and created actual wage slavery, however there are examples of cities in the world that developed in similar fashion to what they are attempting to do in Nevada. So it is really a hit or miss kind of of dilemma.

Were the companies abusing their workers before they created the towns, or did it come as a power trip as sorts after having the workers live in the town?
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Postby Greater Cesnica » Tue Feb 09, 2021 9:11 pm

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Zohiania wrote:This reminds me of old company towns, which were terrible in terms of treatment to workers, and created actual wage slavery, however there are examples of cities in the world that developed in similar fashion to what they are attempting to do in Nevada. So it is really a hit or miss kind of of dilemma.

Were the companies abusing their workers before they created the towns, or did it come as a power trip as sorts after having the workers live in the town?

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