Should America have declared independence in hindsight?

[Kowani]

We may as well question whether or not every nation in the world deserves to exist.

the answer is no

[The Huskar Social Union]

Yes

What is independence in hindsight?

Why is Independence?

[Valrifell]

Yes

What is independence in hindsight?

Why is Independence?

Everyone always asks what is independence or why is independence, but nobody ever asks how is independence.

[Rezmaeristan]

The British giving us an MP would never have worked because of distance so absolutely yes.

[A z a n i a]

We may as well question whether or not every nation in the world deserves to exist.

the answer is no

Fuck it, one world. Dissolve all borders, all notions of race, of tribe, of creed, of difference. Henceforth, there shall only be one singular Human Identity!

[Trollzyn the Infinite]

the answer is no

Fuck it, one world. Dissolve all borders, all notions of race, of tribe, of creed, of difference. Henceforth, there shall only be one singular Human Identity!

Gene Roddenberry-pilled.

[Western Fardelshufflestein]

Yes

Why is Independence?

Everyone always asks what is independence or why is independence, but nobody ever asks how is independence.

F in the chat for the oft-ignored feelings of indepence.

To answer the topic question, HELL YES, BRÖTHER.

[Kowani]

the answer is no

Fuck it, one world. Dissolve all borders, all notions of race, of tribe, of creed, of difference. Henceforth, there shall only be one singular Human Identity!

preferably, yes

[Old Tyrannia]

No. Rebellion against a legitimate monarch is always a sin. The United States is a monument to man's hubristic rejection of God.

[Atheris]

the answer is no

Fuck it, one world. Dissolve all borders, all notions of race, of tribe, of creed, of difference. Henceforth, there shall only be one singular Human Identity!

g-globalism ew

[Routcher]

I do think we should have gone independent, but I think a Constitutional Monarchy would be better.

[Novo Portugal]

Based and edgy.




Honestly I think it was inevitable, It would have happen eventually.

Edginess by definition excludes any possibility of a take being "based".

In the words of DJ Khaled: "Congratulations, you played yourself."

I don't agree that they're mutually exclusive.

[Routcher]

No. Rebellion against a legitimate monarch is always a sin. The United States is a monument to man's hubristic rejection of God.

On the one hand, based.

On the other, I'm Catholic so, cringe.

[Western Fardelshufflestein]

No. Rebellion against a legitimate monarch is always a sin. The United States is a monument to man's hubristic rejection of God.

On the one hand, based.

On the other, I'm Catholic so, cringe.

CATHOLIC GANG!!

A constitutional monarchy in America would be fun....

[Atheris]

No. Rebellion against a legitimate monarch is always a sin. The United States is a monument to man's hubristic rejection of God.

If you consider the British Empire the epitome of Christendom then I sincerely question your idea of Christianity.

[Monsone]

Yes, the USA should have declared independence. Just not in the way it did. The USA should have gone down the commonwealth route, with a high degree of autonomy and independence from the UK, and remained a commonwealth until the middle of the 1800s. Only then should full independence be considered (in the 1850-1860 time period). Basically, a more drawn-out process of independence with the UK bankrolling the industrialization of the US, and solving many of the internal problems present in the nation at the time.

[Trollzyn the Infinite]

Smh people really still out stanning for gaudy dictators monarchs.

Hella cringe.

[Albrenia]

No. Rebellion against a legitimate monarch is always a sin. The United States is a monument to man's hubristic rejection of God.

Well now you're just making it sound cooler than it was.

[Old Tyrannia]

No. Rebellion against a legitimate monarch is always a sin. The United States is a monument to man's hubristic rejection of God.

If you consider the British Empire the epitome of Christendom then I sincerely question your idea of Christianity.

I don't see where I said the British Empire was the "epitome of Christendom." The New Testament commands Christians living in the Roman Empire at the time it was written to submit to the authority of the Roman emperors; unless you believe that ancient Rome was more "Christian" than 18th century Britain I don't see why British subjects would be any less bound to obey the legitimate authority of the Crown.

[Glorious Hong Kong]

We may as well question whether or not every nation in the world deserves to exist.

Just ask Nekostan or Insaanistan their thoughts about China or Israel. Their nation names both being Arabic and ending in -stan might have something to do with it.

This thread isn't intended to bash America. That would be China. I remain a huge supporter of America, its founding principles, and the larger Anglosphere at large. I'm of the opinion that, thanks to Britain and America, the English language has emerged to become the language of freedom and democracy, and any attack on the sanctity of the English language is therefore an assault on the fundamental principles of liberalism. I am proud to call myself a native English speaker despite my non-English or Anglophone heritage.

The English language, common law, and the Magna Carta all originated from somewhere. People often forget that the United States is the world's largest and most powerful former British colony. Imagine if Britain and America were closer to one another not just in spirit, but also in the letter of the law. Imagine an Anglophone federation comprising all the sovereign Dominions plus the United Kingdom and the United States. Imagine the Chinese and Russians cowering in abject fear at the might of the Holy Britannian Empire as it closes in on them and Hong Kong is eventually liberated from the clutches of imperial Communist rule and reverts to being a British colony once again, or becomes an independent Commonwealth country. Imagine democracy spreading once again to the four corners of the globe. I would LOVE to see such a scenario play out. It would be such a wonderful sight to behold.

"ALL HAIL BRITANNIA!"

- Emperor Charles di Britannia, Code Geass

[Atheris]

If you consider the British Empire the epitome of Christendom then I sincerely question your idea of Christianity.

I don't see where I said the British Empire was the "epitome of Christendom." The New Testament commands Christians living in the Roman Empire at the time it was written to submit to the authority of the Roman emperors; unless you believe that ancient Rome was more "Christian" than 18th century Britain I don't see why British subjects would be any less bound to obey the legitimate authority of the Crown.

The Crown's authority isn't legitimate. It's just a woman with a fancy title and a lucky birth.

[A z a n i a]

We may as well question whether or not every nation in the world deserves to exist.

Just ask Nekostan or Insaanistan their thoughts about China or Israel. Their nation names both being Arabic and ending in -stan might have something to do with it.

This thread isn't intended to bash America. That would be China. I remain a huge supporter of America, its founding principles, and the larger Anglosphere at large. I'm of the opinion that, thanks to Britain and America, the English language has emerged to become the language of freedom and democracy, and any attack on the sanctity of the English language is therefore an assault on the fundamental principles of liberalism. I am proud to call myself a native English speaker despite my non-English or Anglophone heritage.

The English language, common law, and the Magna Carta all originated from somewhere. People often forget that the United States is the world's largest and most powerful former British colony. Imagine if Britain and America were closer to one another not just in spirit, but also in the letter of the law. Imagine an Anglophone federation comprising all the sovereign Dominions plus the United Kingdom and the United States. Imagine the Chinese and Russians cowering in abject fear at the might of the Holy Britannian Empire as it closes in on them and Hong Kong is eventually liberated from the clutches of imperial Communist rule and reverts to being a British colony once again, or becomes an independent Commonwealth country. Imagine democracy spreading once again to the four corners of the globe. I would LOVE to see such a scenario play out. It would be such a wonderful sight to behold.

"ALL HAIL BRITANNIA!"

- Emperor Charles di Britannia, Code Geass

We in Africa view the the British Empire in a very different light.

The world doesn't need a Holy Britannian Empire to confront authoritarianism. Don't let your fixation of the British Empire cloud your common sense.

[Munkcestrian RepubIic]

No. Rebellion against a legitimate monarch is always a sin. The United States is a monument to man's hubristic rejection of God.

Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God. What makes your monarch legitimate?

The New Testament commands Christians living in the Roman Empire at the time it was written to submit to the authority of the Roman emperors

Why do you actually believe this?

[Western Fardelshufflestein]

I don't see where I said the British Empire was the "epitome of Christendom." The New Testament commands Christians living in the Roman Empire at the time it was written to submit to the authority of the Roman emperors; unless you believe that ancient Rome was more "Christian" than 18th century Britain I don't see why British subjects would be any less bound to obey the legitimate authority of the Crown.

The Crown's authority isn't legitimate. It's just a woman with a fancy title and a lucky birth.

Yes, but Elizabeth II is the DEPUTY IMMORTAL ANDROID, second-in-command only to ...KENNETH BRANAGH.

[Albrenia]

My takeaway from this is you think that the British should never have 'given' Hong Kong to the Chinese. I wholly agree.

The part about Holy British Empires and tea-sipping, gun-banning Americans has its appeal, but still nonsense.